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pram: Jun 10, 2001

Athas posted:

Why isn't there a year of Linux on the compute server thread? I need to ask opinions about OpenSuSE. Can I just pretend it's for desktop?

lol at europeans using suse

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# ? May 10, 2024 12:41

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

what's the latest in linux news. has there been any hilarious melodrama among the codewarriors of cyberspace? let me know

# ? Jun 10, 2015 15:55

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

what's the latest in linux news. has there been any hilarious melodrama among the codewarriors of cyberspace? let me know

the head of kubuntu was forced out

# ? Jun 10, 2015 19:14

Baxate: Feb 1, 2011

Captain Foo posted:

the head of kubuntu was forced out

behead those who insult kubuntu

# ? Jun 10, 2015 20:00

angry_keebler: Jul 16, 2006; In His presence the mountains quake and the hills melt away; the earth trembles and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before His fierce anger?

this is my linux story

the last time i tried installing linux the bootloader couldn't install and then i reformatted the linux partition and then instaled it again and i had the same problem but then the third time i did this it inexplicably worked

this was my linux story thank you for reading it

# ? Jun 10, 2015 20:23

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

is anybody else cool enough to use nixos?

i use it for my desktop, but not on my workservers yet. i really should though. it's pretty boss.

# ? Jun 10, 2015 20:47

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

so loving future posted:

is anybody else cool enough to use nixos?

i use it for my desktop, but not on my workservers yet. i really should though. it's pretty boss.

what's its killerapp?

# ? Jun 10, 2015 20:58

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

what's its killerapp?

nix package manager + declarative, reproducible, rollbackable system configuration

it's pretty holy grail, except for the fact that the config language is basically the worst and least intuitive thing any human could have ever possibly invented

# ? Jun 10, 2015 21:08

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Captain Foo posted:

the head of kubuntu was forced out

forced how?

# ? Jun 10, 2015 21:57

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Subjunctive posted:

forced how?

https://lwn.net/Articles/645973/

# ? Jun 10, 2015 22:13

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Suspicious Dish posted:

https://lwn.net/Articles/645973/

contempt of community council?

# ? Jun 10, 2015 22:58

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Sometimes when I browse SA using Epiphany the font kerning is turbo-hosed as opposed to just regular-hosed

idk if I should blame Freetype/Pango/whatever or I should blame the shambling horror that is the forums CSS (plus whatever web fonts it might or might load at any given moment while changes are being yolo-tested in production)

# ? Jun 10, 2015 23:23

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Mr Dog posted:

Freetype/Pango/whatever

# ? Jun 10, 2015 23:30

gabensraum: Sep 16, 2003; LOAD "NICE!",8,1

so loving future posted:

nix package manager + declarative, reproducible, rollbackable system configuration

it's pretty holy grail, except for the fact that the config language is basically the worst and least intuitive thing any human could have ever possibly invented

my requirements for a distro is that it must be exactly the same as all other distros but change the look and feel in some minor way championed by the author. this appears to be trying something fundamentally different, do they think they're better than everyone else?

# ? Jun 11, 2015 01:17

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Mr Dog posted:

Sometimes when I browse SA using Epiphany

# ? Jun 11, 2015 01:33

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

gabensraum posted:

my requirements for a distro is that it must be exactly the same as all other distros but change the look and feel in some minor way championed by the author. this appears to be trying something fundamentally different, do they think they're better than everyone else?

oh you're one of those folks that thinks a distro is a window manager lol OMG UNITY IS HORRIBLE I CANT EVEN USE UBUNTU NOW

# ? Jun 11, 2015 02:33

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

so loving future posted:

oh you're one of those folks that thinks a distro is a window manager lol OMG UNITY IS HORRIBLE I CANT EVEN USE UBUNTU NOW

not sure if ur a yospos culture fit hoss

# ? Jun 11, 2015 02:36

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Smythe posted:

not sure if ur a yospos culture fit hoss

pretty sure the correct response is "thanks"?

# ? Jun 11, 2015 02:41

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Suspicious Dish posted:

do you know if the application uses standard server-side decorations or if it is doing its own thing? from the custom setup you described it sounds like the app is skipping wm decorations, in which case there's not much the wm can do

the main 'application' we run on these systems is gnome-terminal and that's where I see the issue. our own software is sufficiently alpha that it's 100% text ui, and no fancy poo poo like *curses or even color codes either

# ? Jun 11, 2015 02:56

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

ok, that's server-side stuff, and i just verified here that changing that setting affects border width on gnome-terminal here. not sure what's going on with you, but i don't really have a copy of fedora 17 to test with.

# ? Jun 11, 2015 02:59

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Subjunctive posted:

forced how?

you can't force how

# ? Jun 11, 2015 03:05

gabensraum: Sep 16, 2003; LOAD "NICE!",8,1

so loving future posted:

oh you're one of those folks that thinks a distro is a window manager lol OMG UNITY IS HORRIBLE I CANT EVEN USE UBUNTU NOW

i didn't even know what linux was in 1997 but installed red hat 4.2 because i saw enlightenment screenshots so guilty i guess

postscritp: didn't get enlightenment working but i did eventually figure out i had to type startx to get a gui

# ? Jun 11, 2015 03:15

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795

EFL is apparently pretty bad

quote:

It was written by a C programmer who �doesn�t like the notion of �type� in programming�. Let that be a prelude of what�s to follow.

