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Gyges posted:Wasn't the extent of the gore in Jurassic Park a cut on someone's arm and dino venom in Nerdly's face? I remember everything else being either bloodless or just off screen. I mean, that one kid got shocked and there was some smoke, but I don't think his red hands afterwards count. There was also Samuel L. Jackson's dismembered arm, but that was about it. Even in Lost World when two T. Rexes rip Eddie in half it isn't that bloody. Compare to Indominus Rex's utter massacre throughout Jurassic World.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jurassic World is by far the bloodiest movie in the entire franchise. The gently caress is he on about? I have to admit that Jurassic World wasn't as bloody as I thought it would be based on the way that point showed up almost universally in reviews. But yeah, there's no way that it is anything other than the goriest Jurassic Park movie. And I don't think the original sauropod CGI looks terrible by any stretch even today. It's inconsistent though: some of it looks like you could get away with it in a blockbuster today, but some shots are only passable - better than what you'd find in an Asylum movie, but not up to Hollywood standards. It's the shots where actors appear in front of the dinosaurs and point at them that look bad...but that was a problem even up through the time of the Lord of the Rings movies (there's one shot of them running from the Balrog that's just awful in this regard).
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Jun 14, 2015 05:05
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Another thing I hated was Rob talking about the original JP not having a good character arc, specifically about Grant just suddenly at the end deciding he likes kids, did he just block the whole Brachiosarus while they are in the trees scene or the climbing the fence scene?
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OrangeKing posted:I have to admit that Jurassic World wasn't as bloody as I thought it would be based on the way that point showed up almost universally in reviews. But yeah, there's no way that it is anything other than the goriest Jurassic Park movie. To me personally, the gore was a little uncomfortable. I didn't really find the I. Rex's slaughter that fun to watch; it was certainly visceral, but not cathartic. Lost World I love watching the Rex rampage, because everyone's a douchebag in that movie and it's fun seeing them get their comeuppance. But the I. Rex killings were just hateful, and I think that was the point. It is one thing to kill for food and to protect territory, but it is another to just murder because you were born a freak. It really felt like the I. Rex was doing stuff out of spite and madness, so I kind of felt bad for it in the end. So chalk that up as something the movie did pretty well. achillesforever6 posted:Another thing I hated was Rob talking about the original JP not having a good character arc, specifically about Grant just suddenly at the end deciding he likes kids, did he just block the whole Brachiosarus while they are in the trees scene or the climbing the fence scene? Rob and Doug apparently can't tell if a character arc is complete unless the movie explicitly has a character say it is so. Nope, nothing about the looks shared between Grant and Ellie, or Grant throwing away his raptor fossil can mean anything unless someone explains the symbolism.
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Arcsquad12 posted:To me personally, the gore was a little uncomfortable. I didn't really find the I. Rex's slaughter that fun to watch; it was certainly visceral, but not cathartic. Lost World I love watching the Rex rampage, because everyone's a douchebag in that movie and it's fun seeing them get their comeuppance. But the I. Rex killings were just hateful, and I think that was the point. It is one thing to kill for food and to protect territory, but it is another to just murder because you were born a freak. It really felt like the I. Rex was doing stuff out of spite and madness, so I kind of felt bad for it in the end. So chalk that up as something the movie did pretty well. I do like how JW is basically the MGS2 movie were the whole theme of the movie is taking out the piss of Franchise blockbusters and sequels
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Not having seen Jurassic World the poo poo that happens sounds very Weyland-Yutani to me or am I offbase in that assumption?
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Tracula posted:Not having seen Jurassic World the poo poo that happens sounds very Weyland-Yutani to me or am I offbase in that assumption? Not really. It's been a running theme since The Lost World that InGen is up to some incredibly shady business practices. The Masrani company that owns them after Hammond's death seems to be altruistic, but InGen is still pretty much working for themselves.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Not really. It's been a running theme since The Lost World that InGen is up to some incredibly shady business practices. The Masrani company that owns them after Hammond's death seems to be altruistic, but InGen is still pretty much working for themselves.
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Hey Poparena - are you American by any chance (you sound a little more American than Canadian to me but my accent divining skills aren't foolproof.) I was just wondering if you'd heard of the children's author Tony Abbott. I recently became aware of him, and was amused because our exceedingly crap PM is called Tony Abbott, and this guy, the author of SECRETS OF DROON, sounds way more entertaining. Is he well-known in the states?
