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Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
same same saaaaaame

English is really poorly suited to describe sounds

beep boop

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Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



bookwise you should get:

drum programming, ray badness

making music, dennis desantis

music theory for musicians and normal people, toby rush

how music works, david byrne

this is your brain on music, daniel levitin

dance music manual, rick snoman

music theory for computer musicians, michael hewitt

but really you should learn to listen to music you like, break up each different section, and reproduce it, learning all about synthesizers, sampling, and audio effects in the process

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
I must read at least one article of synth secrets per day

Asshole Masonanie
Oct 27, 2009

by vyelkin
if you want to know about actual music theory and not just 'shortcuts for synth dorks who are lazy'



also, structural functions of harmony by the same brilliant mother fucker

Mr. Glass
May 1, 2009
fuckin eurorack :suicide:

i really need to stop spending so much money on robot farts

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
For me it's often not possible/convenient to watch a video on something, whereas with text I can skim to the pertinent bit; there's too many videos out there which are like 14 mins long with only 90 seconds of which I'm interested in buried somewhere in the middle. I agree for gear demos and whatnot the audio with a vid is great but if it's just something simple like 'what the mod osc in Massive does' then I'd rather read for a quick overview on a smoke break at work then experiment with it later

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]
before reading any of this poo poo, just mess around with a DAW. the best way to learn is always through doing anyway. gently caress around, make mistakes, make happy accidents. get better. your first stuff is gonna be terrible no matter how much you read in beforehand.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Granbar posted:

before reading any of this poo poo, just mess around with a DAW. the best way to learn is always through doing anyway. gently caress around, make mistakes, make happy accidents. get better. your first stuff is gonna be terrible no matter how much you read in beforehand.

so much this.

music theory is about describing what exists, it's not something you need to use to create music or it'll sound bad

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]

Dessert Rose posted:

music theory is about describing what exists, it's not something you need to use to create music or it'll sound bad

y

Asshole Masonanie
Oct 27, 2009

by vyelkin
in that case songwriting (composition) is very different from theory so you know, pick one you want to focus on and do it

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Unless posted:

bookwise you should get:

this is your brain on music, daniel levitin


realized a friend had lent this to me like two years ago and i never got around to reading it until now, thanks for the reminder.

i got a little ways in and he claims that calling notes "low" or "high" is completely arbitrary and it could (and has in the past) go the other way, but

well, you see, now we understand this thing called "frequency", and it's not exactly arbitrary what "high frequency" means: it means it happens often. there is an actual number associated with it and it gets "higher".

since tones/pitch are an effect of frequency, ...

except, now that I write all this out, I realize that we could just as easily have settled on wavelength instead of frequency as our measure, in which case "higher" would mean the frequency gets lower.

:2bong:

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Dessert Rose posted:

realized a friend had lent this to me like two years ago and i never got around to reading it until now, thanks for the reminder.

i got a little ways in and he claims that calling notes "low" or "high" is completely arbitrary and it could (and has in the past) go the other way, but

well, you see, now we understand this thing called "frequency", and it's not exactly arbitrary what "high frequency" means: it means it happens often. there is an actual number associated with it and it gets "higher".

since tones/pitch are an effect of frequency, ...

except, now that I write all this out, I realize that we could just as easily have settled on wavelength instead of frequency as our measure, in which case "higher" would mean the frequency gets lower.

:2bong:

our wavelength and frequency are bound by the speed of sound in air

there's a lot of fun macro/micro stuff on our perception energy in sound

gotta recommend reading up on microtonal

also, if you're diggin' daniel levitin, you should make a note of this book

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed
yeah, did a rehearsal with friends tonight for a "noise witch project" that is moving more toward "dance witch"

I'm pretty versed in a DAW or two, and suck at actually playing, my friend controlling all the sound is versed in all of the above (he's mastered a few albums recently you may have heard if you're into nerdcore), and then the lead who literally. . . nothing about music.

