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Stannis's situation was actually shown to be getting desperate; when Davos was going to see Shireen and give her the stag, we saw soldiers being cold, hungry, and shellshocked. I read the scene with Davos and Stannis as Davos asking three times for Shireen to be spared ("Someone else could go! I could take your family with me! I could take just Shireen with me!"), and then I guess he left hoping that Stannis would hold off until reinforcements arrived and then decide the sacrifice wasn't necessary. I would've liked to see Stannis sacrifice himself instead, but I don't think Shireen knew how to conduct a siege, I'm not sure "OK, so I'm going to kill myself and you guys will follow my daughter and Davos instead" would've worked, and I believe Melisandre thinks Stannis specifically is the chosen one so I don't think she would've liked that, either. I still... I mean, even before this episode he had had people killed and stuff, so it's not like he's a cool dude I'd like to have a beer with, but I still like him in the sense that I enjoy that type of character and I like the show more because of him. The perfect stealth raid by 20 good men was definitely dumb as hell, though. (Edit: And the combat roll, and the "HE'S ALSO A PEDOPHILE", and the infinite Harpies eventually remembering they had throwing spears and then only using them on the dragon...) I definitely think the Oberyn widow lady is up to something chatting with Jaime, possibly on orders from wheelchair prince guy. He hasn't said he doesn't want Oberyn avenged; he's said he doesn't want to go to war. Lemur Crisis fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Vintersorg posted:People need to stop projecting their stupid feelings on characters and acting like it's the most terrible poo poo in the world just because your little darling died or had bad things happen to em.  I am so sick of people coming into this thread who clearly don't know how to watch and criticize television.
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Jun 8, 2015 13:56
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WastedJoker posted:Dany just loving left the others behind, ffs. Tyrion will recruit the Sons of the Harpy and use them as his unstoppable army. They can kill the greatest swordsman and soldiers the world has ever seen with daggers, they'll take the Seven Kingdoms in a few weeks.
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Jun 8, 2015 13:57
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Pyzza Rouge posted:"Okay, you know what? This has to stop. I just got a script saying Ramsay rapeflays the Night's King. That's not even the worst part. When I grilled Dave about it, he told me he wouldn't change it because 'he would know'. So, starting today, Iwan Rheon and his crucifix are banned from the writers' room." But we were all starting to like him 
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Jun 8, 2015 14:02
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CeeJee posted:Tyrion will recruit the Sons of the Harpy and use them as his unstoppable army. They can kill the greatest swordsman and soldiers the world has ever seen with daggers, they'll take the Seven Kingdoms in a few weeks. I did like how Tyrion took Dario's neck-shanking advice to heart.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:02
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The Legend of Korra did the stadium ambush scene much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=RX3Jv3bvyrk#t=727 @12:17 At least you get to see where all the masks and weapons came from.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:08
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Dear D&D, Nobody cares about Ollie. Please stop include Ollie reaction shots in every episode. Please stop having scenes between Ollie and other characters. Ollie is Roz without the banging tits. In other words, he's worthless. Sincerely, Every Game of Thrones Fan in the World Jesto posted:The Legend of Korra did the stadium ambush scene much better. I was thinking about Korra when Dany and Missy held hands and was like, "on a shittier show, these two would be secret lesbians now."
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Jun 8, 2015 14:11
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hiddenmovement posted:I think Jerusalem said it last week, that next weeks episode, Mother's Mercy, will probably have Danny executing noble households publically. Arya doesn't have to steal a face. She doesn't even know how to put them on. She's just going to go do it rawdog.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:11
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Jesto posted:The Legend of Korra did the stadium ambush scene much better. That was dumb and it sucked and it wasn't good.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:14
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I thought it was dumb how Davos immediately deduced what Stannis' plan was with Shireen. How the hell did he figure it out by turning his head and looking at Melisandre?