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Something that struck me was how much this film resembled a sci-fi horror film like "Predator" or "Alien". From the heart rate monitors to the nightvision cameras to how the Indominus Rex can camouflage. Yeah, I know, nighvision goggles were in the original film but the cameras and the POV-kills felt very much like a sci-fi horror film in that vein. It also felt like "Avatar" in how Vincent D'onofrio's character was the designated military-industrial-complex villain, thumping his chest, wanting to weaponize the raptors and sell them but he dies brutally in the end.. I have to agree, the violence did feel a little unpleasant at certain times as if it was a directorial decision "because I can". I heard somewhere where the director of "Jurassic World" went to Stephen Spielberg and demanded a new script because it was terrible. I have to wonder how much worse or even better the original script was.
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Infamous Sphere posted:Hey Poparena - are you American by any chance (you sound a little more American than Canadian to me but my accent divining skills aren't foolproof.) I was just wondering if you'd heard of the children's author Tony Abbott. I recently became aware of him, and was amused because our exceedingly crap PM is called Tony Abbott, and this guy, the author of SECRETS OF DROON, sounds way more entertaining. Is he well-known in the states? I'm American, yeah. I've certainly heard of Tony Abbott and The Secrets of Droons, but have never read any of it myself. Can't speak for it's popularity or sales, I was just past its demographic when it was being published, but I do remember it coming up a few times during some "if you love Harry Potter, you'll love this" conversations (don't care for Harry Potter).
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Haven't seen Jurassic World yet (planning to tomorrow), but I'd guess that part of the higher on-screen body count is that that's simply become the norm for action movies. In the Star Trek movies you see people get sucked out into space any time there's a hull hit, warboys bite it by the dozen in Fury Road, and how many nameless enemies get shredded in Age of Ultron's opening scene alone? It's sort of weird and uncomfortable if you think about it, on-screen death on that level would have been seen as ghoulish back when Jurassic Park came out.
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I doubt it's really up to anything more than budget. The only movies that could afford huge death counts were ones that already had ludicrous casting/makeup budgets like historical dramas about massive battles. Movie budgets inflate and so does the size of all the spectacle, be it deaths, explosions, stupidly long establishing shots, etc.
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Benny the Snake posted:Something that struck me was how much this film resembled a sci-fi horror film like "Predator" or "Alien". From the heart rate monitors to the nightvision cameras to how the Indominus Rex can camouflage. Yeah, I know, nighvision goggles were in the original film but the cameras and the POV-kills felt very much like a sci-fi horror film in that vein. It also felt like "Avatar" in how Vincent D'onofrio's character was the designated military-industrial-complex villain, thumping his chest, wanting to weaponize the raptors and sell them but he dies brutally in the end.. I have to agree, the violence did feel a little unpleasant at certain times as if it was a directorial decision "because I can".
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You realise all this Jurassic World chat is basically a set-up for Hbomberguy to turn up and tell you that you are all objectively wrong? You know what you've done, don't you? Are you happy yet? 
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Bango?! Dymo R.N.A.!
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JW's greatest crime is that as hard as it's working that first movie, it fucks up the T-Rex sound effect.
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achillesforever6 posted:Yeah JP4 around 2006 there were a lot of batshit insane rumors on the script invovling human dino hybrids that reached concept art level that you can find pretty easy online. Human DNA would've made some of the hybrid's actions a bit more logical, to be fair. It seemed just a little bit too smart.
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Haven't not seen JW yet and going off trailers but wouldn't the excessive gore and violence also coincide with the face that the trailers say the new dino is killing purely for sport? Not so much 'being a freak' more that they've managed to create a dinosaur that thrives off violence and death? Also, does the new dino really give orders to other dinosaurs like the trailer implies? That's really kind of stupid
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:You realise all this Jurassic World chat is basically a set-up for Hbomberguy to turn up and tell you that you are all objectively wrong? You know what you've done, don't you? Are you happy yet? Except Hbomberguy toxxed himself out of the thread.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Haven't not seen JW yet and going off trailers but wouldn't the excessive gore and violence also coincide with the face that the trailers say the new dino is killing purely for sport? Not so much 'being a freak' more that they've managed to create a dinosaur that thrives off violence and death? Also, does the new dino really give orders to other dinosaurs like the trailer implies? That's really kind of stupid For the second part (slight movie spoiler) No, it doesn't "command" other dinosaurs except for one bit where it expresses dominance over some pack dinos. The new dino is still treated like an animal. Just a fairly smart one.
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Yea for all its build-up as THE GENETIC MODIFIED DINOSAUR I'm glad that it resulted in it just being a highly intelligent animal instead of some super-dino.
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Jsor posted:Except Hbomberguy toxxed himself out of the thread. For better or for worse. His arguments with everyone did spice things up when the stream of reviews were but at trickle.
