Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
Knuc U Kinte
Aug 17, 2004

Gibberish posted:

Needless to say, eikaiwa slave (Wed-Sun)

If you're in Tokyo, every night is weekend.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Knuc U Kinte posted:

If you're in Tokyo, every night is weekend.

nope

Knuc U Kinte
Aug 17, 2004


I haven't been in Tokyo for a few years now, but it definitely was when I was there. Iirc monday was my favourite night to go out.

Gibberish
Sep 17, 2002

by R. Guyovich
Friday and Saturday nights are the only good nights to go out, booze, club, and meet women. I'm not interested in Monday night snack or going to an izakaya or anything like that. Monday night salary man partying means going home at 12PM, which is a crime. Even Shibuya is drat near deserted by 1AM on Thursday.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

zmcnulty
Jul 26, 2003

Look, if you're in Ginza at 12:30am and a girl tells you she lives in Chiba or Saitama or some poo poo, she isn't going home. This is true any night of the week. Whether or not she goes home with you is a different discussion. There are enough nurses/hairdressers/baito/students out every night, surely one of them doesn't have to work tomorrow morning.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.
Where is that big shopping arcade in Nagoya again?

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

zmcnulty posted:

Look, if you're in Ginza at 12:30am and a girl tells you she lives in Chiba or Saitama or some poo poo, she isn't going home. This is true any night of the week. Whether or not she goes home with you is a different discussion. There are enough nurses/hairdressers/baito/students out every night, surely one of them doesn't have to work tomorrow morning.

MVP style posting

Giant Ethicist
Jun 9, 2013

Looks like she got on a loaf of bread instead of a bus again...

totalnewbie posted:

Where is that big shopping arcade in Nagoya again?

Osu? Yabacho, Kamimaezu and Osu Kannon are the three subway stations that abut it.

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Yeah. Once you get bored of Osu you can stroll north of Yabacho to Sakae and see the fancy branded stores. Any further north than that, and it's either you're looking for food or to get your willy sucked

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


Gibberish posted:

Fuckin' slick. Went to immigration and picked up my new gaijin card. I asked for 5 years on my visa application (after having lived here one year) and ended up getting 3 years. I was expecting to get poo-poo'd down to 1 year like a true untouchable monstrosity. Japan owns. Now I just have to find a job that lets me have a social life and friends!

Three years is pretty much the new minimum on extensions. They announced the new guidelines a few years back and have been doing it for at least a year. I think you might still get boned on conversions.

Gibberish
Sep 17, 2002

by R. Guyovich

Mr. Fix It posted:

Three years is pretty much the new minimum on extensions. They announced the new guidelines a few years back and have been doing it for at least a year. I think you might still get boned on conversions.

Actually, I went from Professor to Specialist in Humanities and still got the 3 year visa. It's nice knowing that, unlike my time in Korea, should I lose or change my job, I'll still be legal until 2018 no matter what. There's some comfort in that.

prinneh
Jul 29, 2005
prince of denmark

Gibberish posted:

Actually, I went from Professor to Specialist in Humanities and still got the 3 year visa. It's nice knowing that, unlike my time in Korea, should I lose or change my job, I'll still be legal until 2018 no matter what. There's some comfort in that.

what are you looking for work as again? And do you speak Japanese? Asking because we're hella low on jobs where I'm from.

Navaash
Aug 15, 2001

FEED ME


Mr. Fix It posted:

Three years is pretty much the new minimum on extensions. They announced the new guidelines a few years back and have been doing it for at least a year. I think you might still get boned on conversions.
You're wrong, I only got extended for one year this last April 2015. I can't catch a break :saddowns:

z0glin Warchief
May 16, 2007

Navaash posted:

You're wrong, I only got extended for one year this last April 2015. I can't catch a break :saddowns:

Are you from Europe or North America? If not, try to be from there instead of wherever you are currently from, that tends to help (anecdotally).

Navaash
Aug 15, 2001

FEED ME


z0glin Warchief posted:

Are you from Europe or North America? If not, try to be from there instead of wherever you are currently from, that tends to help (anecdotally).
I'm from the States, you mind clarifying your comment?

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Giant Ethicist posted:

Osu? Yabacho, Kamimaezu and Osu Kannon are the three subway stations that abut it.