# ? Jun 11, 2015 05:50

bobbilljim: May 29, 2013; this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me

eschaton posted:

you can't force how

i like it

how, that is

# ? Jun 11, 2015 06:44

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Mr Dog posted:

http://what.thedailywtf.com/t/enlightened/8795

EFL is apparently pretty bad

quote:

Everything is a pointer to something called Evas_Object, which translates to void *. Those knowledgeable in the horrible language of C know it�s a pointer to anything. And so it is. Everything you create is an Evas_Object and every function takes an Evas_Object as the subject to work on.

lol

# ? Jun 11, 2015 07:36

moonshine is......: Feb 21, 2007

Here's my linux trip report, I installed Debian. The wifi card was a problem and dropped connection at random intervals and required a full ifconfig cycling to get it working again. I searched all over and entered lsusb results and all that crap, and finally found some github somewhere with rtl new, so i installed git and then did all the poo poo I had to do to get that stuff compiled and working.

Oh and my built in 4g hotspot didn't work either. There's one reference to it on google by some german guy who says it should work, but it looked like i was going to spend all night echoing poo poo into my /sys/bus/whatever to manually bind a driver to it. So I stopped that right there.

Then I didn't really use it because I was tired of fiddling with it, and since it's linux I expected to discover something else broken. So put windows 8 back on.

hth

moonshine is...... fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jun 11, 2015

# ? Jun 11, 2015 07:36

moonshine is......: Feb 21, 2007

pre:

In order to unbind a device from a driver, simply write the bus id of the device to the unbind file:

    echo -n "1-1:1.0" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/ub/unbind

and the device will no longer be bound to the driver:

    $ tree /sys/bus/usb/drivers/ub/
    /sys/bus/usb/drivers/ub/
    |-- bind
    |-- module -> ../../../../module/ub
    `-- unbind

yeh grandma no it's easy look simply write teh bus id of the device to the unbind file, no that won't fix it come on it's just a computer its simple we've only got 300 more steps then we can work on the otehr broken stuff!

# ? Jun 11, 2015 07:57

Celexi: Nov 25, 2006; Can't post for 13 hours!

moonshine is...... posted:

Here's my linux trip report, I installed Debian.

lmao you installed debian

hosed up

# ? Jun 11, 2015 08:12

Rahu: Feb 14, 2009; let me just check my figures real quick here; Grimey Drawer

I have debian on my laptop and it is v nice :3:

# ? Jun 11, 2015 08:47

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

so loving future posted:

is anybody else cool enough to use nixos?

i use it for my desktop, but not on my workservers yet. i really should though. it's pretty boss.

im waiting for lenny pottering to make it usable in fedora or whatever, op

# ? Jun 11, 2015 09:44

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

so loving future posted:

nix package manager + declarative, reproducible, rollbackable system configuration

it's pretty holy grail, except for the fact that the config language is basically the worst and least intuitive thing any human could have ever possibly invented

these look like weird makefiles. how do you do config management

# ? Jun 11, 2015 09:45

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

moonshine is...... posted:

Here's my linux trip report, I installed Debian. The wifi card was a problem and dropped connection at random intervals and required a full ifconfig cycling to get it working again. I searched all over and entered lsusb results and all that crap, and finally found some github somewhere with rtl new, so i installed git and then did all the poo poo I had to do to get that stuff compiled and working.

Oh and my built in 4g hotspot didn't work either. There's one reference to it on google by some german guy who says it should work, but it looked like i was going to spend all night echoing poo poo into my /sys/bus/whatever to manually bind a driver to it. So I stopped that right there.

Then I didn't really use it because I was tired of fiddling with it, and since it's linux I expected to discover something else broken. So put windows 8 back on.

hth

congrats on wasting your precious life force on linux. don't feel too bad. im sure we've all done it at least once.

but now you've learned your lesson. dont keep "trying other distros" because its the same poo poo, different color for each one. they're all bad, and they'll all waste your time for one reason or another.

# ? Jun 11, 2015 13:27

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

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the desktop

# ? Jun 11, 2015 14:09

med school head: Apr 17, 2012

Last Chance posted:

congrats on wasting your precious life force on linux. don't feel too bad. im sure we've all done it at least once.

but now you've learned your lesson. dont keep "trying other distros" because its the same poo poo, different color for each one. they're all bad, and they'll all waste your time for one reason or another.

yep close thread

# ? Jun 11, 2015 14:57

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

my stepdads beer posted:

these look like weird makefiles. how do you do config management

using that same awful language you write machine level config:

code:

  services = {
    xserver = {
      enable = true;
      layout = "us";
      xkbOptions = "caps:ctrl_modifier";

      displayManager.lightdm.enable = true;

      windowManager.xmonad = {
        enable = true;
        enableContribAndExtras = true;
      };

      resolutions = [ { x = 1920; y = 1080; }
                      { x = 1440; y = 900; } ];
    }
  }

also like package versions and stuff. it's sort of neat to not have your entire system just a stateful pile of poo poo that has slowly evolved, but instead have it all written down -- without the overhead of using salt or puppet or chef

the more actually useful feature is that you have virtualenv like environments that you can develop in like, here's for a node server thingie

code:

with import <nixpkgs> {}; {
  nodeEnv = stdenv.mkDerivation {
    name = "node-env";
    buildInputs = [ stdenv pkgconfig libunistring icu expat nodejs redis which ];
    shellHook = ''
      for i in $nativeBuildInputs; do
        CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=$CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH:$i/include
        LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$i/lib
      done
      export CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH
      export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
    '';
  };
}

you just load that up, and you can do stuff within your isolated environment

# ? Jun 11, 2015 16:00