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I wasn't expecting sdcc walkers for some reason (double sided) but I guess I'll be camping the web sale. Count Bleck posted:Captain Perfect the Shitspiggot Sculptor. Please stop posting.
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lardnar posted:I think you want to use her more as a 4-damage burn spell that leaves you a planeswalker. In modern, you can cast her t3, then t4 tap -> bolt -> tap -> bolt -> tap/attack -> transform and shock something. Monastery swiftspear probably does that job way better, though. In standard, it depends on what burn/1 drops come in origins. The thing about it is that whose gonna let you do that in a format where a bunch of things that kills an X/2 , like Downfall, Lightning Strike, Blight, Drown in Sorrow There's an uncommon in standard right now that does red's job better than the titular redwalker, kill your opponent. Snacksmaniac posted:Please stop posting. Jace Defense Force member spotted.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:24
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Snapcaster Mage is up to $100. Is this real life?
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Jun 14, 2015 03:30
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Whelp. Jace is fine at 1U I guess. Depends what else blue has to cast in standard at 2 when the time comes. Still his flip trigger is easy, and I can see it being a pretty fast flip in Modern. The Snapcaster-On-A-Stick is nice and fairly costed. And I like his +1 being a call back to his Ravnica incarnation. Nissa is interesting, 3 CMC ramp card. I have two issues with it though. First her creature side is just a Civic Wayfinder/Borderland Ranger that can only get basic Forests. Secondly is that she only flips when your 7th or more land comes into play, not if you have 7 or more lands in play. I see that this synergies with her Ranger ability but I feel it makes it a bit more clunky. I don't see you playing her turn 5/6/7 after ramping as hard as you can then flipping. I see her being a turn 2/3 play and trying to keep your land drops up for an upside. I quite like her planeswalker side though. +1 Draw a card is great. And -2 get a 4/4 is ok, it's not +whatever get some 2/2s forever like Garruk but it's not bad. I don't think anyone will ever be wanting to -7 her for serious, getting 6 6/6's is cool and all but it will take you 4 turns of her being a Planeswalker to get there and if you're a ramp deck you have better things to do. Maybe if they had trample it would be better.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:32
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morning wood posted:Snapcaster Mage is up to $100. Is this real life? It goes in every blue deck in Modern, every blue deck in legacy and every blue deck in vintage (short of merfolk) Edit: Whoops double post, my bad.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:33
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morning wood posted:Snapcaster Mage is up to $100. Is this real life? The second coming of Tarmogoyf 
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Jun 14, 2015 03:34
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Entropic posted:It depends how much you think 1/1 vs 0/2 matters. Count Bleck posted:Like my main beef with the Chandra is how often does a 2/2 survive combat on turn 4? The answer is almost never, and she'll probably only ever flip when you are winning anyway.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:34
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Gridlocked posted:It goes in every blue deck in Modern, every blue deck in legacy and every blue deck in vintage (short of merfolk) It was a ~$30 card a few months ago.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:34
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morning wood posted:It was a ~$30 card a few months ago. And it was worth more than that then, too.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:37
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Twiddy posted:Haha didn't even notice that. That is actually kind of obnoxious that you can't even choose to keep it around as a looter. No. No, dammit. No. Nobody's going to let you do 3 damage with her, they know what happens if they do. Where as with Nissa you get to fetch a land and a bear for 3 mana, which is decent, and with Jace it's piss easy to get the condition, the colors that would consider Jace probably have a couple cards on turn 2 anyway, be it fetches, probes, or Visions. Again, I'm mostly mad she doesn't have haste.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:37
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Entropic posted:Are we looking at the same card? She flips when you hit your 7th land. A lot of ramp strats rely on nonland sources, like rattleclaw. All of the ramp worth a poo poo in standard is dudes and not extra land, anyway.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:38
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Count Bleck posted:No. No, dammit. You seem kind of angry here.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:42
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Count Bleck posted:No. No, dammit. She wants First Strike a hell of a lot more than she wants Haste dude
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Jun 14, 2015 03:43
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TheKingofSprings posted:And it was worth more than that then, too. I feel bad for someone who just started Magic, but basically everyone in this thread has been saying "BUY SNAPCASTER IT IS GOING TO GO UP" since Innistrad rotated. Pretty much everyone paying any attention whatsoever saw this coming.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:52
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It's unfortunate that Borderland Ranger and Merfolk Looter are considered so overpowered today that strictly worse versions of them can only be printed at mythic. No seriously both of those are much worse than their common counterparts and Borderland Ranger has probably seen way more constructed play than any of the 5 walkers will see in their lifetimes.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:56
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:A lot of ramp strats rely on nonland sources, like rattleclaw. All of the ramp worth a poo poo in standard is dudes and not extra land, anyway. True. She won't be good if we get Eldrazi Spawn strategies and stuff in the fall. But Nykthos is rotating out, and who knows, we could get a bunch of rampant growth effects to help cast those Eldrazi. And hell, maybe there ends up being a bant control deck or something where she's a late game card draw engine / finisher. I think she has potential, it just depends hugely on what Standard actually looks like come fall. I definitely don't see her doing much before rotation.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:57
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Count Bleck posted:Jace Defense Force member spotted. I'd like to apply to join this group. morning wood posted:Snapcaster Mage is up to $100. Is this real life? Uh. It's the same $80ish it was a few days ago. You made me feel stupid for selling my spares for a second there.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:57
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Ultima66 posted:It's unfortunate that Borderland Ranger and Merfolk Looter are considered so overpowered today that strictly worse versions of them can only be printed at mythic. "An 0/2 that transforms into a Planeswalker is much worse than a 1/1 that draws you a card and makes you discard a card." Okay.
