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Good luck with that as your running slogan, I guess.
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quote:“Republicans overwhelmingly oppose the destructive use of drugs in our families, in our schools and in our workplaces, because legalizing marijuana sends a profoundly disturbing message to our children about the choices they will be making in life,” said Arizona Republican Party Chairman Robert Graham. “We’ve already heard from law enforcement officials that marijuana supposedly used for medicinal purposes is being abused and ending up in the hands of children and young teens, and we need to reverse that trend.” - See more at: http://arizonagop.org/2015/06/03/marijuana-legalization-faces-overwhelming-opposition-from-azgop-leadership/#sthash.dcBhwtQL.dpuf http://arizonagop.org/2015/06/03/marijuana-legalization-faces-overwhelming-opposition-from-azgop-leadership/ Yep, they've already been fellating the police.
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Jun 8, 2015 00:05
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Weed is good - a profoundly disturbing message if you have no idea what weed is or what it does
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Jun 8, 2015 01:34
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Public Officials should be pee tested so we can see all the substances they're on and call them out for being hypocrites 99% of the time.
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Jun 9, 2015 02:11
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Reason posted:Public Officials should be pee tested so we can see all the substances they're on and call them out for being hypocrites 99% of the time. Unfortunately, cocaine metabolizes fairly quickly.
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Jun 9, 2015 07:17
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And alcohol is legal right up until you drive your car into a school bus. Then, tearfully sign up for counseling and resume your life as before.
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Jun 9, 2015 07:19
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computer parts posted:Unfortunately, cocaine metabolizes fairly quickly. Fortunately though, most of them aren't very smart about being hypocrites, and probably do a rail off an intern before heading to the floor.
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Jun 9, 2015 09:32
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Apparently 53% of Arizonans support legalizing recreational marijuana. And apparently the Republicans don't need their votes.quote:The survey of 701 adult heads of households by the Behavior Research Center found 53 percent who said they support legalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana for personal use. Another 39 percent were opposed. So it's a clear (if small) majority in an okay sample size, and a distinct minority that's actively opposed, and the "last couple of years" have seen marijuana full legalized in two more states and the district, plus nearly 3 years since legalization passed in WA and CO and those states haven't burned to the ground yet. Plus we have another year and a half of 5-10 states routinely discussing legalizing ganja in the open media, and Arizona's next-door neighbor very likely legalizing entirely. But I'm sure it's probably nothing...
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Jun 9, 2015 20:46
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Apparently 53% of Arizonans support legalizing recreational marijuana. And apparently the Republicans don't need their votes. With something like marijuana legalization, where the pro people are just not as likely to show up to vote as the ancient anti demographic is and the undecideds are likely to swing "no," I wouldn't feel too comfortable unless Yes was polling ~55% right before the election, but 53% now is a reasonably good chance for passage. Also, two of Arizona's neighbors might be legalizing next year: Nevada's also taking a shot at it.
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Jun 10, 2015 17:56
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so is it time to move to canadia? whats does this all mean dudes?
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Jun 11, 2015 22:08
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Dr. Josef Mengele posted:so is it time to move to canadia? whats does this all mean dudes?  quote:Health Minister Rona Ambrose says she is "outraged" by the Supreme Court of Canada decision that expands the definition of medical marijuana beyond dried leaves, to include cannabis oils, teas, brownies and other forms of the drug. This must be Canada's version of Michele Leonhart.
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Jun 11, 2015 22:16
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MaxxBot posted:
She has a point. Medical Marijuana is bullshit and shouldn't be prescribed. It should however be 100% legal. Of course we all assume she is against legalization too.
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Jun 12, 2015 03:41
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Powercrazy posted:She has a point. Medical Marijuana is bullshit and shouldn't be prescribed. It should however be 100% legal. Of course we all assume she is against legalization too. Meh it has uses. So long as those uses are making you hungry when you otherwise wouldn't be.
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Jun 12, 2015 03:43
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reignofevil posted:Meh it has uses. So long as those uses are making you hungry when you otherwise wouldn't be. I misread this as "meth has its uses" and got really confused for a bit.
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Jun 12, 2015 03:45
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eviltastic posted:I misread this as "meth has its uses" and got really confused for a bit. That is also true, though not related to the topic at hand.
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Jun 12, 2015 03:46
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reignofevil posted:Meh it has uses. So long as those uses are making you hungry when you otherwise wouldn't be. I mean I'm not going to claim it has no medical benefits, but it hasn't gone through any of the processes required to declare it medicine, so it seems ridiculous to me to prescribe it.
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Jun 12, 2015 04:06
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computer parts posted:That is also true, though not related to the topic at hand. And certainly not related to improving one's appetite!
