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zoux posted:The governor already slashed spending at select agencies by 4 percent and withdrew funding from the state’s highway system to deal with a shortfall in the current fiscal year. 
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Ralepozozaxe posted:I can't wait for all of the other no-water states to start running out (some probably are) and inevitably avoid doing anything about it until it is too late to save the state from dehydration death. Really, I would like the water problems to be properly dealt with, but I know that ain't happening. All of the other "no water states" aren't the nation's breadbasket. If the rest of the country weren't sucking California's soil dry with their insatiable need for the freshest and most delicious tomatoes, avocados, almonds, and more, there would be no California water crisis.
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Radbot posted:All of the other "no water states" aren't the nation's breadbasket. If the rest of the country weren't sucking California's soil dry with their insatiable need for the freshest and most delicious tomatoes, avocados, almonds, and more, there would be no California water crisis. Arizona though... That can wither, die, and return to the desert.
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Jun 13, 2015 05:58
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Radbot posted:All of the other "no water states" aren't the nation's breadbasket. If the rest of the country weren't sucking California's soil dry with their insatiable need for the freshest and most delicious tomatoes, avocados, almonds, and more, there would be no California water crisis. Those are some drat good avocados though. Water's overrated, right? Edit: Oh yeah, just take Arizona's water, no big Edit 2vvv: what, did you think I meant leave some water for Arizona??? Die Sexmonster! fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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Jun 13, 2015 05:58
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Those are some drat good avocados though. Water's overrated, right? California already takes Arizona's, Utah's, Nevada's, Oregon's, Colorado's and Mexico's water. I mean, they can take more... 
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Jun 13, 2015 06:02
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Radbot posted:All of the other "no water states" aren't the nation's breadbasket. If the rest of the country weren't sucking California's soil dry with their insatiable need for the freshest and most delicious tomatoes, avocados, almonds, and more, there would be no California water crisis. The rest of the country doesn't care if they need to import all that stuff from Argentina or whatever. You grossly overestimate Californian agriculture's importance to anywhere that isn't California, frankly.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:08
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Nintendo Kid posted:The rest of the country doesn't care if they need to import all that stuff from Argentina or whatever. You grossly overestimate Californian agriculture's importance to anywhere that isn't California, frankly. California produces 99% of the US's: Almonds, Artichokes, Dates, Figs, Raisins, Kiwifruit, Olives, Clingstone Peaches, Pistachios, Dried Plums, Pomegranates, Sweet Rice, Ladino Clover Seed (?), and Walnuts. Along with being a large producer of a ton of other things (http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/PDFs/ResourceDirectory_2013-2014.pdf). 
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Jun 13, 2015 06:12
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California wine sucks. Yeah I said it.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:15
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Trabisnikof posted:California produces 99% of the US's: Almonds, Artichokes, Dates, Figs, Raisins, Kiwifruit, Olives, Clingstone Peaches, Pistachios, Dried Plums, Pomegranates, Sweet Rice, Ladino Clover Seed (?), and Walnuts. Along with being a large producer of a ton of other things (http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/P...y_2013-2014.pdf). And? Like for all those things there's foreign imports sitting in the nearest grocery store right now, except maybe that specific variety of peach. If California wasted a billion less gallons on almonds and walnuts for a while America could certainly manage.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:15
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Trabisnikof posted:California produces 99% of the US's: Almonds, Artichokes, Dates, Figs, Raisins, Kiwifruit, Olives, Clingstone Peaches, Pistachios, Dried Plums, Pomegranates, Sweet Rice, Ladino Clover Seed (?), and Walnuts. Along with being a large producer of a ton of other things (http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/PDFs/ResourceDirectory_2013-2014.pdf). We can just supplant that 99% with shipments from Central and South America through transportation infrastructure that is woefully unready to handle such an increase, or whatever.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:17
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Or a huge worker base in a state that's basically a guarantee 1/5 of electoral votes.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:20