Kessel posted:

Yeah. Once you get bored of Osu you can stroll north of Yabacho to Sakae and see the fancy branded stores. Any further north than that, and it's either you're looking for food or to get your willy sucked

Thanks, guys. Going for another work trip and couldn't remember what the place was called. Some interesting shops there, last time I visited, like the Old Timey Americana shop and the Alice in Wonderland themed cafe that had a tiny door.

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

totalnewbie posted:

Thanks, guys. Going for another work trip and couldn't remember what the place was called. Some interesting shops there, last time I visited, like the Old Timey Americana shop and the Alice in Wonderland themed cafe that had a tiny door.

I hope you get to see the cool dumb shiny robot that stumbles around it sometimes

Also the last time I was there, there was a wrestling ring set up in front of the temple and I watched some real amateur poo poo, it was awesome

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

I already miss japan :/ I got back in April

At this rate it's gonna end up being a yearly trip for me

z0glin Warchief
May 16, 2007

Navaash posted:

I'm from the States, you mind clarifying your comment?

Nothing special, just that, in my experience, people from wealthier countries that Japan likes seem to have less trouble getting longer term visas than people from say China or Russia. I sort of vaguely assume it's some (probably unofficial) policy to maximize the "good" type of immigrants, in a similar but less blatant way than America did with it's immigration quotas back when. It could also just be my imagination.

You're the first American I've heard of getting only a 1 year renewal on a what I'm assuming is a normal work visa* in quite a while; I guess you just got unlucky :( (or have some horrible secret :shrug: )

*Investor visas seems to have 1 year renewals pretty frequently still though

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

z0glin Warchief posted:

*Investor visas seems to have 1 year renewals pretty frequently still though

"Feel free to come and spend your money, but don't bother trying to stay" might as well be codified government policy on immigration at this point.

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

z0glin Warchief posted:

Nothing special, just that, in my experience, people from wealthier countries that Japan likes seem to have less trouble getting longer term visas than people from say China or Russia. I sort of vaguely assume it's some (probably unofficial) policy to maximize the "good" type of immigrants, in a similar but less blatant way than America did with it's immigration quotas back when. It could also just be my imagination.

You're the first American I've heard of getting only a 1 year renewal on a what I'm assuming is a normal work visa* in quite a while; I guess you just got unlucky :( (or have some horrible secret :shrug: )

*Investor visas seems to have 1 year renewals pretty frequently still though

No, your observation is correct. I have a number of friends who are involved with language/culture schools over here, and the visa discrimination based on nationality thing is real. Mind you, Japan is absolutely not the only country who does it - everybody does that poo poo.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Anyone been to Fuji Rock Festival? I could use some tips since I'm planning to go to Labyrinth Festival which is in the same location.

Anyway, I'm specifically asking because I was hoping to stay at the Naeba Prince Hotel instead of camping, except rates are all jacked up now. So I could use some pointers on finding accomodation in the area since it was the only place with an English website and I'm not really liking what I see so far on AirBNB. Thanks!

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Sheep posted:

"Feel free to come and spend your money, but don't bother trying to stay" might as well be codified government policy on immigration at this point.

It's called high/low fraudulent countries :ohdear:

OhYeah
Jan 20, 2007

1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state

Knuc U Kinte posted:

If you're in Tokyo, every night is weekend.

I stayed in Shibuya and I didn't get that impression at all. Maybe in Roppongi..

Sheep posted:

"Feel free to come and spend your money, but don't bother trying to stay" might as well be codified government policy on immigration at this point.

A very sensible and prudent policy. :)

Madd0g11
Jun 14, 2002
Bitter Vet
Lipstick Apathy

Up the game son.

zmcnulty posted:

Look, if you're in Ginza at 12:30am and a girl tells you she lives in Chiba or Saitama or some poo poo, she isn't going home. This is true any night of the week. Whether or not she goes home with you is a different discussion. There are enough nurses/hairdressers/baito/students out every night, surely one of them doesn't have to work tomorrow morning.

True Boss.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

air- posted:

Anyone been to Fuji Rock Festival? I could use some tips since I'm planning to go to Labyrinth Festival which is in the same location.

Anyway, I'm specifically asking because I was hoping to stay at the Naeba Prince Hotel instead of camping, except rates are all jacked up now. So I could use some pointers on finding accomodation in the area since it was the only place with an English website and I'm not really liking what I see so far on AirBNB. Thanks!

