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Tiny Bug Child posted:it's been said that php is just a wrapper around a bunch of c functions and that's kind of true. in a way, it's c for the modern era of the web. it's easier to work with and all the useless stuff like pointers is stripped out MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i wish your posts were untyped!!
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i wish your posts were untyped!! oh gently caress
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Dynamic typing can be OK. Implicit conversions can be OK. But they are never OK together. PHP is stupidly typed.
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i wish your posts were untyped!!
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JewKiller 3000 posted:the "distinction" between strong and weak typing is nowhere near as important as the distinction between static and dynamic typing (the latter is not typing). and as other posters have explained, strong/weak typing are not very well defined, so such terms are avoided in the literature. but when it does appear, the term "weak typing" applies invariably to C 
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http://www.foreverscape.com/art/2015/america-offline/
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Athas posted:Dynamic typing can be OK. dynamic typing much moreso than implicit conversions comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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Jun 13, 2015 15:09
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also it feels like every single line of C code is out to murder you with subtle yet catastrophic failure scenarios and security compromises and overflow this includes the code you can't see in the preprocessor in some library somewhere b/c of C's horrible module system lol
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c is cool and good
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comedyblissoption posted:also it feels like every single line of C code is out to murder you with subtle yet catastrophic failure scenarios and security compromises and overflow
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thats not an understatement btw it's every single line of code
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I would rather become really good with C than really good with Rust because jobs using C actually exist.
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and c is really good and useful
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comedyblissoption posted:thats not an understatement btw thanks to macros, even a line of code containing a single right-brace can leap up and strangle you
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by the way, what's up with go? saw today some article "why golang is doomed to succeed" and realised that i have no clue about it. is it some new php or something?
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it's a garbage collected c with better syntax also the package system isn't bad
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it is deprecated Google garbage
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Symbolic Butt posted:also the package system isn't bad import "github.com/definitely/trustworthy/code"
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Bloody posted:deprecated Google but you repeat yourself
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C is cool because like every third statement you write actually has undefined behavior that works with your compiler by chance.
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Symbolic Butt posted:it's a garbage collected c with better syntax you forgot to mention the absolutely terrible type system it is the worst type system I've ever used.
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kalstrams posted:by the way, what's up with go? saw today some article "why golang is doomed to succeed" and realised that i have no clue about it.
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http://cowlark.com/2009-11-15-go/
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kalstrams posted:by the way, what's up with go? saw today some article "why golang is doomed to succeed" and realised that i have no clue about it. it's a language released in 2012 that has static types and yet lacks generics
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if you ask about some way to bring map or filter into golang, one of the principal creators of the language may respond to you with https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/golang-nuts/RKymTuSCHS0 rob pike posted:The modern programmer thinks a newline is a thousand times harder to to be fair this is tied to the lack of generics you could desperately try this: https://github.com/tobyhede/go-underscore#map but then you'd have to ask yourself why are you using golang
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stop no youll summon pram
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this is also a good demonstration of why rust is good you get all of the cool features of haskell but you can actually program useful things in it
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:f# is pretty good
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quote:go stuff
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b0lt posted:it's a language released in 2012 that has static types and yet lacks generics generics own hard
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Soricidus posted:import "github.com/definitely/trustworthy/code" lol I didn't know this was a thing
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b0lt posted:it's a language released in 2012 that has static types and yet lacks generics
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comedyblissoption posted:if you ask about some way to bring map or filter into golang, one of the principal creators of the language may respond to you with I can kinda see where he's coming from python has map and filter and they're always used by assholes I'm not saying that functional programming is bad, it's just that maybe there's something about these features in algol-style languages that I just don't know
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the reason why map and filter are bad in python isn't because loops are good enough, it's because loops + generator expressions are good enough
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claiming it might be ill-fitting in algol-likes is really weak C# and even now Java has these features on top of that they have an interface for these features that you can extend with your own generic data types
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I've yet to meet a C#/Java developer who uses those features so idk. MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD THING? (I feel like I'm dangerously sounding like shaggar here) maybe it's cultural, some python developers try to be way too smart and end up writing spaghetti code with map/filter Soricidus posted:the reason why map and filter are bad in python isn't because loops are good enough, it's because loops + generator expressions are good enough I agree
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Symbolic Butt posted:maybe it's cultural, some python developers try to be way too smart and end up writing spaghetti code with map/filter how do map and filter obfuscate control flow, pray tell?
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using linq in C# is really prevalent also anyone familiar with SQL has a passing familiarity with map/filter due to the similarity with SELECT and WHERE i would agree that python has poor support for chaining a bunch of lambdas and higher order functions there so it's gonna look awful and ugly. it looks bad enough in javascript. i would disagree it is spaghetti-ish though.
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the average java programmer might yell at you if you use it since it's relatively a very new language feature
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