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Jun 14, 2015 03:59
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Ultima66 posted:strictly worse  So no spoilers on Gideon? I'm gonna guess he flips based on the number of creatures you control and makes tokens. Or is that too Elspethy?
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Jun 14, 2015 04:00
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suicidesteve posted:Uh. It's the same $80ish it was a few days ago. You made me feel stupid for selling my spares for a second there. 
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Jun 14, 2015 04:00
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Snapcaster is officially as expensive as Jace.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:01
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StarCity doesn't count since they're always 10-20% over TCGplayer market.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:02
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GonSmithe posted:"An 0/2 that transforms into a Planeswalker is much worse than a 1/1 that draws you a card and makes you discard a card." The planeswalker is a much worse card than just having a looter in play and it's not optional.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:03
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Entropic posted:
Gideon's gimmick is that he turns himself into a creature and interacts with the amount of creatures your opponents control. So it'd be more, like, if your opponent controls x more creatures than you do flip Gideon.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:04
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It'll be funny if Gideon is a creature that turns into a planeswalker that can turn into a creature.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:05
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AlternateNu posted:StarCity doesn't count since they're always 10-20% over TCGplayer market. I would consider it a fair tool for card prices considering every brick and mortar store I've ever been to uses it as a starting point for their card values when negotiating sales or trades. 
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Jun 14, 2015 04:10
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Entropic posted:
Gideon's storyline gimmick is that he killed an "unkillable" opponent to ignite his spark. He'll have to kill something to transform.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:11
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TheKingofSprings posted:She wants First Strike a hell of a lot more than she wants Haste dude True. Twiddy posted:Uh... what? Dude, they don't have a say in the matter if you have two red spells, and if you're talking about them killing her they can just do the same to Jace. Obviously all the PWs are pretty much kill on sight. Little bit. They also do have a say if they have the kill spell while you're pinging poo poo, but I digress, she's probably the weakest of all the walkers spoiled so far. I mean Liliana has lifelink for gently caress sake, why couldn't Chandra have a red keyword?
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Jun 14, 2015 04:13
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gideon's storyline gimmick is that he killed an "unkillable" opponent to ignite his spark. Oh god.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:14
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gideon's storyline gimmick is that he killed an "unkillable" opponent to ignite his spark. So he'll be like Bushi Tenderfoot, but not crap?
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Jun 14, 2015 04:17
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He might just be something along the lines of "Whenever a creature you don't control dies, transform Gideon." Or he'll actually be the first strike creature.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:20
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Oraculum Animi posted:Gideon's gimmick is that he turns himself into a creature and interacts with the amount of creatures your opponents control. So it'd be more, like, if your opponent controls x more creatures than you do flip Gideon. He's going to have the effect on Blaze of Glory and flips if he blocks 5 or more creatures.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:21
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Count Bleck posted:He might just be something along the lines of "Whenever a creature you don't control dies, transform Gideon." That seems way more black than white
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Jun 14, 2015 04:21
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Entropic posted:That seems way more black than white Fair enough. Maybe it'll just be what Oraculum Animi said.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:22
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:A lot of ramp strats rely on nonland sources, like rattleclaw. All of the ramp worth a poo poo in standard is dudes and not extra land, anyway. Only because ramp sucks poo poo right now. I hope Harrow gets reprinted in BfZ.
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Jun 14, 2015 04:26
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TheKingofSprings posted:Gideon's storyline gimmick is that he killed an "unkillable" opponent to ignite his spark. So he killed the R/G god in theros right?
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Jun 14, 2015 04:27
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A big flaming stink posted:So he killed the R/G god in theros right? That was Elspeth E: I'm guessing Gideon will have a Reprisal effect on tap and will flip when it triggers
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Jun 14, 2015 04:29
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TheKingofSprings posted:That was Elspeth There wasn't an R/G God before we went to Theros. The temple was abandoned. Xenagos merely assumed the role of new R/G God.
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Count Bleck posted:There wasn't an R/G God before we went to Theros. The temple was abandoned. Xenagos merely assumed the role of new R/G God. Does Gideon, dicksucker and fellator of order and law seem like the type who would kill a god of a plane
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TheKingofSprings posted:Does Gideon, dicksucker and fellator of order and law seem like the type who would kill a god of a plane On accident, maybe!
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