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It's mostly there so they can hop through time for cool set pieces and not get stuck in a specific era. I think I read there's a specific reason for it pertaining to game mechanics but I honestly can't remember.
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Mister Chief posted:As someone who has never played any of them is there even any need for a framing device? Doesn't it just cheapen it? In Prince of Persia you have unlimited lives, and when you die "the narrator" is like "no wait, that didn't happen". In Grand Theft Auto you have unlimited lives, and when you die you wake up in a hospital with less money. In Assassin's Creed you have unlimited lives, but they built an entire bullshit narrative around it where you aren't remembering your ancestor's adventures properly. And to establish this gimmick there's like 4,000 hours of this bullshit unskippable mini-game where you walk around with an iPad conducting business meetings. IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR SWASHBUCKLING ADVENTURE. It's like trying to watch Raiders of the Lost Ark and every five minutes you have to do a PowerPoint presentation on third quarter fiscal diversity. Assassins Creed loving sucks poo poo from a huge well of turds.
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Jun 8, 2015 06:28
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Mister Chief posted:As someone who has never played any of them is there even any need for a framing device? Doesn't it just cheapen it? Yep. Like, I initially actually enjoyed the present-day stuff, but it and a lot of the greater plot was just superfluous and obstructive. They seem to be suffering from a bit of a sunk cost fallacy about it, too. They certainly seemed to understand that the present day Desmond side of things was widely disliked and got in the way, but when they were done with him they just wrote a different present day plot with exactly the same problems. So either they don't understand what people didn't like about them, or they do and just can't admit fault far enough to fix it.
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Jun 8, 2015 06:51
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If they really wanted to make use of the framing device, they'd make Indiana Jones in Where In Time Is Adolf Hitler?
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Jun 8, 2015 06:58
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I think they wanted to accomplish 3 things with the framing device in AC. I'm going to be incredibly generous and assume they thought far enough ahead for these things. Talking out my rear end with zero research other than playing the games, here we go: 1) A machine that lets you "time travel" for information based on genetic memory, which I don't think works like that at all, but it's a fun scifi concept so sure let's roll with that. Someone came up with this and thought it was cool and they worked from there, I think. It may also be a "well we wanna do history games but no one will think that's cool so we'll put it in a scifi coating" kinda poo poo. 2) Have a "whoa I dunno wtf is going on!" lead character who will be transformed into a skilled assassin via using magical memory machine so he can go from helpless fish out of water to in control of his own destiny. 3) ancient aliens and centuries-long secret society wars that connect the past story to the modern story, explaining why they wanted to use the memory machine to begin with. Obviously they fail or succeed with these concepts pretty much in a different way per game. In theory, it could make for a good story but if they've done that or not, eh. I'll say that it's impressive they stuck to it as long as they did anyway, a long-term gameplan across multiple games like that is pretty uncommon and risky so I'm glad it at least sort of worked out. Ezio was easily the best character they ever had though, yeah. I think the worst part of the modern story stuff was that he actually was raised in secret assassin town and wasn't just a random dude who had no idea of his family history and the entire the was nothing he ever knew about.
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Jun 8, 2015 07:33
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I'm asking for too much, I know, but I hope the AC movie is so bad it puts Ubisoft out of business.
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Jun 8, 2015 07:35
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm asking for too much, I know, but I hope the AC movie is so bad it puts Ubisoft out of business. They might have already gotten that ball rolling themselves with the last game.
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Jun 8, 2015 07:46
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effectual posted:What do you mean by that? Wag The Dog was filmed at around the same time with The Sphere, during some downtime in the filming of the latter, when Dustin Hoffman and Barry Levinson had some time to kill.
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Jun 8, 2015 08:00
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TheJoker138 posted:Just to play devil's advocate, maybe he's saying this is comedy-horror as opposed to horror-comedy. As in it's a comedy first and horror second, as opposed to something like Evil Dead 2 which is the other way around? Probably not, and he's probably just an idiot. Even if that's true you're ignoring Army of Darkness and the Scary Movie franchise, along with the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie and a ton of other poo poo I can't remember at the moment.
