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LingcodKilla posted:Could be as little as simply doing better in all three categories than your previous sat attempts. That would at least motivate the people who have no chance to be the top 10% because 18-20yrs are loving jackrabbits. What's that saying? Youth is wasted on the young? Also, I started looking up multi-limb amputees from OEF/OIF and how some are still within standards but 
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No man, your post just seemed to be super angry at all the fatty fat fats and I thought it was funny in a why do you care sort of way. I read it in the voice of our cfl who says things like "the mile and a half is a sprint!" etc. The Navy is loving retarded when it comes to pt in my opinion. The newest instruction says that you must be afforded pt time during the work WEEK, not work DAY which is a lovely way of saying gently caress you work ten hours and also go do some stretch band garbage. I guess the more I think about it the more I'm angry at the people that have taken advantage of "go pt on your own" so now I have to do mountain climbers and suicides instead of going to the gym and doing regular runs around the base. I've always been against the bullshit "you can't let your people fail" saying. Why the gently caress not? Why can't I let the dumb fats get kicked out? Oh, because it will affect a loving fitrep. Ugh way to make me get all care postey. Whatever, six more months of this poo poo until the reserves.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:17
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germskr posted:My last command did this- prescribed 07-0830ish as departmental/command/individual PT on a POD basis. It was abused to all poo poo, where most people would go get breakfast or go sleep in their cars. We still had a lot of people fail both PRT and weigh in (as Sir Lucius points out) due to lovely diet habits. I'm 100% with you when you say they should change the galley, but my base didn't have a galley. Hence my (slightly) over the top bread and water comment. I would venture that most people, when they volunteered for the Navy, assumed that there would be some sort of structure/culture that was conducive to fitness.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:17
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basically in an organization where 100+ hour work weeks are common and accepted, I refuse to put blame on the sailors that don't find time to work out and cook nutritious meals for themselves in the 9 hours between when they leave work and when they have to show up again the next day. Sailors will care about what their leaders prioritize, and leaders don't prioritize fitness because physical fitness has essentially zero to do with job capability for almost all sailors (FMF corpsmen etc excepted). Poor fitness is almost entirely a systemic problem and not one with the people in the system. "Sorry Admiral, I can't get the ship to sea in that timeframe because I'm spending 1000 man hours per week on organized PT, and cutting that down simply isn't an option." said no captain ever
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Jun 8, 2015 02:24
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Cerekk posted:basically in an organization where 100+ hour work weeks are common and accepted, I refuse to put blame on the sailors that don't find time to work out and cook nutritious meals for themselves in the 9 hours between when they leave work and when they have to show up again the next day. Sailors will care about what their leaders prioritize, and leaders don't prioritize fitness because physical fitness has essentially zero to do with job capability for almost all sailors (FMF corpsmen etc excepted). Poor fitness is almost entirely a systemic problem and not one with the people in the system. Absolutely this. I forgot to rail against the really dumb BCA measurement system earlier. One of our CFLs is at 21% according to the Navy and another dude is at 20%. Both of these guys are cut and can blow almost everyone else in our division out of the water during any kind of physical activity. Then we've got FC2 'eats gummi worms and drinks 6 code reds a day' who looks like he's 60 goddamn years old but weighs like 130 so of course he's perfectly fine and not at all a detriment to anyone on a ship. The PRT/PFA should be cuirtailed to what the majority of sailors do, it should center around shipboard responses and poo poo. You should have to don full fire fighting equipment and head to the bridge. You should have to grab a dummy and get it out of a space. poo poo like that, poo poo that would actually matter and would save lives. Of course if the Navy did that 70% of the force would fail.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:33
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Boon posted:So... You going to put a sticker on your back window or what? Nah, I don't do car stickers. And I don't do endurance runs. A lot of people seem to get some pleasure out of running for hours but man I just do not. Running that long, my heart rate doesn't get too high so I don't feel like I had a great workout I just feel like I slogged through miles of increasingly painful muscles and joints. 5k is where it's at.
