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binge crotching
Apr 2, 2010

MilkmanLuke posted:

Yeah, it was to be made from a sawdust/ice composite material. It was called Pykrete. They got as far as some scale tests done in Canada but it didn't come to fruition.

I think the project got canceled because it took way too long to get a proper ship up and running, and by then the US was pumping out a new carrier every week or two.

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GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

SeaTard posted:

I think the project got canceled because it took way too long to get a proper ship up and running, and by then the US was pumping out a new carrier every week or two.

The time was actually not that big of a concern, it was more the fact that it used up far to much steel (very valuable resource in war time) and that the allies got permission to use the Azores for refueling. The increased production capacity for escort carriers played a role as well though.

Tulul
Oct 23, 2013

THAT SOUND WILL FOLLOW ME TO HELL.
The Habakkuk is probably one of the more amusingly terrible WWII projects on the books. The whole point of it was to build a relatively cheap carrier that could deal with U-boats in the Atlantic without using any steel, except it A) required more steel for insulation than would actually take to build a regular carrier, B) cost a shitload of money, and C) would have been done like a month before the war in Europe ended.

Oh and it could move like 6 knots absolute max and it still would have melted in a few years.

So terrible.

PBJ posted:

Is it crazy that I want to see some sort of Sunset Invasion-esque DLC for HoI4? Like allow the player to invest in nation-specific superweapon projects that are unlocked when the right tech researched.

I just want my not!Captain America to fight Wolfenstein/Hydra Germany and Stalin Superscience Soviet Union.

I want an actual Sunset Invasion DLC, like what happens when you import a CK2 save into EU4. Can the might of Karling Europe stand against a second Yaotlalli?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I want a proper alien invasion HOI4 DLC. Not like the alien invasion console command, that crapped out a bunch of generic top-tier units with no leadership, but an actual alien invasion with an event chain surrounding it, that could occur within the bounds of an ongoing grand campaign (like Sunset Invasion happening in the middle of an ongoing CK2 grand campaign, rather than having a standard 'alien invasion start scenario'), unique units for the aliens, and everything. It could unlock whole new national decision trees about whether to make peace with your wartime enemies and try to fight the aliens, or try to side with the aliens in exchange for weird alien technology (but risking them getting much stronger and taking over land and eventually turning on you), or whatever. The aliens could have special alien infiltration espionage that would try to subvert AI countries and cause bad effects within their enemies. Have a new tech tree where humanity tries to use our creativity and ingenuity to come up with ways to exploit alien weaknesses. Have it so eventually you're nuking the aliens and fighting them with ray guns reversed engineered from captured alien tech. You could even have it so the aliens' interstellar enemies drop by to lend a hand to the embattled humans. I would trust Paradox to pull it off and I would play the hell out of it.

ArchRanger
Mar 19, 2007
I'm tired of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're goin' and meet up with 'em there.

vyelkin posted:

I want a proper alien invasion HOI4 DLC. Not like the alien invasion console command, that crapped out a bunch of generic top-tier units with no leadership, but an actual alien invasion with an event chain surrounding it, that could occur within the bounds of an ongoing grand campaign (like Sunset Invasion happening in the middle of an ongoing CK2 grand campaign, rather than having a standard 'alien invasion start scenario'), unique units for the aliens, and everything. It could unlock whole new national decision trees about whether to make peace with your wartime enemies and try to fight the aliens, or try to side with the aliens in exchange for weird alien technology (but risking them getting much stronger and taking over land and eventually turning on you), or whatever. The aliens could have special alien infiltration espionage that would try to subvert AI countries and cause bad effects within their enemies. Have a new tech tree where humanity tries to use our creativity and ingenuity to come up with ways to exploit alien weaknesses. Have it so eventually you're nuking the aliens and fighting them with ray guns reversed engineered from captured alien tech. You could even have it so the aliens' interstellar enemies drop by to lend a hand to the embattled humans. I would trust Paradox to pull it off and I would play the hell out of it.

You want a paradox XCOM grand strategy game. Now I do too.

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
I think that was a shooter series.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



vyelkin posted:

I want a proper alien invasion HOI4 DLC. Not like the alien invasion console command, that crapped out a bunch of generic top-tier units with no leadership, but an actual alien invasion with an event chain surrounding it, that could occur within the bounds of an ongoing grand campaign (like Sunset Invasion happening in the middle of an ongoing CK2 grand campaign, rather than having a standard 'alien invasion start scenario'), unique units for the aliens, and everything. It could unlock whole new national decision trees about whether to make peace with your wartime enemies and try to fight the aliens, or try to side with the aliens in exchange for weird alien technology (but risking them getting much stronger and taking over land and eventually turning on you), or whatever. The aliens could have special alien infiltration espionage that would try to subvert AI countries and cause bad effects within their enemies. Have a new tech tree where humanity tries to use our creativity and ingenuity to come up with ways to exploit alien weaknesses. Have it so eventually you're nuking the aliens and fighting them with ray guns reversed engineered from captured alien tech. You could even have it so the aliens' interstellar enemies drop by to lend a hand to the embattled humans. I would trust Paradox to pull it off and I would play the hell out of it.