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Jun 12, 2015 06:05
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Powercrazy posted:I mean I'm not going to claim it has no medical benefits, but it hasn't gone through any of the processes required to declare it medicine, so it seems ridiculous to me to prescribe it. I'm not familiar with the situation in Canada but here in the US the only reason that is the case is because of its schedule 1 status.
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Jun 12, 2015 10:56
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MaxxBot posted:I'm not familiar with the situation in Canada but here in the US the only reason that is the case is because of its schedule 1 status. Right, it's a Catch 22. In order to be schedule 1, a drug must have no medicinal value. Instead of being placed in schedule 1 because the research has shown that to be true, some fuckheads in congress legislated that it be placed in schedule 1 for *reasons* (read: racism). This leads to a weird (but entirely intentional) situation where it cannot be found to have medicinal value because, by legal definition, it doesn't. Also, as a final "gently caress you," schedule 1 drugs cannot legally be used for research outside of VERY VERY limited circumstances. Oh, and the people in charge of approving said research are the ones that stand to gain the most by keeping it illegal.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:06
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Powercrazy posted:She has a point. Medical Marijuana is bullshit and shouldn't be prescribed. It should however be 100% legal. Of course we all assume she is against legalization too. Powercrazy posted:I mean I'm not going to claim it has no medical benefits, but it hasn't gone through any of the processes required to declare it medicine, so it seems ridiculous to me to prescribe it. But the doctors know it has medical value. It's not like there's a lack of research on it. The sole reason it hasn't "gone through the process" is political. Letting politics determine whether or not something is a medicine, rather than science, undermines the entire system, and doctors should (rightfully) ignore it when it happens to the best of their ability. It's the same way that those states that have made it illegal to use accurate predictive models of climate change, decreeing politically that they are untrue and invalid, should rightfully be ignored, and why mathematicians would have been right to ignore the Pi bill. Meanwhile, plenty of bullshit does get to be declared medicine for explicitly political reasons, and doctors should rightfully ignore that snake oil no matter how legal it.
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Jun 12, 2015 14:48
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Doctors know that eating fibrous greens has medical value as well, that doesn't mean that doctors can or should be able to prescribe them to patients. Recommend, sure, but prescribing something implies a certain level of purity and a testing process that just isn't possible with marijuana short of pharmaceutical extracts (that don't work well for other reasons). I can see how an FDA head, or Canada's equivalent, wouldn't want a legislature doing an end-around on the formal approval process to declare something a medicine. None of that means that people should be getting arrested or cited for using marijuana for medical purposes or otherwise, but the whole medical marijuana thing where a doctor's note protects people from prosecution is nonsense that only has to exist because of ridiculous laws.
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Jun 12, 2015 15:14
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Miami is hopefully pushing the rest of Florida in the right direction: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article23643367.html quote:A proposal that would create a $100 fine for marijuana possession in Miami-Dade gets its first hearing before county commissioners Wednesday, a key test for a law designed to keep minor pot offenses out of the criminal system.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:01
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GlyphGryph posted:But the doctors know it has medical value. It's not like there's a lack of research on it. The sole reason it hasn't "gone through the process" is political. Agreed, hence why I'm staunchly against medical marijuana. Tea has medicinal qualities as well, but it would be dumb for doctors to prescribe it.
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Jun 12, 2015 16:15
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With all the talk of "up-to one year in prison" does this actually ever happen to anymore?
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Powercrazy posted:Agreed, hence why I'm staunchly against medical marijuana. Except that science already determined marijuana was a medicine, and literally the only reason why places don't consider it that is political? Tea doesn't get prescribed because a) there's not, despite your statement, any medical conditions it treats - Edit: accept, apparently, for neuralgic headaches, although it seems to be outclassed there by other drugs b) even if it was, you don't really need prescriptions for things that are freely, cheaply, legally available GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Jun 12, 2015 16:30
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turnip kid posted:Criminal penalties would remain an option for misdemeanor possession of marijuana, but the change in county rules would give all police in Miami-Dade the option of treating it a civil offense instead. If issued a civil citation, the offender would receive a ticket and not a criminal charge that bring up to one year in jail. Gee, I wonder how that's going to be enforced, and whether there will be a disparity from neighborhood to neighborhood.
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GlyphGryph posted:Except that science already determined marijuana was a medicine, and literally the only reason why places don't consider it that is political? (Sounds like a scary drug too when they put it like that  )GlyphGryph posted:b) even if it was, you don't really need prescriptions for things that are freely, cheaply, legally available
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Tab8715 posted:With all the talk of "up-to one year in prison" does this actually ever happen to anymore? Depends on your albedo.