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Jun 8, 2015 02:47
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germskr posted:If you're injured (temp/perm) and have it documented, cool. Nah, I call bullshit on this. If you're injured you can still decide what you do and don't eat. There is 0 reason anyone should be fat, you can't gain more weight than calories you consume. We should be teaching this to sailors so they can explain it to their obese tricare-leeching wives. Seriously though, do half the people in the military have a fat fetish or something?
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Jun 8, 2015 03:09
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Sir Lucius posted:Nah, I call bullshit on this. If you're injured you can still decide what you do and don't eat. There is 0 reason anyone should be fat, you can't gain more weight than calories you consume. We should be teaching this to sailors so they can explain it to their obese tricare-leeching wives. Seriously though, do half the people in the military have a fat fetish or something? It probably has more to do with sugar being loaded into everything labelled fat free tbh.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:27
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Cerekk posted:I would venture that most people, when they volunteered for the Navy, assumed that there would be some sort of structure/culture that was conducive to fitness. Last cycle my reserve unit had 6 failures. I got put as CFL. I started doing unofficial BCAs, required people on FEP to keep nutrition and workout logs, ran good varied PT sessions and this cycle we had 1 failure and he was brand new. It's almost as if putting leadership priorities in the area helps. Not that the surface Navy knows anything about that, though. But still, I see these people two days a month and just having someone in the unit who pushes fitness made a huge difference.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Last cycle my reserve unit had 6 failures. I got put as CFL. I started doing unofficial BCAs, required people on FEP to keep nutrition and workout logs, ran good varied PT sessions and this cycle we had 1 failure and he was brand new. It's almost as if putting leadership priorities in the area helps. Not that the surface Navy knows anything about that, though. So for two days a month you just do PT with them or...? It seems odd that you'd be able to influence reservists since you never see them. Sub side doesn't seem to know anything about fitness either, every sub rerate we get is enormous.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:32
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germskr posted:David Grossman frequently used an example that good shooting scores in the old Army would get a liberty pass. Maybe a 24 hour special lib to the top 10%? When I had my CFL gig, I convinced the CO to give 24/48/72 hour liberty chits to Good/Excellent/Outstanding PRT's. Our bare minimum Satisfactory dudes put out a bit more effort and our Good+ numbers improved quite a bit.
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Jun 8, 2015 03:59
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PneumonicBook posted:So for two days a month you just do PT with them or...? It seems odd that you'd be able to influence reservists since you never see them. Just letting them know that the command gives a poo poo, plus making them actually track and take responsibility for their fitness did a lot.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:01
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It's very difficult to fake nutrition logs. If someone is overweight then their log should show that. If it says they only eat 2000 calories a day and they haven't lost any weight after a month then you know they are liars, or need more instruction on how to count.
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Jun 8, 2015 04:19
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Whole bunch of people mad about PT in this thread.
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Jun 8, 2015 06:12
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I, too, hate fat people, but I don't care enough to care.
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Jun 8, 2015 06:21
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I used to not care, but http://stateofobesity.org/adult-obesity/ It's not just a matter of we notice fat people more now that TLC has all their programming dedicated to them. It's become a real problem and is going to financially and literally crush our healthcare system.
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Jun 8, 2015 06:33
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Social Darwinism rules though.
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Jun 8, 2015 06:40
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btw, The Measure of a Man is the best episode of Star Trek: TNG
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Jun 8, 2015 06:46
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Sir Lucius posted:btw, The Measure of a Man is the best episode of Star Trek: TNG Yeah, it's loving great.
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Jun 8, 2015 06:54
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I just want weight lifting to be a part of the PRT/PT sessions. I imagine it would be a whole lot better to know the people around you could carry you out of a dangerous situation if it arises rather than someone doing 125 push ups and struggle lifting a 140 lb mannequin.
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Jun 8, 2015 11:48
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Pandasmores posted:I just want weight lifting to be a part of the PRT/PT sessions. I imagine it would be a whole lot better to know the people around you could carry you out of a dangerous situation if it arises rather than someone doing 125 push ups and struggle lifting a 140 lb mannequin. CFLs can barely run calistenics properly. Having them run a lifting program would result in the entire Navy on LIMDU.
