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RevKrule posted:The GOP has canceled the Iowa straw poll. 3 posts above you  This is depressing. One less horse race 
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I wonder if this causes a major rift in candidates. Candidates like Cruz and Carson could have used the straw poll to help bolster their chances and now those chances have been taken from them. Also, how much money has been spent by candidates in Iowa that is now wasted? Doesn't this make Iowa even less important than it ever should have been?
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Jun 12, 2015 16:25
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I wonder if this causes a major rift in candidates. Candidates like Cruz and Carson could have used the straw poll to help bolster their chances and now those chances have been taken from them. I am pretty sure they still would host the caucus though? I thought the straw poll was something else.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:28
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Okay, I thought that they were connected. How much time is between the straw poll and the caucus? If there is a lot of time between them, then that is money and campaigning time that could have been spent elsewhere.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:31
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Cruz will go to Iowa anyways and start his own straw poll there
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Jun 12, 2015 16:39
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/jeb-bush-to-women-on-welfare-in-1994-get-a-husband/ He is starting to look like the easiest to beat in the general, he really was the dumb one the entire time 
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Jun 12, 2015 16:41
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Now we just need to end caucuses and Iowa being the first in the nation bullshit.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:44
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Tuvok Obama 
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Jun 12, 2015 16:44
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The question that must be asked: Is Bernie Sanders’ presidential run a rape fantasy?
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Jun 12, 2015 16:44
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Winkie01 posted:http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/jeb-bush-to-women-on-welfare-in-1994-get-a-husband/ Just lol. Really, lol you loving rear end in a top hat.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:49
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:The question that must be asked: Is Bernie Sanders’ presidential run a rape fantasy? I see they are at it again. I feel sorry for Hillary because those people are horrible and having them in her corner is not something she would probably ever ask for.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:53
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Okay, I thought that they were connected. How much time is between the straw poll and the caucus? If there is a lot of time between them, then that is money and campaigning time that could have been spent elsewhere. The straw poll is in August, almost a half year before the caucus. The Democrats don't have a straw poll. The GOP basically used it as a party fundraising tool by charging huge rates for the prime locations in the straw poll grounds, and campaigns are usually forced to pay the entry fee for supporters who they bus in because Iowans generally aren't excited to travel to the straw poll. In the past the GOP was able to keep it going because top-tier candidates used to compete, but last time almost everyone but Ron Paul sat out and Michelle Bachmann won the straw poll. This year it was really looking like it was going to be a clown show, so they scrapped it mostly out of fear that this unimportant fundraising tool might generate criticism that could put Iowa's first in the nation status in jeopardy.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:54
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Winkie01 posted:http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/jeb-bush-to-women-on-welfare-in-1994-get-a-husband/ He's a Republican and also Dubya's brother, what did you expect?
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Winkie01 posted:http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/11/politics/jeb-bush-to-women-on-welfare-in-1994-get-a-husband/ I think it's indicative of how politics has changed over time (in this case, for the better) since a lot of the sexist stuff Jeb and other Republicans have said were more broadly acceptable when they were first said, and are only catching up to them now that they're back in the spotlight. The younger Republicans are a little luckier in that respect since their history's shorter so they don't have to answer for statements made in an earlier paradigm. One of Hillary's advantages may be that she's been in the spotlight continuously, so the chance of some forgotten statement or position of hers coming back to hurt her is lessened.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:57
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Now we just need to end caucuses and Iowa being the first in the nation bullshit. That is not going to happen. The GOP and Dems in Iowa have a solid pact that they will always work together no matter who is in power to reschedule their caucus before any other state votes, no matter what. If someone moves to early January, Iowa will immediately move to December. It is very easy to move a caucus because they are just party meetings and no one is elected to anything, so its not like they'd also have to move state and local elections around to accomodate like other states have to for primaries. Last time there was a movement towards the front, someone high-profile in Iowa government either the speaker or governor I think, declared "If they vote in August, then we'll vote in July!". Northjayhawk fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Jun 12, 2015 16:58
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Anime Curator posted:Cruz will go to Iowa anyways and start his own straw poll there "With blackjack! And hookers!" Northjayhawk posted:That is not going to happen. The GOP and Dems in Iowa have a solid pact that they will always work together no matter who is in power to reschedule their caucus before any other state votes, no matter what. If someone moves to early January, Iowa will immediately move to December. loving Iowa. It's like their only claim to fame--that they get to go first every four years. I guess it's because they know that no one would give a poo poo about them if they didn't.