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Jun 8, 2015 14:15
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Sheep-Goats posted:That was dumb and it sucked and it wasn't good. And yet still better than 'Surprise! Army of golden masked murderers with weapons everywhere, including right behind Daeny!' The entire ambush scene would've been redeemed if I saw Harpies pulling spears out of popcorn buckets.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:16
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Paperback Writer posted:I thought it was dumb how Davos immediately deduced what Stannis' plan was with Shireen. How the hell did he figure it out by turning his head and looking at Melisandre? Probably from how all of her other plans involve leeches, blood, and/or fire.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:18
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All you Stannis complainers are blind to the fact that a supernatural army of the undead is marching south to extinct the human race save a few for breeding new baby white walkers. You act like Stannis is out to be king and live the high life. He is about stopping and apocalyptic extinction event. The stakes don't get higher than that. It is Sophie's choice but instead of between two kids it is between his kid and the human race, of which his kid would die anyway. Really about as much as a choice as the kitchin girl had. Hey girl you want to make a copper coin to buy some food? Come with me.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:33
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Sheep-Goats posted:Arya doesn't have to steal a face. She doesn't even know how to put them on. She's just going to go do it rawdog. Ok, there are a couple of ways this can go down: 1. She just does it rawdog. This is the most boring and also means that the paedo thing is literally just to add a pointless layer of bad on top of Trant's character. She waits for Trant to come back tommorow night and murders him when he's getting busy with a 13 year old. 2. She just goes in with her own face, goes out the back with Trant under the pretence of sex and murders him. This will be dumb because they have shown several reaction shots of Trant looking at her. It really stretches belief that he wont recognize her, she was a pretty big deal and he a major career gently caress up on his own part. He might recognize her, decide that he's horny and doesn't care, but there's no way he doesn't realize that she's there to kill him. 3. She steals a face. This is also dumb because Jaqen hasn't been shown showing her how it works yet. I still think this is the most likely because it's less worse than the other options and the face stealing has to factor in as a useful plot device at some point.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:33
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Stannis and Selyse's reactions are supposed to be the opposite of what we've seen so far, to highlight how blind he's become to his own ambition and to the cult that worships him. The point is that even a cold, mean woman like Selyse would want to stop this, but Stannis, a person who is technically 'better' than her, who loves his daughter, is too set in his ways to save her. That's fine if that's what it was supposed to be, but the show didn't really earn that moment. In this episode they act completely differently from everything we've seen them do up until now, and the show does not lead them there. I understand what the plot is supposed to be, but plot doesn't give them a free pass on character development. They may have done a surface-level job of leading Stannis there, but they did absolutely nothing with Selyse's character to justify the way she acted in that scene. Every scene up until that one moment portrayed Selyse as having almost no affection for her daughter and resentful of her very existence. She is also shown to be a true believer in the Lord of Light. There were no scenes that took her from that characterization to this new characterization of not giving a poo poo about the Lord of Light and not wanting to sacrifice her daughter. It is completely antithetical to her character.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:33
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Marky Marx posted:Even if Melisandre didn't set those fires in the camp, she sure as hell saw it coming and let it happen. She'd been looking for an excuse to 420 blaze princess erryday for awhile now. Any theories as to what her real long term goal is? (no spoilers). Is just just a religious freak that wants power via Stanis, or is it something else? She should really team up with Ramsey, they both like murdering innocent people.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:38
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ErIog posted:That's fine if that's what it was supposed to be, but the show didn't really earn that moment. In this episode they act completely differently from everything we've seen them do up until now, and the show does not lead them there. I understand what the plot is supposed to be, but plot doesn't give them a free pass on character development. They may have done a surface-level job of leading Stannis there, but they did absolutely nothing with Selyse's character to justify the way she acted in that scene.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:44
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PowerBuilder3 posted:Any theories as to what her real long term goal is? (no spoilers). Is just just a religious freak that wants power via Stanis, or is it something else? In that case, just one more to go. Magical Zero posted:It's almost as if watching someone ritually murder your own child can change your perspective on things. tooterfish fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 14:44
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Look, it isn't out of character for Selyse to suddenly want to save Shireen. Sure she projected her self hatred onto Shireen for years and sure she was a fanatic, but in the end she was still just a screwed up person and even a screwed up person will respond to the tortured screams of a terrified child for her mother. She always had the potential to come around, her child screaming for her finally did it, but it was too late. Stannis on the other hand never wavers in a decision made, and it shows he really truly believes he is a hero by making this abrahamic sacrifice.