Camping's kinda the fun, from what I hear. Pop in to a recycle shop and you can probably find a secondhand tent and sleeping bag for pretty cheap.

GTGastby
Dec 28, 2006

Gibberish posted:

Actually, I went from Professor to Specialist in Humanities and still got the 3 year visa. It's nice knowing that, unlike my time in Korea, should I lose or change my job, I'll still be legal until 2018 no matter what. There's some comfort in that.

Just wanted to point out that this isn't exactly true. As with almost everything in Japan, it's ultimately a case by case thing. I can't find the Japanese law wording anymore, but had confirmed at some point that this article has a pretty good summary of the situation, while most other random internet forums and other links get it wrong:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2012/07/31/how-tos/how-would-changing-jobs-affect-my-visa/#.VXkaPfmqpBc

Summary is - you are fine to change to another job, provided the job applies to whatever your Visa category is. i.e., I would have trouble teaching English, as I have an Engineer visa, not a humanities one. However, if you lose/quit your job, you officially only have 90 days to get a new one (and it needs to match your visa). In practice, there is a clause in the law that has lead to immigration allowing people with valid visas to stay longer even if they don't have a job. This is a fairly recent thing. As the article says, the clause is along the lines of "[your visa is revoked after 90 days of being unemployed] unless engaging in authorized activities".

What has changed recently is that they now seem to consider "looking for a job" as an authorized activity. So as long as you prove you are looking for a job, you can stay. You cannot stay if you are just screwing around, or if you try working in a field unrelated to your visa. Of course, it's still obviously up to immigration - the law says 90 days, so they can ultimately kick you out if you don't have a job after that point if they want, which they used to regularly do up to a few years ago.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

GTGastby posted:

Just wanted to point out that this isn't exactly true. As with almost everything in Japan, it's ultimately a case by case thing. I can't find the Japanese law wording anymore, but had confirmed at some point that this article has a pretty good summary of the situation, while most other random internet forums and other links get it wrong:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2012/07/31/how-tos/how-would-changing-jobs-affect-my-visa/#.VXkaPfmqpBc

Summary is - you are fine to change to another job, provided the job applies to whatever your Visa category is. i.e., I would have trouble teaching English, as I have an Engineer visa, not a humanities one. However, if you lose/quit your job, you officially only have 90 days to get a new one (and it needs to match your visa). In practice, there is a clause in the law that has lead to immigration allowing people with valid visas to stay longer even if they don't have a job. This is a fairly recent thing. As the article says, the clause is along the lines of "[your visa is revoked after 90 days of being unemployed] unless engaging in authorized activities".

What has changed recently is that they now seem to consider "looking for a job" as an authorized activity. So as long as you prove you are looking for a job, you can stay. You cannot stay if you are just screwing around, or if you try working in a field unrelated to your visa. Of course, it's still obviously up to immigration - the law says 90 days, so they can ultimately kick you out if you don't have a job after that point if they want, which they used to regularly do up to a few years ago.

Is it 90? I thought it was 30, although that's Instructor and at least a year ago. I was kind of annoyed I was forced to pay into unemployment insurance but was (on paper at least) actually unable to ever claim it.

Gibberish
Sep 17, 2002

by R. Guyovich

prinneh posted:

what are you looking for work as again? And do you speak Japanese? Asking because we're hella low on jobs where I'm from.

Don't really care about the job type. Barely speak Japanese (been here 1 year), but I know enough to get by in some situations. Far from conversational.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Camping's kinda the fun, from what I hear. Pop in to a recycle shop and you can probably find a secondhand tent and sleeping bag for pretty cheap.

I've been to Coachella and camping at these kinds of things is definitely fun yeah, so finding a group to join would be my last resort. I will be on a RTW backpacking trip so I'm trying to travel as lightly as possible. Music festivals are where I'm willing to stretch my budget for lodging. Plus, generally getting the vibe that this isn't one where people party until the sun comes up every day, though I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

Pompous Rhombus posted:

Is it 90? I thought it was 30, although that's Instructor and at least a year ago. I was kind of annoyed I was forced to pay into unemployment insurance but was (on paper at least) actually unable to ever claim it.