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FAUXTON posted:We can just supplant that 99% with shipments from Central and South America through transportation infrastructure that is woefully unready to handle such an increase, or whatever. Oh no we'll have slightly less of on the whole rather niche foodstuffs for a few months.  Here's an example: As of 2013, the artichoke crop for the whole US was worth $57.6 million. We imported, however, $129 million of fresh and prepared artichokes from various countries.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:23
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DemeaninDemon posted:California wine sucks. Yeah I said it. It is like drops of heaven if you've attempted to drink the wine that comes out of the Midwest. It is like drinking the black and white version of wine.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:32
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Raisins, olives, and nuts: Niche foodstuffs. Also leave it to fishmech to just bury the fact that the imported food is specialized poo poo like canned marinated artichoke hearts so that his bankrupt-rear end line of argument doesn't get immediately lit up.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:35
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FAUXTON posted:Raisins, olives, and nuts: Niche foodstuffs. Tons of California's output is also processes, genius. Also yes in general no one's absolute reliant on raisins and two kinds of nuts. Many people barely eat any.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:40
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Barudak posted:It is like drops of heaven if you've attempted to drink the wine that comes out of the Midwest. It is like drinking the black and white version of wine. Oregon wine baby. Walla Walla Washington, too. Then there's wine in Idaho too.
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Jun 13, 2015 06:52
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Arizona is actually decently prepared long term for water use due to run off from snow melt in the mountains.
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Jun 13, 2015 07:11
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Fairly certain most Americans don't know what an artichoke even looks like, let alone notice a rise in their price
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Jun 13, 2015 07:30
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born on a buy you posted:Arizona is actually decently prepared long term for water use due to run off from snow melt in the mountains. Just like California! Until it stopped snowing. 
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:Fairly certain most Americans don't know what an artichoke even looks like, let alone notice a rise in their price I once considered buying one, looked up the steps involved in accessing the parts you actually eat, and just bought a jar of artichoke hearts instead. poo poo's a pain.
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Jun 13, 2015 07:50
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Thank goodness there's room for more corn, soy and potatoes in the American diet.Pope Guilty posted:I once considered buying one, looked up the steps involved in accessing the parts you actually eat, and just bought a jar of artichoke hearts instead. poo poo's a pain. This is getting pretty foodchatty, but I just boil them and then eat the tasty part of the leaves with sour cream and lemon. Then once you get to the heart a butter knife makes quick work of cutting the hairs off. Its really pretty easy.
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Jun 13, 2015 07:54
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Trabisnikof posted:Just like California! Arizona has actually seen an increase in snow as weather patterns change.
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born on a buy you posted:Arizona has actually seen an increase in snow as weather patterns change. I'm seeing it diverging from expected average over time. Legit or nah? 
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Jun 13, 2015 08:26
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Californian drivers may have been subjected to coordinated Enron-like price-gouging earlier this year. I thought there was a ban on exporting US domestic oil to other countries. I keep seeing editorials on how the domestic export ban is "crippling the oil industry" or some such claim...
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Trabisnikof posted:California produces 99% of the US's: Almonds, Artichokes, Dates, Figs, Raisins, Kiwifruit, Olives, Clingstone Peaches, Pistachios, Dried Plums, Pomegranates, Sweet Rice, Ladino Clover Seed (?), and Walnuts. Along with being a large producer of a ton of other things (http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/PDFs/ResourceDirectory_2013-2014.pdf). I don't know poo poo about anything else, but walnut trees are ubiquitous from East Texas to the Carolinas. 99%?
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Jun 13, 2015 09:05
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Aliquid posted:I don't know poo poo about anything else, but walnut trees are ubiquitous from East Texas to the Carolinas. 99%? And wouldn't you guess it, every walnut tree in America grows the same type of walnut!
