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Pohl posted:I'm not going into my personal history but that is some weak poo poo, man. quote:Later, during a “face time” call over the Internet, he threatened to kill all of the adult members of his family, as well as making a vague threat about schools or churches along the way. A big flaming stink posted:where are you even going with this cause it sure looks like bitching for the sake of bitching. What are you actually complaining about FRINGE fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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FRINGE posted:Why are you bringing up your anxiety as a reason we are not to discuss this? : He was loving psychotic, jesus. I deal with issues everyday but I'm not psychotic. Most people aren't. All anybody is going to see is that he was mentally ill and then they will label everyone mentally ill as dangerous and everyone will lose. I don't even know what you are talking about or what you want. Fringe, I sent you a pm. Pohl fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jun 13, 2015 |
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NY Times did a write-up on the Eric Garner events. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/nyregion/eric-garner-police-chokehold-staten-island.html?smid=tw-share Some tidbits from the sealed grand jury proceedings: quote:Ms. Allen said the medical response and Mr. Garner’s prior ailments seemed to preoccupy the prosecutors and grand jurors when she testified. Mr. Garner had acute asthma, hypertension and a history of diabetes. He was also obese; these conditions were all listed as contributing factors to his death.
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Jun 13, 2015 21:45
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Pohl posted:He was loving psychotic, jesus. I deal with issues everyday but I'm not psychotic. Most people aren't. All anybody is going to see is that he was mentally ill and then they will label everyone mentally ill as dangerous and everyone will lose. I don't even know what you are talking about or what you want.
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Arkane posted:NY Times did a write-up on the Eric Garner events. Lol, it wasn't the chokehold it was because he was fat and would have totally died regardless. Brilliant.
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Jun 13, 2015 21:50
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bango skank posted:You haven't purchased any zombie apocalypse vans lately, have you? I have never purchased a murder van, no.
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Jun 13, 2015 22:29
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It's a grand jury. It's essentially 100% to indict if the prosecutors want to.
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Jun 13, 2015 22:43
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Agrajag posted:Lol, it wasn't the chokehold it was because he was fat and would have totally died regardless. Brilliant. It was both (see also: all his other medical conditions as well)
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Jun 13, 2015 23:05
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i suppose in the final sense, nobody is really liable for anything because we all have the preexisting condition of fleshy, mortal bodies
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Jun 13, 2015 23:27
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Seriously, it's not those poor officers' fault that Garner turned out to be secretly obese and asthmatic. How were they supposed to know he was obese just by looking at him? And how the HELL were they supposed to know he had problems breathing just by him saying so?
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Cichlid the Loach posted:Seriously, it's not those poor officers' fault that Garner turned out to be secretly obese and asthmatic. How were they supposed to know he was obese just by looking at him? And how the HELL were they supposed to know he had problems breathing just by him saying so? Plus, they always say "I can't breathe" when you have them in a neck-lock, how were the officers to know he wasn't lying?
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The prosecutor in the Tamir Rice case released the entire investigation today. The cop claims he had "no choice" but to shoot the kid when he reached for his gun. quote:It's not clear why McGinty decided to release the full report, which was compiled over the course of four months, to the public. They're not going to indict this guy.
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Jun 14, 2015 01:58
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On the bright side, there's a 50/50 chance that cop feels bad about murdering a 12 year old.
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Are they going to even address the two officers lying in their reports about the incident?
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more friedman units posted:Are they going to even address the two officers lying in their reports about the incident? this happens every single day; it's not even unusual the police report always paints their own actions as heroic & just
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more friedman units posted:Are they going to even address the two officers lying in their reports about the incident?
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Cops switch to guns that are easier to fire and lack a safety lever. Result: more accidental discharges. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sheriff-guns-20150614-story.html#page=1 quote:Rise in accidental gunshots by L.A. County deputies follows new firearm quote:L.A. County sheriff's deputies learning to shoot the Beretta were taught to rest a finger on the trigger as soon as they took aim. The mantra was "on target, on trigger."
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Grey Fox posted:
Holy motherfucker, "on target on trigger" is the mostly hilariously unsafe gun rule I think I've ever heard of.
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Jarmak posted:Holy motherfucker, "on target on trigger" is the mostly hilariously unsafe gun rule I think I've ever heard of. It makes me wonder how they avoided negligent discharges with the old M9, since every trigger pull after the first one is probably just as light if not lighter than the striker-fired M&P. I would (again) suggest that cops go back to DAO revolvers but this is clearly a matter of insufficient or incorrect training regardless of platform.
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Jun 14, 2015 15:55
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Jarmak posted:Holy motherfucker, "on target on trigger" is the mostly hilariously unsafe gun rule I think I've ever heard of. Is that poo poo standard in police training? Or is this just a particular brand of LA stupid? I wonder if the NYPD has the same training.
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Jun 14, 2015 18:17
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NYPD used to have it with their revolvers.
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ToastyPotato posted:Is that poo poo standard in police training? Or is this just a particular brand of LA stupid? I wonder if the NYPD has the same training. "Standard?" In police training? No such thing.
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Shooting Blanks posted:"Standard?" In police training? No such thing. Wait, the police in America are trained?
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Jun 14, 2015 18:27
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Like most things in the United States, that standards for police training vary on a state by state and sometimes county by county basis. Seriously, gently caress federalism up it's loving rear end.