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Alter Ego posted:loving Iowa. It's like their only claim to fame--that they get to go first every four years. I guess it's because they know that no one would give a poo poo about them if they didn't. Its worth an awful lot of money to Iowa. Campaigns spend way too much time and money for Iowa's few delegates to prove that they are viable, and they aren't going to give it up.
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Jun 12, 2015 17:05
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 Intrade I miss you.Rubio and Walker would have gone through the roof right about now, maybe a good time to buy some Jeb.
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The cancelling of the Iowa (née Ames) Straw Poll is actually bad for the Republican Party. The event never picked winners, but it was good for winnowing candidates, which the Republicans really, really need to do right now. Tim Pawlenty cancelled his 2012 campaign after finishing a distant third in the Straw Poll behind Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul, then joined the Romney campaign. The GOP could have reformed the event and made it less about who had the better BBQ and country music, but they chose to just get rid of it instead, which is a sort of metaphor for everything about the GOP.
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Jun 12, 2015 17:26
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Maybe they should... cancel the GOP?
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Joementum posted:The cancelling of the Iowa (née Ames) Straw Poll is actually bad for the Republican Party. The event never picked winners, but it was good for winnowing candidates, which the Republicans really, really need to do right now. Tim Pawlenty cancelled his 2012 campaign after finishing a distant third in the Straw Poll behind Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul, then joined the Romney campaign. The GOP could have reformed the event and made it less about who had the better BBQ and country music, but they chose to just get rid of it instead, which is a sort of metaphor for everything about the GOP. Do you think they're afraid of it just being a kook sweepstakes and prolonging the parade of nutjobs?
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Jun 12, 2015 17:33
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SedanChair posted:Do you think they're afraid of it just being a kook sweepstakes and prolonging the parade of nutjobs? I don't think the straw pool ends the Republican nomination process sooooo
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Jun 12, 2015 17:37
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SedanChair posted:Do you think they're afraid of it just being a kook sweepstakes and prolonging the parade of nutjobs? It's always one, though. Paul used to dominate it because he literally bussed people in, the fringe always won it because they went around shouting "THIS IS SO IMPORTANT" while everyone who actually knew what politics was said 'nah not really'. It only served to give the 'I'm just here to sell my books' guys a nice window to bow out when the truly crazy folks win it and the moderates don't give a poo poo. This is going to be what prolongs things because now there's even less chances to go 'ok I'm clearly not the lead here, I've gotten my name in the news plenty, I can still take a few snipes and poo poo from the side, I'll just leave now'.
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SedanChair posted:Do you think they're afraid of it just being a kook sweepstakes and prolonging the parade of nutjobs? Without any of the serious candidates agreeing to participate, and with the specter of Donald Trump entering the race, the chances of it being an embarrassment to the party were very high. Which, again, is why the GOP should refuse to acknowledge Donald Trump's candidacy, but again, it's the GOP.
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Joementum posted:Without any of the serious candidates agreeing to participate, and with the specter of Donald Trump entering the race, the chances of it being an embarrassment to the party were very high. Do you think they're genuinely worried if they ignore him he'll go third party and drag some teaparty types with him? He seems just egotistical and stupid enough to legitimately fracture the party if they don't hug him enough.
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Joementum posted:The cancelling of the Iowa (née Ames) Straw Poll is actually bad for the Republican Party. The event never picked winners, but it was good for winnowing candidates, which the Republicans really, really need to do right now. Tim Pawlenty cancelled his 2012 campaign after finishing a distant third in the Straw Poll behind Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul, then joined the Romney campaign. The GOP could have reformed the event and made it less about who had the better BBQ and country music, but they chose to just get rid of it instead, which is a sort of metaphor for everything about the GOP. I think the problem is that the field is so huge that the straw poll would have been unlikely to help an establishment candidate like Bush, Walker, or Rubio. With almost 20 people, it would have likely gone to some kook. Likewise, I can't imagine anyone being discouraged by losing a straw poll of 20 people. That can be easily written off as due to the crowded field. So if the GOP's goal is to get a "normal" candidate elected, and it is, then there's no way the straw poll could help them. Bonus points if it was canceled specifically to protect Bush, who isn't campaigning in Iowa, from Walker, who's probably strongest there.