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Jun 8, 2015 08:47
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Skwirl posted:Even if that's true you're ignoring Army of Darkness and the Scary Movie franchise, along with the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie and a ton of other poo poo I can't remember at the moment. Or even Peter Jackson's early work, particularly Braindead, which is explicitly comedic.
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Jun 8, 2015 08:53
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poo poo, it even ignores Re-Animator, which is another straight-up comedy that has a lot of gore and a singular scary scene in it.
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Jun 8, 2015 09:14
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Comedy horror? What, like Little Shop of Horrors? Gremlins? Beetlejuice? Ghostbusters? Idle Hands? I Bought a Vampire Motorcycle?
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Jun 8, 2015 10:52
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It's comedy horrorcore, obviously.
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Jun 8, 2015 10:59
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Mister Chief posted:As someone who has never played any of them is there even any need for a framing device? Doesn't it just cheapen it? The Assassins Creed series is the framing device. Some people may not like it that way but its not supposed to just be historical period pieces.
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Jun 8, 2015 12:01
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The advertising for the games never features the future crap so I always forget it exists. They know it's a turn-off, but they just can't stop!
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Jun 8, 2015 14:32
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Can't wait til they reveal that the sci-fi stuff is all a hallucination of a medieval chap on mushrooms.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:36
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They don't advertise the present day stuff because that's not what the majority of the gameplay is. The actual game part takes place in the past but it is in service to the present day story. The only ones that haven't dealt with present day stuff is a handheld spin off and the most recent.
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Jun 8, 2015 14:51
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muscles like this? posted:They don't advertise the present day stuff because that's not what the majority of the gameplay is. The actual game part takes place in the past but it is in service to the present day story. The only ones that haven't dealt with present day stuff is a handheld spin off and the most recent. "People are going to LOVE Jar Jar Binks!" *character gradually slides into a non-speaking role*
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Jun 8, 2015 15:13
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TheJoker138 posted:And I'm saying that even if he is still in it, it's still going to suck. Yes, but why would you not resurrect Orson Welles while you are doing this, and Welles would still be interfering with the cameras behind the scenes as well.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:28
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The present-day stuff was like a surprising twist in the first one because all of the pre-release publicity only dealt with the past stuff with only like a flash of code or something. Now it's just redundant.
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Jun 8, 2015 15:28
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mr.capps posted:Yes, but why would you not resurrect Orson Welles while you are doing this, and Welles would still be interfering with the cameras behind the scenes as well. Ghosts only interfere if they're caught ON the camera. It's why in Paranormal Activity everything is fine until the ghost enters the frame. Also if we shot the whole movie on a Microsoft Kinect this wouldn't be an issue.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:06
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For some reason the AC developers were afraid that a historical setting would be boring therefore ancient aliens and now they seem to be embarrassed by that whole angle (it's never, ever in any marketing and they get really awkward about it in interviews and claim they don't want to give anything away) but are forced to shove it into every game because it's a "series staple" or some poo poo. It's dumb and it actively detracts from the good parts of the games. I wish they'd just axe it but it's Ubisoft so probably not. The movie's gonna suck but Fassbender's usually entertaining at least so there's that.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:16
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TheJoker138 posted:They might have already gotten that ball rolling themselves with the last game. It sold 10 million copies.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:17
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Aphrodite posted:It sold 10 million copies. Yes but it was so bad and everyone hated it so much that the entire first trailer for the new one was basically an apology. Sequels to games, much like those for movies, live and die by how well the previous entry into the series did. Black Flag was probably the best AC game they've ever made, so people all rushed out and bought Unity. And it was a broken mess that even if it worked right still would have sucked and been super loving boring. So people are less inclined to go out and buy the next game. Also it was just a joke about how bad that game was, I don't think Ubisoft are actually going anywhere just like the guy I was replying to doesn't actually think a movie they have nothing to do with the production of has any chance of putting them out of business, jesus christ.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:21