I've wanted this for ages and I hope to God Paradox comes up with it. If not, anyone want to start a mod team for it?

V for Vegas
Sep 1, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Johan Andersson @producerjohan posted:

Holy poo poo! 21 years in the industry and still I get surprised when stuff exceeds expectations..

Johan Andersson @producerjohan posted:

Exactly what are we doing right? Every single EU4 expansion sells more than the previous, and the playerbase just grows.. @E_Universalis

Johan Andersson @producerjohan posted:

I mean... don't all devs play their own games more than other games, and keep talking about them all the time?

Keep 'em comin' guys!

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Next stop:
    Rome 2
    Vicky 3
    New Intergalactic 4x
    evolutionary instead of map widening expansions for CK2

Ghetto Prince
Sep 11, 2010

got to be mellow, y'all
What do you do to a province to give it the 1000 soldier garrison? Just build it to 20 development score?

[edit] I guess its a mix of total development and manpower development?

Ghetto Prince fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jun 11, 2015

Vodos
Jul 17, 2009

And how do we do that? We hurt a lot of people...

Ghetto Prince posted:

What do you do to a province to give it the 1000 soldier garrison? Just build it to 20 development score?

[edit] I guess its a mix of total development and manpower development?

Capitals get +1 fort level, it has nothing to do with development.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

zedprime posted:

Next stop:
    Rome 2
    Vicky 3
    New Intergalactic 4x
    evolutionary instead of map widening expansions for CK2

New and exciting direction for updating games based on Capcom:

Ultra HOI4 Turbo Edition

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR

Alchenar posted:

New and exciting direction for updating games based on Capcom:

Ultra HOI4 Turbo Edition

I want to now petition a name change of Horse Lords to Mecha Djingis Khan Turbo Extreme

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

zedprime posted:

Next stop:
    Rome 2
    Vicky 3
    New Intergalactic 4x
    evolutionary instead of map widening expansions for CK2

You are stoned if you think the CK2 dev team will ever make a good expansion again

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR

Larry Parrish posted:

You are stoned if you think the CK2 dev team will ever make a good expansion again

Well I must be doing something right because you are so dedicated to smack talking everything I do. Usually when I don't like something I forget about it

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

3 Moves Ahead talk about the HOI4 multiplayer game. Just got to the bit where they say 'feels like it's 9 months away from release'.

e: they're talking about the airforce reserve. :ohdear:

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jun 11, 2015

YF-23
Feb 17, 2011

My god, it's full of cat!


Ghetto Prince posted:

What do you do to a province to give it the 1000 soldier garrison? Just build it to 20 development score?

[edit] I guess its a mix of total development and manpower development?

Like Vodos said, the 1K man garrison is only for the capital. Provinces now either have a fort, or they don't; and forts cost maintenance and have a zone of control so you're not supposed to have a garrison in every province.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

zedprime posted:

evolutionary instead of map widening expansions for CK2[/list]

Might as well work on CK3.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Groogy posted:

Well I must be doing something right because you are so dedicated to smack talking everything I do. Usually when I don't like something I forget about it

The India expansion was pretty pointless, dunno if you did that one

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

People discussing Paradox games in the Paradox thread? :eyepop:

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

What I don't think you realise is that Crusader Kings 2 is literally the worst game called Crusader Kings 2 ever made

Westminster System
Jul 4, 2009
I hope Genghis gets an event every day to sire yet another gene carrier.

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Alchenar posted:

3 Moves Ahead talk about the HOI4 multiplayer game. Just got to the bit where they say 'feels like it's 9 months away from release'.

e: they're talking about the airforce reserve. :ohdear:

I think that cast would've been better with Chick and Geryk because I think they would've been a bit more amenable to a game being a ww2 wargame. That being said, if it wants to be a ww2 wargame it's going to need some kind of level of structure to make the allies more restrained. Also, the impact of the minor powers is going to have to be reduced.

It's kind of got two pushes- one to be an empire builder, fun for any country you pick, one to be a ww2 game about winning the big one, and I think they have to have some different sacrifices.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Panzeh posted:

I think that cast would've been better with Chick and Geryk because I think they would've been a bit more amenable to a game being a ww2 wargame. That being said, if it wants to be a ww2 wargame it's going to need some kind of level of structure to make the allies more restrained. Also, the impact of the minor powers is going to have to be reduced.