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Tab8715 posted:With all the talk of "up-to one year in prison" does this actually ever happen to anymore? http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/09/half-ounce-of-pot-gets-louisiana-man-twenty-years-in-prison/
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Also remember that lady who lost child custody and now faces some heavy jail time claims cannabis is the only drug she has found that enables her to be a functional mom. Edit: this one: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/06/08/mom-who-uses-medical-marijuana-faces-up-to-30-years-in-prison/ snorch fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:prescribing something implies a certain level of purity and a testing process that just isn't possible with marijuana short of pharmaceutical extracts (that don't work well for other reasons). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE60il2pI_k GlyphGryph posted:Tea doesn't get prescribed because If you make a therapeutic claim about walnuts the FDA get uppity: http://www.fda.gov/iceci/enforcementactions/warningletters/ucm202825.htm KingEup fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Jun 12, 2015 17:11
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snorch posted:Also remember that lady who lost child custody and now faces some heavy jail time claims cannabis is the only drug she has found that enables her to be a functional mom. Ah yes, I believe you're remembering this story from the fine state of Kansas. A mother and fine parent who lives there was taking cannabis oil to manage Crohn's disease, after doctors had previously written her condition off as untreatable, and previous treatments had failed; they actually had her on fentanyl to ease her passing as they figured she was going to die soon. Cannabis oil worked well enough that she was more or less okay. Unfortunately, she lives in Kansas and her son got to talking during an anti-drug propaganda event at his school, so of course the school called police, police got a warrant and mom is now facing the loss of her son and lots of jail time. They've already taken her son for the time being and charged her with distribution. She's facing 30 years in jail, has lost custody of her son and her health is now deteriorating.
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Santa Ana cops raiding a pot shop, taking down cameras and enjoying the edibles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTKTfUHfeKM edit: didn't realize it was also posted in the cops thread MattO fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jun 12, 2015 |
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Jun 12, 2015 17:54
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Broken Machine posted:Ah yes, I believe you're remembering this story from the fine state of Kansas. A mother and fine parent who lives there was taking cannabis oil to manage Crohn's disease, after doctors had previously written her condition off as untreatable, and previous treatments had failed; they actually had her on fentanyl to ease her passing as they figured she was going to die soon. Cannabis oil worked well enough that she was more or less okay. Unfortunately, she lives in Kansas and her son got to talking during an anti-drug propaganda event at his school, so of course the school called police, police got a warrant and mom is now facing the loss of her son and lots of jail time. They've already taken her son for the time being and charged her with distribution. She's facing 30 years in jail, has lost custody of her son and her health is now deteriorating. Sure, but we can't make this lady's life tolerable until we study medical marijuana more. Best to just keep her kid in foster homes and let her waste away.
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Broken Machine posted:Ah yes, I believe you're remembering this story from the fine state of Kansas. A mother and fine parent who lives there was taking cannabis oil to manage Crohn's disease, after doctors had previously written her condition off as untreatable, and previous treatments had failed; they actually had her on fentanyl to ease her passing as they figured she was going to die soon. Cannabis oil worked well enough that she was more or less okay. Unfortunately, she lives in Kansas and her son got to talking during an anti-drug propaganda event at his school, so of course the school called police, police got a warrant and mom is now facing the loss of her son and lots of jail time. They've already taken her son for the time being and charged her with distribution. She's facing 30 years in jail, has lost custody of her son and her health is now deteriorating. That's insane. I have Crohn's and a good Indica strain has been the only thing keeping me out of the ER on more than one occasion, and is probably why I don't need any other meds for it now, so that hits a little too close to home (though I live in CO, thank god!). I wonder if they'll feel the slightest bit guilty when she dies in their custhahahahaHAHAHA I can't
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The Maroon Hawk posted:That's insane. I have Crohn's and a good Indica strain has been the only thing keeping me out of the ER on more than one occasion, and is probably why I don't need any other meds for it now, so that hits a little too close to home (though I live in CO, thank god!). That poor kid is going to be blaming himself for the rest of his life. Conservatives are evil, evil people.
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The Maroon Hawk posted:That's insane. I have Crohn's and a good Indica strain has been the only thing keeping me out of the ER on more than one occasion, and is probably why I don't need any other meds for it now, so that hits a little too close to home (though I live in CO, thank god!). "The perp died? Too bad we couldn't get her convicted first."
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Brave New World posted:"The perp died? Too bad we couldn't get her convicted first." They'll just convict post mortem, can let the prosecutor's convictions rate suffer
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The High Priest of cannabis prohibition has spoken!quote:Twenty years ago, drug dealers were seen for what they were — criminal and dangerous elements in our society. They were shunned by the mainstream. People who sold marijuana were considered losers, in the business of harming our children. Parents warned their kids to stay away from those known to use drugs.
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