We hosed around on an old 4track cassette mixer for a while, then rerigged into a motu, and I gave him things I knew from rehearsing with the lead without him, and ended up just making a thing that sounded good with all of screwing around on top of a few premade beats, and a few samples preprogrammed to lead us in a direction

Startyde
Apr 19, 2007

come post with us, forever and ever and ever
which witch is which

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
i still maintain that "witch house" is a thing that baba yaga lives in

Lotron
Aug 15, 2006

Still clownin'

enotnert posted:

yeah, did a rehearsal with friends tonight for a "noise witch project" that is moving more toward "dance witch"

witchstep post-witch

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
mash it up w darude for a sand witch

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

post future witch

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Tayter Swift posted:

mash it up w darude for a sand witch

this has so many layers i don't know witch one to groan at

Sizone
Sep 13, 2007

by LadyAmbien
witch in one hand poo poo in the other and see which dubsteps first

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed
it's mostly the lead singer feels themself a witch, and recites weird poo poo while people with musical training make noises.

it's pretty stupid, but hey once a month or so I goto a bar, play noises and get paid in PBR.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
odd place to ask but anyone know how the gently caress i get the idler wheel on a technics m85 mkii to straighten up and fly right and stop giving up when i stick a scientology tape in and try to play it

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.


probably be incapable of interpersonal relationships and rant about the socialists while making a jazz album

Sizone
Sep 13, 2007

by LadyAmbien

Luigi Thirty posted:

probably be incapable of interpersonal relationships and rant about the socialists while making a jazz album

dude did that whole album multritracking monosynths without midi. really makes you think, like how maybe your racist dead grandpa was entitled to be racist because he was a part of the greatest generation, survived the depression then fought off nazis while shirtless

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
I had no idea that the "guitars" on metal were synths

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

there's a bass guitar but the rhythmic guitar sound is a synth run through an amplifier with the distortion cranked up. I forget which song it is (M.E.?) but there's one with a really nice electric violin part

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

https://youtu.be/Uu6MDdxBork

yospos.avi

wayfinder
Jul 7, 2003

Tayter Swift posted:

I had no idea that the "guitars" on metal were synths

guitars on this are definitely synths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHuuQdvkBuY

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug

Luigi Thirty posted:

there's a bass guitar but the rhythmic guitar sound is a synth run through an amplifier with the distortion cranked up. I forget which song it is (M.E.?) but there's one with a really nice electric violin part

yeah there's a couple w the violin I think, complex comes to mind

Clavavisage
Nov 12, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLmnici0bQU

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

frank zappa posted:

to me, II-V-I is the essence of bad 'white-person music.' American radio listeners, raised on _____ (fill in the blank), have experienced a musical horizon so small they cannot begin to know what they like.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer

Davd Longstreath posted:

Frank Zappa I loving hate. I think that poo poo is so loving nerdy. It’s technical in this way that’s really not musical. It’s not expressive. Yeah, I loving hate that poo poo. In particular, I loving hate Frank Zappa.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

I hate that music my professional musician friend and all his friends like that's all really technical or whatever but done with the m1 slap bass patch and just lol

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

theflyingexecutive posted:

I hate that music my professional musician friend and all his friends like that's all really technical or whatever but done with the m1 slap bass patch and just lol

if you like slap bass patches you would love jazz from hell

anyway, here is some nerdy and inexpressive music

http://youtu.be/imAWVWi5PIU

idk maybe you have to be a music nerd to fully appreciate it. I played ~brass instruments~ in school and was a hypernerd but the only real composing I did was arranging video game tunes for class.

Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jun 14, 2015

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer
i like zappa all right, but the idea of hating on music because it's simple or follows any particular progression is loving stupid

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Trig Discipline posted:

i like zappa all right, but the idea of hating on music because it's simple or follows any particular progression is loving stupid

it's from a book that I found on google books. the following paragraph is to the effect of "classical theory is just a set of 500 year old constraints, if it sounds good to you it's good, if it doesn't it's bad" so I guess his point is do whatever the hell you want

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer
i'm down with that. i really love dissonant and complex music, but i'm not impressed by something just because it's difficult to play or hard to listen to. you need to know more theory to write that stuff and have more skill to play it, but that doesn't make it better music. that really only impresses other musicians, and even most of them won't sit down and actually listen to your stuff on a regular basis; they'll look at it, go "holy poo poo i can't do that...good thing i don't want to", and move on to a piece of music that's actually emotionally engaging.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer
and fwiw the person i was quoting was the lead dude from the dirty projectors, who aren't exactly known for their simple and accessible arrangements. he was offended specifically because someone had compared him to zappa lol

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Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

complicated for complicated's sake is stupid dickwaving which he was certainly guilty of sometimes (the black page comes to mind) but he was also obsessed with Louie Louie so lol. it's like congratulations you can play the sounds of two dogs loving on a synclavier in a 15/7 time signature, who cares

alternatively my favorite thing is side 2 of the lamb lies down on Broadway so what the hell do I know about music

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