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Jun 14, 2015 18:29
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Jarmak posted:Holy motherfucker, "on target on trigger" is the mostly hilariously unsafe gun rule I think I've ever heard of. Yeah, doesn't this break the first two rules of basic firearms handling? Everyone else from Boy Scouts to navy SEALS are taught to do the exact loving opposite.
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SedanChair posted:It makes me wonder how they avoided negligent discharges with the old M9, since every trigger pull after the first one is probably just as light if not lighter than the striker-fired M&P. Assuming they drew their guns, the hammer on the 92 would be down so they'd have a long, heavy double-action pull. You simply can't accidentally pull a double-action trigger that's 9+ pounds without something unusual happening. Unless modified, the Glock and M&P don't have such a heavy trigger (they're sort of between single and double-action) and trying to rest your finger on it puts you one stumble or reflexive squeeze away from firing.
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That's my point though, after the first pull all the ones after that are single action. Although, once a cop has fired the first round they're probably going to dump the mag so it doesn't matter too much in practice. In an ideal world cops would be trained to fire one round or a controlled pair, then assess. But if we're imagining a world where a cop could learn to do that, we might as well wish for a world where they didn't carry pistols in the first place, since that's equally likely.
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SedanChair posted:
 Actually pretty much the other countries down the map, too.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Yeah, doesn't this break the first two rules of basic firearms handling? Everyone else from Boy Scouts to navy SEALS are taught to do the exact loving opposite. It depends on what is being taught. For basic movement with a weapon or covering someone, yeah, keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. "On target, on trigger" sounds like something taught in combat shooting, where you're going from drawstroke->sight picture->finger on trigger->fire->follow up very rapidly in response to an unexpected threat. In that case, it's following the four rules, because it's emphasising not to place your finger inside the trigger guard until you're aiming at your intended target. Some people have a tendency to put their finger on the trigger as they draw, which is bad and needs to be overcome with training.
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Cops spend a lot more time aiming at stuff they don't want to shoot than soldiers, which is kind of the problem with that training.
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I don't know about that. Soldiers do guard duty all the time. Of course then they light up whole families at checkpoints. Vahakyla posted:
I think it's been demonstrated that the US is not capable of learning things from Northern Europe.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/14/woman-strip-searched-lwins-damages-met-police The police in the UK can also not be trusted to help someone who clearly needs it, arresting them instead. At least nobody got killed
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Jose posted:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/14/woman-strip-searched-lwins-damages-met-police This isn't just a case of a woman being roofied complaining about being strip searched: quote:When the police arrived the woman was arrested and taken to a cell. She said: “My drink had been spiked and the police should have helped me. Instead I remember being in a cell with strange men putting their hands on me and taking my clothes off. I believed I was being raped and remember screaming in fear.” Of course the police still haven't apologized or admitted wrongdoing: quote:A spokesman for the Met said: “The claim arose from an arrest in March 2011. Officers arrested a woman for a public order offence. She was charged and bailed to court for four counts of assault on a constable. The matter was discontinued due to insufficient evidence. We do not disclose settlement amounts.”
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Ha, good old British class discrimination. It can almost overpower racism!
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SedanChair posted:I don't know about that. Soldiers do guard duty all the time. Of course then they light up whole families at checkpoints. In a real war zone. Not in the USA. And Soldiers on guard duty don't walk around pointing guns at everything either.
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Oh goody gumdrops, we're back to comparing soldiers and the police again.hobbesmaster posted:Cops spend a lot more time aiming at stuff they don't want to shoot than soldiers, which is kind of the problem with that training. Well, I'd say holster work is really important if you want to avoid negligent discharges, but you need to train to the rules a department operates under.
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Dead Reckoning posted:It depends on what is being taught. For basic movement with a weapon or covering someone, yeah, keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire. "On target, on trigger" sounds like something taught in combat shooting, where you're going from drawstroke->sight picture->finger on trigger->fire->follow up very rapidly in response to an unexpected threat. In that case, it's following the four rules, because it's emphasising not to place your finger inside the trigger guard until you're aiming at your intended target. Some people have a tendency to put their finger on the trigger as they draw, which is bad and needs to be overcome with training. Yes, in the case that you've made the decision to fire before even drawing this makes sense, but it also goes without saying that if you're trying to fire the weapon then your finger is going to be on the trigger. There's no real purpose of such a phrase except to emphasis the idea that if you're aiming at something then you should have your finger on the trigger, which is rear end backwards. The only time you should have your finger in the trigger well and the safety off is when you're actually engaging a target. If I caught one of my guys doing this poo poo on patrol he'd have a very bad day when we got back in, that's how NDs happen.
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I wonder if even 1% of cops would be able to tell you the four rules.
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Jarmak posted:If I caught one of my guys doing this poo poo on patrol he'd have a very bad day when we got back in, that's how NDs happen. Don't worry, you would never catch one of your guys doing this. Because there's no way that a cop would turn in one of their brethren for violating department policies in a manner that endangers the public safety.
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Jarmak posted:Yes, in the case that you've made the decision to fire before even drawing this makes sense, but it also goes without saying that if you're trying to fire the weapon then your finger is going to be on the trigger. There's no real purpose of such a phrase except to emphasis the idea that if you're aiming at something then you should have your finger on the trigger, which is rear end backwards. The only time you should have your finger in the trigger well and the safety off is when you're actually engaging a target. KiteAuraan posted:Seriously, gently caress federalism up it's loving rear end.
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