It's kind of got two pushes- one to be an empire builder, fun for any country you pick, one to be a ww2 game about winning the big one, and I think they have to have some different sacrifices.

I haven't listened to this episode yet, I really should, but drat, how could they have not gotten Bruce to talk about the game about WW2?

Grognard Games crossover: Bruce calling War in the Pacific unplayable was sweet.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
I haven't paid any attention to CK2 since Rajas but after this announcement I read the Paradox forums a little; am I being really selective in what I'm seeing, or are lots of people talking about China as something that might definitely happen now? :eyepop: I thought it was an impossibility

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Koramei posted:

I haven't paid any attention to CK2 since Rajas but after this announcement I read the Paradox forums a little; am I being really selective in what I'm seeing, or are lots of people talking about China as something that might definitely happen now? :eyepop: I thought it was an impossibility

Map is expanding into at least Outer Mongolia.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.

gradenko_2000 posted:

I haven't listened to this episode yet, I really should, but drat, how could they have not gotten Bruce to talk about the game about WW2?

Grognard Games crossover: Bruce calling War in the Pacific unplayable was sweet.

Well, this episode was specifically about that big multiplayer event that was just run, so maybe Bruce wasn't there?

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Rincewind posted:

Well, this episode was specifically about that big multiplayer event that was just run, so maybe Bruce wasn't there?

Yeah, I imagine that's it, and I imagine i'll get a chance to hear Bruce(and maybe Tom's) take on Hoi4 in the future.

A Handed Missus
Aug 6, 2012


I hate Crusader Kings 2 so much that after I bought it a year ago I only played it for 50 minutes.

Then I reinstalled it last week and now I have 50 hours on it :(

Vodos
Jul 17, 2009

And how do we do that? We hurt a lot of people...

quill18 posted a video of the HoI 4 multiplayer press event, looks nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPB6KF7JCKw

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

A Handed Missus posted:

I hate Crusader Kings 2 so much that after I bought it a year ago I only played it for 50 minutes.

Then I reinstalled it last week and now I have 50 hours on it :(

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
I hope HoI4 gets a DLC that adds a 1925 start date and allows you to turn the USSR Left Opposition into a civil war

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



So Rome Gold is $2.49. Is Wiz's mod that turns it into an actual playable game still around? If so I might pick it up, it's the only PDS game I've never played.

ArchangeI
Jul 15, 2010

Vodos posted:

quill18 posted a video of the HoI 4 multiplayer press event, looks nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPB6KF7JCKw

The invasion of Yugoslavia looks like a complete clusterfuck on the Italian side.

Realism!

Playing the whole game on fast speed with no pauses probably didn't help.

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





Is there any real trick to industrialization in vicky 2? What should I be doing as the US?

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Drone posted:

So Rome Gold is $2.49. Is Wiz's mod that turns it into an actual playable game still around? If so I might pick it up, it's the only PDS game I've never played.

I couldn't get the mod to work on steam, even though I was told it should. Et tu Paradox...

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

cheesetriangles posted:

Is there any real trick to industrialization in vicky 2? What should I be doing as the US?

Capitalists take a little bit of their savings over from their old POP when they promote, and those savings are vital for starting the industrialisation process if you can't build factories yourself with state capitalism or planned economy. After you have a factory up, though, the profits from that factory are split 50/50 between workers and capitalists, with the capitalists then taking spending for life/daily/luxury needs out of the profits before reinvesting the remainder. Hence:

1. If you have state capitalism/planned economy, ignore capitalists
2. If you have interventionism/laissez faire and existing factories, ignore capitalists
3. If you have interventionism/laissez faire and no factories, promote capitalists until you have factories, then go to 2.

NB this works on a state by state basis, as I don't think capitalists are able to build factories in states they don't reside in.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Vodos posted:

quill18 posted a video of the HoI 4 multiplayer press event, looks nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPB6KF7JCKw

Gotta just say again, for all everyone says about how the game mechanics and flow need developing, it's incredibly beautiful. Pdox guys buy your art team some bacon vodka, they deserve it.

e: oh god that whole 'drawing axis of attack' on the map thing is literally everything I wanted coming off HOI3. I really hope it all comes together.

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jun 12, 2015

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Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
Agreed with the axis of attack. When I saw him switch to a paint tool, I thought, "what is he painting on the ma-OH HOLY poo poo"

Though is it going to have more functionality than the "battle plans" in HOI3? That is to say, any at all?

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