Yeah the unemployment insurance thing definitely rubs me the wrong way, especially since employers can drag their feet on sending the documents to city hall with zero repercussions and thus gently caress you out of your money with impunity. Typical Japan but goddamn.

Anyways on to immigration!
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/zairyuu/torikeshi.html

quote:

Where a foreign national staying in Japan with the status of residence listed in the left-hand column of Appended Table I of the Immigration Control Act(Note)has failed to continue to engage in the activity corresponding to that status for three months or more (excluding the case where the foreign national has a justifiable reason for not engaging in the said activity);

If your SOR is work (or marriage) related you are required to be employed* in a field corresponding to your SOR or else the MOJ has the ability to cancel your SOR and begin the deportation procedure after 90 days have lapsed. What they define as applicable activities (or "justifiable reason" here) isn't as clear as you might think - for example if your company goes bankrupt and you lose your job through no fault of your own and it takes you more than 90 days to get a job, that's one of the specifically noted exceptions to the rule..

*Yes, you are required to engage in "spousal activities" to retain your spouse-based SOR. As to what those activities are, you be the judge! The upside is you only have to put out every six months instead of every three :v:

Edit: from this: http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/zairyuu/qa.html

quote:

Q17 I heard that even in the case where a foreign national with the status of residence of "Engineer" has resigned from a company and then has failed to continue to engage in the activity corresponding to his/her status of residence for three months or more, if he/she has a justifiable reason, his/her status of residence shall not be revoked. Is that true?
A.

Even in the case where a foreign national staying in Japan with the status of residence listed in the Appended Table I of the Immigration Control Act ("Engineer," "Skilled Labor," and "Student," etc.) has failed to continue to engage in the primary activity corresponding to that status for three months or more, if he/she has a justifiable reason for staying in Japan without engaging in said activity, he/she is not subject to the revocation of the status of residence.
Whether a foreign national has a justifiable reason shall be determined specifically on a case-by-case basis. For example, a foreign national may be deemed to have a justifiable reason in the following cases and he/she may not be subject to the revocation of the status of residence:

The case where a foreign national is deemed to have carried out specific job-hunting endeavors after resigning from a company, such as visiting other companies for looking for a new workplace
The case where a foreign national has been taking procedures necessary for entering another educational institution after the closure of the educational institution he/she had been enrolled in
The case where a foreign national who needs long-term hospitalization for medical treatment and is forced to take a leave of absence from the educational institution, has an intention to resume his studies at the educational institution after leaving the hospital
The case where a foreign student who has graduated from an advanced vocational school has been accepted for enrollment by a Japanese university
The key phrases for those who missed them are "case-by-case basis" and "may be deemed to", thus whims of bureaucrats as usual. Good luck!

Sheep fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jun 11, 2015

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Wait, what? I have to prove that I'm engaging in "spousal activities"?

I'm now about to finally get my spouse visa and I didn't know about that.

Kessel
Mar 6, 2007

Babies for Abenomics. Do your bit

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
do they really want the glorious nihonjin race diluted with blond-haired babies?

日本人論ポール二千十六

Soricidus fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jun 12, 2015

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

Shibawanko posted:

Wait, what? I have to prove that I'm engaging in "spousal activities"?

I'm now about to finally get my spouse visa and I didn't know about that.

I think it's so old Japanese men who marry SE Asian women (aka 90% of the long-term resident foreign immigrants to Japan) don't wind up with spouses who won't have sex with them once they acquire their SOR.

I'm only half joking, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that was part of the reason for the ambiguous wording. This way they can revoke your SOR if you get a divorce or fail to give up the poon, 一石二鳥 and all that.

Big Willy Style
Feb 11, 2007

How many Astartes do you know that roll like this?


Which one of you is this?

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

Sheep posted:

I think it's so old Japanese men who marry SE Asian women (aka 90% of the long-term resident foreign immigrants to Japan) don't wind up with spouses who won't have sex with them once they acquire their SOR.

I'm only half joking, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that was part of the reason for the ambiguous wording. This way they can revoke your SOR if you get a divorce or fail to give up the poon, 一石二鳥 and all that.

I'm a man and i'm going to send them pictures of myself doing traditional housewife chores in an apron and feather duster.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


You just need a bicycle with two child seats and grocery bags hanging off the handles.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Big Willy Style posted:



Which one of you is this?

This legit almost looks like maddog haha

  • Locked thread