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Joementum posted:Which, again, is why the GOP should refuse to acknowledge Donald Trump's candidacy, but again, it's the GOP. As inept as Trump is, having him declare a media war on you can be a real nuisance. The guy knows how to get on camera.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Do you think they're genuinely worried if they ignore him he'll go third party and drag some teaparty types with him? He seems just egotistical and stupid enough to legitimately fracture the party if they don't hug him enough. I think they're worried that shutting him out of events will make them look undemocratic, but that's part of the purpose of political parties.
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Jun 12, 2015 17:44
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You know, like if Obama were some ultra-rational guy. Like, a Vulcan. Tuvok
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Also, thinking about it more, Walker should be pissed. He's polling the strongest in Iowa, despite the kooks, and this is his only time to shine before Bush declares.
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Jun 12, 2015 17:46
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But, where will we get our pictures of candidates enthusiastically eating corn dogs now? 
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:The question that must be asked: Is Bernie Sanders’ presidential run a rape fantasy? Bernie 'the Racist Rapist Pinko' Sanders '16
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TheDisreputableDog posted:You know, like if Obama were some ultra-rational guy. The dude that could barely contain his murderous rage to kill the cook? That guy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ8ePckB1Us
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OAquinas posted:But, where will we get our pictures of candidates enthusiastically eating corn dogs now? Oh, don't worry. The Iowa State Fair is still totally happening.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The dude that could barely contain his murderous rage to kill the cook? That guy? A desire to brutally murder Neelix is the most logical thing in the history of the Vulcans
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Joementum posted:The cancelling of the Iowa (née Ames) Straw Poll is actually bad for the Republican Party. The event never picked winners, but it was good for winnowing candidates, which the Republicans really, really need to do right now. Tim Pawlenty cancelled his 2012 campaign after finishing a distant third in the Straw Poll behind Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul, then joined the Romney campaign. The GOP could have reformed the event and made it less about who had the better BBQ and country music, but they chose to just get rid of it instead, which is a sort of metaphor for everything about the GOP. Which, in turn, means the Michelle Bachmanns of the field will stay in till the actual Iowa caucus under the delusion that they can win...which means more pure, uncut hilarity. Northjayhawk posted:Its worth an awful lot of money to Iowa. Campaigns spend way too much time and money for Iowa's few delegates to prove that they are viable, and they aren't going to give it up. It's completely retarded. I was listening to NPR last Saturday and one of the discussion topics was how Iowans are fed up with the fact that Presidential candidates view them all as farmers and hayseeds. Something like 92% of employed Iowans (I think that was the number) are in white-collar professions, yet every Presidential event is spent looking as folksy and farm-friendly as possible. Candidates spend all their time kissing the asses of the ethanol producers and the Corn Growers Association--the only Presidential candidate I've ever seen NOT do it wasn't a real Presidential candidate (Arnold Vinick in West Wing Season 6.) The Iowa caucus is a complete farce. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Dolash posted:I think it's indicative of how politics has changed over time (in this case, for the better) since a lot of the sexist stuff Jeb and other Republicans have said were more broadly acceptable when they were first said, and are only catching up to them now that they're back in the spotlight. The younger Republicans are a little luckier in that respect since their history's shorter so they don't have to answer for statements made in an earlier paradigm. Reminder for those who've forgotten or are too young to have experienced it firsthand: One of the (many) really stupid things things vice president Dan Quayle did back in the 90s was taking a bold stance against single motherhood by attacking a fictional TV character. an excellent speller posted:It doesn’t help matters when prime-time TV has Murphy Brown, a character who supposedly epitomizes today’s intelligent, highly paid professional woman, mocking the importance of fathers by bearing a child alone and calling it just another lifestyle choice. He subsequently claimed he was just trying to emphasize the need for fathers to step up and be responsible for their children, which I trust you all find as convincing as I do.
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Is there some way I could start an indiegogo to create a new Iowa Straw Poll?
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The Romneys are hosting an event this weekend for Republican Presidential candidates to bask in Mitt's glow and "learn from his experience". This morning featured a flag football game with Marco Rubio and "Sunrise Pilates" hosted by Ann and Game Change author Mark Halperin.
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Joementum posted:The Romneys are hosting an event this weekend for Republican Presidential candidates to bask in Mitt's glow and "learn from his experience". This morning featured a flag football game with Marco Rubio and "Sunrise Pilates" hosted by Ann and Game Change author Mark Halperin. Halperin is such an incredible piece of poo poo. I mean, the rest of that is hilarious, but lmfao.
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