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I am pretty sure Marvel does legacy characters more than DC. They just tend to stick less.
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Laura's his clone/basically daughter so having her take up that mantle makes sense to me, personally.  I kind of agree on the Cap thing, honestly; I do really like Sam Wilson and I'm cool with him taking up the name for a bit but Steve feels more essentially Captain America to me. On the other hand, I'm OK with Kate also being Hawkeye. I think it can vary from character to character. Though reusing names does get a little frustrating to talk about. (Thor and Lady Thor who's NOT Lady Thor, she's Just Thor! ... Yeah.)
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Jun 9, 2015 03:49
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CharlestheHammer posted:I am pretty sure Marvel does legacy characters more than DC. Yeah, how many loving Captain Marvels did they go through before getting the only legacy version that made a lick of sense?
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Jun 9, 2015 03:55
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BuckyCap is superior to Captain Falcon. I dunno, I'm not really feeling Sam in the role for whatever reason.
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Jun 9, 2015 04:51
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It's probably considered racist but I liked Sam better when Snap Wilson was still a thing, a guy who did bad making good is almost always more interesting then a generic always heroic guy. They Hal Jordan'd him.
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Jun 9, 2015 04:57
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A Tin Of Beans posted:Laura's his clone/basically daughter so having her take up that mantle makes sense to me, personally. To be fair, taking on her former mentor/original copy's clothes and name could be seen as a step back her whole attempt to become a person/find herself, but I'm more concerned about that in the sense that "this is a possible way that change could be handled badly" rather than actually convinced it will be handled badly. I'm pretty excited for and looking forward to it.
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Jun 9, 2015 05:02
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SirDan3k posted:It's probably considered racist but I liked Sam better when Snap Wilson was still a thing, a guy who did bad making good is almost always more interesting then a generic always heroic guy. Snap was never a real thing. He was always influenced by the cosmic cube.
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Jun 9, 2015 06:01
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The true crime here is that MCU Ant-Man can still talk to ants, but Falcon can't talk to birds anymore.
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Jun 9, 2015 12:17
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Defiance Industries posted:Well, I don't particularly like being told that "this new person is now [character]" because I've always seen that more as a DC thing where they're superheroes first and people later. You can tell me that the Falcon is now Captain America, but there's only one Cap to me, and that's Steve Rogers. The 1940s origin and being the Man out of Time ect is more important than having an indestructible shield to throw and a flag-based costume. I know that's not why most people are throwing fits but it is something I don't really like. I have less of a problem with Falcon being Captain America than I do with Ultimate Captain America being Ultimate Captain America.
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Jun 9, 2015 12:34
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Four Score posted:The true crime here is that MCU Ant-Man can still talk to ants, but Falcon can't talk to birds anymore. Maybe the Ant-Man film will set up some kind of plot point or precedent for bird-telepathy Falcon. 
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Jun 9, 2015 12:44
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Speaking of Marvel changing up its characters, what does everyone think about Salon's suggestion to update Xavier and Magneto into black men of the Civil Rights era?
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Jun 9, 2015 13:10
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I wouldn't mind it for Xavier much, but it's an rear end-tearingly bad idea for Magneto for obvious reasons, and the article writer knows those reasons because the reasons are so obvious, but they wants those pageviews so they wrote an article about it anyway.
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Jun 9, 2015 13:34
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Space Fish posted:Speaking of Marvel changing up its characters, what does everyone think about Salon's suggestion to update Xavier and Magneto into black men of the Civil Rights era? There will be a point when Magneto being a Holocaust survivor will not make sense in Marvel's sliding timescale unless you pull some tricks out of your sleeve, because there will be a point when the oldest Holocaust survivor will be what? 90? A hundred? which doesn't really work for the kind of stuff Magneto usually gets up to. Eli Keel's proposal is hackneyed as all hell, but it's an interesting thought experiment, and it could absolutely work if the entire X-Men line was rebooted from the ground up. Since that's not gonna happen, the next best thing is probably going to be along the lines of what Morrison did in New X-Men : have Magneto dead, but still existing as this overpowering symbolic figure casting a shadow over everyone. Kinda like what they're doing with Xavier now. But with both of them, fighting beyond the grave through ideology.
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Jun 9, 2015 13:35
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His mutation allows him to live a long time. There.
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Jun 9, 2015 13:41
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BrianWilly posted:His mutation allows him to live a long time. He gets a new rejuvenated body every other decade I don't see what the big deal is. Just say he refuses to die until mutants are treated equally or something.
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Jun 9, 2015 14:02
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How did Falcon get his talk to bird powers? Radioactive bird bite?
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Jun 9, 2015 14:13
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ElNarez posted:There will be a point when Magneto being a Holocaust survivor will not make sense in Marvel's sliding timescale unless you pull some tricks out of your sleeve, because there will be a point when the oldest Holocaust survivor will be what? 90? A hundred? which doesn't really work for the kind of stuff Magneto usually gets up to.
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Jun 9, 2015 14:29
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zoux posted:How did Falcon get his talk to bird powers? Radioactive bird bite? cosmic cube shenanigans
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Jun 9, 2015 14:35
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:He gets a new rejuvenated body every other decade I don't see what the big deal is. Just say he refuses to die until mutants are treated equally or something. It's gonna start to be weird when he and Xavier are over a hundred years old.
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Jun 9, 2015 14:36
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Lurdiak posted:It's gonna start to be weird when he and Xavier are over a hundred years old. Magneto's been turned into a baby, had his brain put in other bodies, and all kinds of poo poo to where his physical age is completely meaningless. Xavier's currently in a position where aging is not a big issue for him.