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Aphrodite posted:It sold 10 million copies. It also caused their stock to go down 12%, by itself.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:24
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Call me when they make a Watch_Dogs movie. I would say a Blood Dragon movie, but Kung Fury just came out.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:25
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TheJoker138 posted:Yes but it was so bad and everyone hated it so much that the entire first trailer for the new one was basically an apology. Waffleman_ posted:I would say a Blood Dragon movie, but Kung Fury just came out.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:13
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TheJoker138 posted:Yes but it was so bad and everyone hated it so much that the entire first trailer for the new one was basically an apology. Sequels to games, much like those for movies, live and die by how well the previous entry into the series did. Black Flag was probably the best AC game they've ever made, so people all rushed out and bought Unity. And it was a broken mess that even if it worked right still would have sucked and been super loving boring. So people are less inclined to go out and buy the next game. I've only just started playing Unity so it's probably going to be as fixed as it ever will be and it's a shame because it's sometimes a fantastic looking game, and huge, but the main character is just a poor riff on Ezio and for some reason, despite being a French studio who have usually done well with accents, they decide that everyone in France is a Mary Poppins-era cockney.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:23
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ShufflerZero posted:83: Linda Blair: Chipmunk-Cheeked Action Woman, Adjacent-to-Action Woman and occasional Prison Agitator Try to get away with using "They Raped Her Sister" copy on a poster these days. 
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Jun 8, 2015 19:26
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DrVenkman posted:I've only just started playing Unity so it's probably going to be as fixed as it ever will be and it's a shame because it's sometimes a fantastic looking game, and huge, but the main character is just a poor riff on Ezio and for some reason, despite being a French studio who have usually done well with accents, they decide that everyone in France is a Mary Poppins-era cockney. Ubisoft Montreal did Unity and Quebec French sounds nothing like France French. Also if you want to make a campy 80s throwback film based on a videogame I think Double Dragon Neon would be way better than Blood Dragon.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:30
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kiimo posted:Try to get away with using "They Raped Her Sister" copy on a poster these days. I love how her outfit gets more and more punk and futuristic in each iteration. She goes from a basic black not-catsuit to Road Warrior rip-off leather duds.
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Jun 8, 2015 19:32
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kiimo posted:Try to get away with using "They Raped Her Sister" copy on a poster these days. So no major studio would be daring enough to attempt a tag-line like this? 
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Jun 8, 2015 21:08
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I think the operative phrase being "these days."
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Jun 8, 2015 21:46
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Yodzilla posted:I think the operative phrase being "these days." Obviously. A Clockwork Orange is something like 35 years old now.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:20
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kiimo posted:Try to get away with using "They Raped Her Sister" copy on a poster these days. I just wanna know if the "eye for an eye" part is meant to imply that she is going to rape their sisters as revenge.
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Jun 8, 2015 22:30
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LORD OF BUTT posted:To AC's credit, the past stuff basically only hasn't owned once (AC3). And that was more writing and game design's fault not the setting. Ubisoft did a fantastic job getting the historical details and recreating all the old landmarks. Many of which are still there today. But badly designed sections like Paul Revers's ride, unlocking fast travel through underground tunnels, and the writing all drag it down. Sorry, I'm from Mass and love all the history around here.
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Jun 9, 2015 03:05
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A lot of the series' problems can probably be traced back to the fact that the publisher has forced them to put out a game a year for the past 6 years, with this year being no different.
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Jun 9, 2015 03:10
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I thought part of the main appeal of AssCreed is that it's willing to tap historical settings other games don't bother with and provide the opportunity to explore them? At this point ACIII probably has the most "mainstream" setting and even then pirate-themed games aren't terribly common. This doesn't seem to really be as much of a novelty with film, which generally has less of an issue exploring various eras/places.
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4 was the pirate game. 3 was the American Revolution.
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It really is amazing how they can't make a good poster, in any form, for the new Terminator movie.
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