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hiddenmovement posted:2. She just goes in with her own face, goes out the back with Trant under the pretence of sex and murders him. This will be dumb because they have shown several reaction shots of Trant looking at her. It really stretches belief that he wont recognize her, she was a pretty big deal and he a major career gently caress up on his own part. He might recognize her, decide that he's horny and doesn't care, but there's no way he doesn't realize that she's there to kill him. They showed one and a half shots of Trant looking at her and it in both of them he was like Holy geez I wanna lick and stick that. You think he recognized her and then was like "oh nevermind the Stark kid gotta follow this banker around." It doesn't stretch belief that he doesn't recognize her at all, it's been years. Face stealing is dumb because she's already going to misuse the poison Jacq gave her and he's just going to go "lol many faced got don't give a poo poo anyway." It's just some unnecessary horseshit you came up with and if it does happen it's really stupid. Jesto posted:The entire ambush scene would've been redeemed if I saw Harpies pulling spears out of popcorn buckets. Why can't everthing remind me of my Japanese cartoons. I mean more than it already does. Why.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:58
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Magical Zero posted:It's almost as if watching someone ritually murder your own child can change your perspective on things. Pretty much this. tooterfish posted:
And this. This was the proverbial "straw" (more like a loving haystack) that broke the camels back.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:02
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Irish Joe posted:I was thinking about Korra when Dany and Missy held hands and was like, "on a shittier show, these two would be secret lesbians now." You should read the books.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:03
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Man I was absolutely convinced that Stannis was going to chop Melisandre's head off. I guess go Team Dany or Team Jon? I'd accept Team a Greyjoy at this point. This show is really going to make me root for Littlefinger, isn't it? Is this really how you think? Good lord.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:10
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Blazing Ownager posted:That whole scene at the end seemed paced very, very oddly. This, totally. The entire scene once the Harpy's attack is so oddly paced and awkward and weird and just, bleh. Exactly like that other Harpy attack scene. Once the Harpy's circle them they ....................... just stand there. They had the numbers 20 to 1 and they just sort of awkwardly sit there for like 2 full minutes. And the whole mounting and riding the dragon thing was handled so cheesily and had terrible compositing. I mean this is like my favorite series of all time and that was a literal "head in my hands" moment. I came into work this morning and everyone was talking about it and I was like "holy poo poo was that not the worst? So cheesy and terrible special f/x." Everybody just sort of stared at me. They all thought it was amazing and one person even said it was "the best moment of the series" ... I think it's time for me to move on.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:12
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Sheep-Goats posted:It doesn't stretch belief that he doesn't recognize her at all, it's been years. I had a guy wander up to me in a pub the other day. He knew my name. He recognized me from Kindergarden. I'm 30. Meryn Trant saw this kid basically every day for a couple of months, running around training with her cat chasing and water dancing. He then hosed up capturing her and the entire kingdom had standing orders to find her asap. If he can't remember Arya he must have some sort of disability.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Is this really how you think? I dunno. I guess? What's the dillio?
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BonoMan posted:This, totally. The entire scene once the Harpy's attack is so oddly paced and awkward and weird and just, bleh. Exactly like that other Harpy attack scene. To be fair, the people in the gold masks are rich people who have been stabbing people in the back. Face to face fighting and confrontation isn't their strong suit. They just randomly charged at the group, and got cut down by Daario or Jorah. One of them got killed by Tyrion.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I dunno. I guess? What's the dillio? What do you do if you watch a sports game and don't have a strong opinion about either team. Who do you root for then?
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Not this thread specifically, but i'm seeing a lot of people else where on the internet that want to believe very strongly that George R.R. Martin has nothing to do with the new HBO content that isn't in the books. Stuff like Shireen's sacrifice though was his idea. It's just interesting to see some of the reactions else where on the internet. They tend to be different from this thread but not by much.
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Red posted:To be fair, the people in the gold masks are rich people who have been stabbing people in the back. Face to face fighting and confrontation isn't their strong suit. They just randomly charged at the group, and got cut down by Daario or Jorah. One of them got killed by Tyrion. Yup! but the thing is, it was clear they were losing their nerve and each attack was being fairly neatly ended by Dany's guards. Which is why it was weird she started to hold hands and close her eyes as if she was giving up....it all seemed very in control.
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I said come in! posted:Not this thread specifically, but i'm seeing a lot of people else where on the internet that want to believe very strongly that George R.R. Martin has nothing to do with the new HBO content that isn't in the books. Stuff like Shireen's sacrifice though was his idea. Well, at least that's what D&D want us to think. It might be a ruse to turn the hate away from themselves to GRRM saying "but he told us we have to burn Shireen!"
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zoux posted:What do you do if you watch a sports game and don't have a strong opinion about either team. Who do you root for then? Comparing sports to works of fiction is apples and oranges. Although it certainly does help my fan heart knowing that Cole Hamels carries a tiny dog around in a backpack.
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WastedJoker posted:Yup! but the thing is, it was clear they were losing their nerve and each attack was being fairly neatly ended by Dany's guards. Which is why it was weird she started to hold hands and close her eyes as if she was giving up....it all seemed very in control. They were still pretty outnumbered though, I don't think they would have lasted if Drogon hadn't showed up. That said, the pacing and editing of that entire fight sequence was weird.
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How many Discount Spartans are still alive now?
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I kind of feel like people have forgotten that the WHITE DOOM OF MAN is marching south like right now. Stannis probably feels like he's trading his daughter for the rest of the human race, and honestly, if it pays off I would be grateful for it and so would you. Or do you prefer DOOM BY ZOMBIES?
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RBA Starblade posted:How many Discount Spartans are still alive now? 99.9% of whoever came into Mereen. Besides the arena battle and a skirmish or two in an alley, they haven't had many losses to the harpies.
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Chonchon posted:I kind of feel like people have forgotten that the WHITE DOOM OF MAN is marching south like right now. I do not prefer anything. That is the wrong way to watch television.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I do not prefer anything. That is the wrong way to watch television. Then why are you so concerned with who to root for.
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hiddenmovement posted:Ok, there are a couple of ways this can go down: I expect it to go down in a way that at least has tension on whether or not Arya gets sexually assaulted, or whether she's willing to let that happen to get him. Or that she goes that route and things get out of hand. For shock value.
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