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Jun 8, 2015 12:23
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DustyNuts posted:When I had my CFL gig, I convinced the CO to give 24/48/72 hour liberty chits to Good/Excellent/Outstanding PRT's. Our bare minimum Satisfactory dudes put out a bit more effort and our Good+ numbers improved quite a bit. My command does that as well, because they care about fitness. They also made 3.4 plus on the CTE get you a special lib chit and that has helped improve morale here as well. Honestly this place is great I like my ship, but I am honestly blessed to be on it to be honest.
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Ryand-Smith posted:My command does that as well, because they care about fitness. They also made 3.4 plus on the CTE get you a special lib chit and that has helped improve morale here as well. Honestly this place is great I like my ship, but I am honestly blessed to be on it to be honest. someone drank the kool-aid
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Jun 8, 2015 14:56
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One of us. One of us. One of us.
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Jun 8, 2015 16:07
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nuke Stockholm syndrome
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Ryand-Smith posted:My command does that as well, because they care about fitness. They also made 3.4 plus on the CTE get you a special lib chit and that has helped improve morale here as well. Honestly this place is great I like my ship, but I am honestly blessed to be on it to be honest. He's close to the edge, convincing himself.
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Jun 8, 2015 18:49
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Boon posted:One of us. One of us. One of us. gooble gobble, gooble gobble
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Jun 8, 2015 21:15
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what do you guys know about the Riverines?
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Nwabudike Morgan posted:what do you guys know about the Riverines? green pants, black boots
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Arione posted:green pants, black boots i see. Cause they want me to join this new riverine squadron here and I know jack poo poo about em
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Nwabudike Morgan posted:i see. Cause they want me to join this new riverine squadron here and I know jack poo poo about em What's your rate? Which coast? Generally speaking, I'd say don't do it unless you want a few pics of yourself wearing the cool guy cammies holding a bunch of different guns that you'll never get to use. In all seriousness, unless a war breaks out tomorrow with a country that has many inland water ways, their mission set is kind of useless so now they do harbor patrol missionsjin forward deployed AOs. PM me for more info.
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Arione posted:green pants, black boots That's some seabee and acu.
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germskr posted:What's your rate? Which coast? Generally speaking, I'd say don't do it unless you want a few pics of yourself wearing the cool guy cammies holding a bunch of different guns that you'll never get to use. I'm an IS, and west coast. I guess the one I'd be joining deploys to Guam and some Mid East spots, also they do rimpac
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is this how the navy works
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Nwabudike Morgan posted:I'm an IS, and west coast. I guess the one I'd be joining deploys to Guam and some Mid East spots, also they do rimpac You can either try to find fun doing that or become another boring CVIC/JIC IS like the rest of us. terrez posted:is this how the navy works 1 weird trick to get promoted, senior enlisted HATE it!
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So I get a call from detailer last night. He says I'm getting rolled early to FCO school and wants me to start next monday. Fuuuuuu... I guess leave all my poo poo here and then try to move out after completing training? He said he'll try to work an I stop in so I can take care of this. Anybody ever deal with this before? Also still haven't done the PRT yet for this cycle. Am I hosed if I go to Dahlgren without completing the PRT with my parent command? Should I push COC here to do it for me?
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Howard Phillips posted:So I get a call from detailer last night. He says I'm getting rolled early to FCO school and wants me to start next monday. Fuuuuuu... You shouldn't be screwed on the PRT simply because of rotation. You get time around a PCS where you're exempted, iirc, but it's been forever since I looked at a PRT instruction.
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They took away the TAD exemption for the PRT. You absolutely need to have your CFL run a PRT for you because Dhalgren will be a bag of dicks about it and you'll be the only one who pays for it in the end.
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ManMythLegend posted:They took away the TAD exemption for the PRT. You absolutely need to have your CFL run a PRT for you because Dhalgren will be a bag of dicks about it and you'll be the only one who pays for it in the end. 
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Nwabudike Morgan posted:what do you guys know about the Riverines? I was briefly part of a reserve NECC unit and due to restructuring, downsizing, and consolidation it was a complete clusterfuck with no clear mission, consistent chain of command, or function.
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