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Jun 13, 2015 09:14
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Aliquid posted:I don't know poo poo about anything else, but walnut trees are ubiquitous from East Texas to the Carolinas. 99%? This figure is basically everywhere, though I can't find the original source. Pretty sure California does produce almost all of our walnuts
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born on a buy you posted:Arizona has actually seen an increase in snow as weather patterns change. Four Corners is as green as ever, with flooding in Colorado and New Mexico.
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Jun 13, 2015 09:34
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DemeaninDemon posted:Oregon wine baby. Walla Walla Washington, too. Then there's wine in Idaho too. Ice wine, best wine.
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Jun 13, 2015 10:21
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Mitt's spent the last couple of years in his basement, pushing toy soldiers around.quote:The presentation hinted at the kind of president Romney would have been — technocratic and hawkish. At one point, he showed how he would have reorganized the State Department bureaucracy by dividing the map into color-coded regions to exert soft power, much the way military commanders do at the Pentagon. Also shows that Romney really did think he could run the country like a corporation, with staff reorganizations spelled out in PowerPoint decks, and pithy mission statements to guide the bureaucracy.
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Jun 13, 2015 12:57
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Joementum posted:Mitt's spent the last couple of years in his basement, pushing toy soldiers around. Good to know that  has been doing something productive with his time like playing warhammer.
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Jun 13, 2015 13:08
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Klaus88 posted:Good to know that We have to stop the Alien heretics....I mean, democrats.
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Jun 13, 2015 13:09
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FAUXTON posted:Raisins, olives, and nuts: Niche foodstuffs. Sorry but fishmech's correct. California is not a significant staple producer. Reducing California's agricultural output to match its actual water supply means that some people bitch about the price of almonds for a while and then we go back to how we lived before WWII: exotic fruits and nuts are a luxury, vegetables are supplied locally and seasonally. It's really better that we go that way anyway for sustainability purposes. And the sooner the almond milk fad goes away the better.
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Joementum posted:Mitt's spent the last couple of years in his basement, pushing toy soldiers around.
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Joementum posted:Mitt's spent the last couple of years in his basement, pushing toy soldiers around. And like most CEO types he has an over-inflated sense of importance and a significant overestimation of his own personal abilities. I don't understand why anybody would care what Romney has to say about foreign policy. I guess as the host of the shindig, though, people have to put up with his bullshit if they want to get access to the donor meetings also taking place. He feels kind of like he would have been a political appointee of an administration in a bygone era, but his own personal wealth and modern day politics being what it is, he feels entitled to running the entire show. It really feels like he's not suited to modern campaigning, though, and it seems like he's annoyed that he has to actually campaign at all. ErIog fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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Jun 13, 2015 13:40
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Joementum posted:Mitt's spent the last couple of years in his basement, pushing toy soldiers around. He also apparently thinks that the Ukranian conflict is America's top geopolitical priority.
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Jun 13, 2015 14:02
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Joementum posted:Mitt's spent the last couple of years in his basement, pushing toy soldiers around. So it's bad enough that the US is already a country that doesn't believe in diplomacy and has made the State Department secondary to the Defense Department but Romney wanted to run State like Defense and thought that bringing back Rumsfeld's style of corporate governance was going to work this time? Jesus Christ.
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Jun 13, 2015 14:19
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Stultus Maximus posted:He also apparently thinks that the Ukranian conflict is America's top geopolitical priority. It is so he doesn't have to think about his 2012 'arm the Syrian Rebels' policy
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It's been fantastically successful so I know it will never happen but if I could wave a magic wand I'd make this "run the government like a corporation" idea repulsive to the majority of the country. I don't want government to have extracting as much wealth as possible, by any means possible, before the end of the next quarter and forget about the effects as its goal. I like a government that governs thank you, and that does not always mean maximum monetary profit right this minute.
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KomradeX posted:So it's bad enough that the US is already a country that doesn't believe in diplomacy and has made the State Department secondary to the Defense Department but Romney wanted to run State like Defense and thought that bringing back Rumsfeld's style of corporate governance was going to work this time? Jesus Christ. I thought this was just China's thing regarding State.
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