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Jun 9, 2015 14:38
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Blockhouse posted:Magneto's been turned into a baby, had his brain put in other bodies, and all kinds of poo poo to where his physical age is completely meaningless. It's still going to start to raise a lot of questions about what the gently caress they were doing for extended periods of time, when the X-men were founded, how old Cyclops should be, etc.
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Jun 9, 2015 14:41
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Blockhouse posted:Magneto's been turned into a baby, had his brain put in other bodies, and all kinds of poo poo to where his physical age is completely meaningless. Xavier's had his entire body cloned.
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Jun 9, 2015 15:50
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Lurdiak posted:It's gonna start to be weird when he and Xavier are over a hundred years old. Before he died, Wolverine was over 120 years old. Yeah, his regeneration justified it pretty well, but my point is this isn't the first time X-Men have had really old dudes running around justified by superpowers/mutations. Maybe longevity is just a side benefit of magnetism. To be fair, as much as I like him, I think Magneto has been around too long and it wouldn't be a bad thing to kill him off, but the character's age isn't really that big of a deal.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:13
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Professor X discovered that "Age is just a number, it's about how you feel" is actually totally true and used his telepathy to make himself feel younger.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:14
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DrProsek posted:Before he died, Wolverine was over 120 years old. Yeah, his regeneration justified it pretty well, but my point is this isn't the first time X-Men have had really old dudes running around justified by superpowers/mutations. Maybe longevity is just a side benefit of magnetism. Haven't there been stories set way in the future with Logan looking about like he does now?
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Jun 9, 2015 16:17
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zoux posted:Haven't there been stories set way in the future with Logan looking about like he does now? Logan has the Superman thing, where sometimes, yes, he's functionally immortal and looks 40 forever, and sometimes he just ages much slower, and in 50 years he's got greying hair. Marvel look like they're splitting the difference and having him be an old dude post-SW. I wonder how they're going to handle the revamps after the event. Like, is the world going to be re-remade, and everyone just acts like there's always been 2 Spider-Men and Wolverine's always been a teen/20-something chick?
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Jun 9, 2015 16:24
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Gaz-L posted:Logan has the Superman thing, where sometimes, yes, he's functionally immortal and looks 40 forever, and sometimes he just ages much slower, and in 50 years he's got greying hair. Marvel look like they're splitting the difference and having him be an old dude post-SW. There's already been quite a bit of memory fuckery so they're laying the ground to reset everyone's perceptions to whatever they want. I think it'd be cool if everyone remembered Battleworld going forward though.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:26
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Gaz-L posted:Logan has the Superman thing, where sometimes, yes, he's functionally immortal and looks 40 forever, and sometimes he just ages much slower, and in 50 years he's got greying hair. Marvel look like they're splitting the difference and having him be an old dude post-SW. No the female wolverine is a clone so if there is no Wolverine then there is no Laura.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:27
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zoux posted:Haven't there been stories set way in the future with Logan looking about like he does now?
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Jun 9, 2015 16:28
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bobkatt013 posted:No the female wolverine is a clone so if there is no Wolverine then there is no Laura. Well, I mean more along the lines of 'she's been Wolverine for as long as the modern heroes have known a Wolverine', with the idea that Logan was around in WW2 and such.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:30
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There's nothing to imply any kind of retconning or stuff like that will be happening post-SW and why would they do that that's unnecessarily confusing.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:31
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The only character who I feel really genuinely "ages" badly is The Punisher. You can justify superpowered guys being as old as you need but with Punisher it always feels forced to me. 'Fortunately' we have a new clusterfuck of a war for him to be tied to so his Vietnam-vethood won't be an issue any longer.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:36
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Blockhouse posted:There's nothing to imply any kind of retconning or stuff like that will be happening post-SW and why would they do that that's unnecessarily confusing. Not nearly as confusing as 50 years of shared continuity. I'm not saying they are going to do a reset but there's a reason to do it and that is to bring in new comics readers and free writers from continuity requirements. In Spider-Gwen universe, did Peter Parker die the same way Gwen did in 616?
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Jun 9, 2015 16:38
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zoux posted:In Spider-Gwen universe, did Peter Parker die the same way Gwen did in 616? No, he became the Lizard and died after the fight.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:39
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zoux posted:Not nearly as confusing as 50 years of shared continuity. I'm not saying they are going to do a reset but there's a reason to do it and that is to bring in new comics readers and free writers from continuity requirements. Like they did in Crisis of Infinite Earth!
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Jun 9, 2015 16:41
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ImpAtom posted:No, he became the Lizard and died after the fight. This being Gwen's 'With Great Power...' moment.
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Jun 9, 2015 16:48
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Iirc Spider-Gwen's Peter became a lizard because he was obsessed with becoming a super hero like Spider-Gwen.
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Jun 9, 2015 17:50
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redbackground posted:Morrison's "Here Comes Tomorrow" arc from New X-Men. I forget how much further in the future it takes place, but it's a healthy amount. Hundred or hundred fifty. One of those. Old Man Logan after Secret Wars will probably continue Bendis' theme of Wolverine remembering things he shouldn't. Like House of M, he'll probably have all his memories. Him and Old Man Rogers will be the grizzled vets teaching the young generation, and a touchstone for the older readers to comfort themselves while their books are overrun by millenials. This isn't about rebooting, the continuity isn't nearly messy enough to worry about such a thing, it's about getting IP's in place to take Marvel into the future beyond the current roster of the Avengers movies. Why keep recasting Steve Rogers and Thor with a penis when there's just as viable characters waiting in the wings? It won't be too long before you're buying your kids Squirrel Girl backpacks and Speedball branded bouncy balls.
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Jun 9, 2015 18:12
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Die Laughing posted:Speedball branded bouncy balls. Will they come with spikes?
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Penance branded cat toys.
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