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He was the best poster on the thread, and possibly SA.
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Annointed posted:His arguments with everyone did spice things up when the stream of reviews were but at trickle. But they were bad arguments and the only reason it generated a lot of posts was because he was misrepresenting opponents, refusing to refer to facts and generally trolling and thereby provoking posters into pointing out these points. So... The Vosgian Beast posted:He was the best poster on the thread, and possibly SA. ...something like that. E: And verily the radioactive half-life of his idiocy has seeded this ground with salt, even unto this day.
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If someone mentioned it, I missed it, so I'll just say that SFDebris put up the second part of his History of Comic Books.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Jesus christ. I've never watched one of those Sibling Rivalry videos before, but what in the ever loving gently caress? I legitimately felt bad for Rob, can you loving imagine living with a tool like that screaming nonstop? Neither Doug or Rob understand visual storytelling or the art of film. It's obvious when you see their films like To Boldly Flee, but for how long they have been in the reviewing game, you';d think they would have picked something up, at least by accident.
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PassTheRemote posted:Neither Doug or Rob understand visual storytelling or the art of film. It's obvious when you see their films like To Boldly Flee, but for how long they have been in the reviewing game, you';d think they would have picked something up, at least by accident. I think their overexposure to bad movies with bad dialogue and audio storytelling pretty much blinded their perception to visual storytelling. Visual metaphors, things that don't need to be said? What's that? Then again nonverbal communication is not often used in mainstream films so there you go. Take the fury road thing, Mad Max being replaceable is kind of the point. Annointed fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jun 14, 2015 |
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I don't know, I've been reviewing poo poo films since I started and I learned through those why their storytelling failed, and what makes a good movie, visual or otherwise. Doug has always been bad on picking up on clues that aren't verbally handed to him.
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Then again he did pick up the stylistic clash of A.I. but on the other hand everyone picked that up. Now I'm reminded of the fact that Old v. New and top 11 gently caress ups haven't been made in years. Though I'd figure for plenty of reasons the later is not ever going to made.
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Another Baywatching: Someone attempts to set Eddie on fire and Mitch rides a sweet WAVERUNNER TM. http://phelous.com/2015/06/14/obscurus-lupa/baywatching/baywatching-sea-of-flames/
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Just got back and it is indeed my favorite movie of the year, I loved Mad Max Fury Road and I know that is a better film on every level, but the last 10 minutes of Jurassic World made me feel like a kid again and I finally got closure on the bullshit T-Rex death from JP3 that partially killed my childhood.
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Miss Wallace posted:Another Baywatching: Someone attempts to set Eddie on fire and Mitch rides a sweet WAVERUNNER TM. I thought Lifeguard Old Man was the same person as Captain Thorpe. I guess I'm racist towards old white guys or something. Holy poo poo that old detective looks the same too! Why did every old white guy they cast have the same face and the same hair? I'm surprised you didn't comment on Shauni's double denim cropped contrast fabric vest thing - but then again, the spice guy pretty much blew her fashion crimes out of the water. What an amazing debut of such excellent aquatic vehicles.
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Infamous Sphere posted:I thought Lifeguard Old Man was the same person as Captain Thorpe. I guess I'm racist towards old white guys or something. Holy poo poo that old detective looks the same too! Why did every old white guy they cast have the same face and the same hair? I know right?? It doesn't help that my Thorpe voice and Lifeguard Old Man voice is so similar, ha ha. I did dig Shauni's vest though, gotta say.
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achillesforever6 posted:Just got back and it is indeed my favorite movie of the year, I loved Mad Max Fury Road and I know that is a better film on every level, but the last 10 minutes of Jurassic World made me feel like a kid again and I finally got closure on the bullshit T-Rex death from JP3 that partially killed my childhood. I won't deny there are parts of Jurassic World that absolutely nailed it. For one thing, they put an insane amount of detail and effort into making the park feel real. A petting zoo makes perfect sense and is just one of the ways they showed off just what you could do with a dino theme park.
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I was watching Sage's new review and he talks about visual storytelling. Kinda funny since you guys were talking about visual storytelling and how Doug and Rob don't get it. I'm not defending the two, just saying that it's an amusing coincidence.
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Miss Wallace posted:Too bad Hobie couldn't use those psychic powers to stop Mitch from becoming paralyzed in season 3. He tried! They wouldn't let him get into the chamber. Edit: Oh god, I just remembered that episode from the top of my head. What's the matter with me? Writer Cath fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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Miss Wallace posted:Another Baywatching: Someone attempts to set Eddie on fire and Mitch rides a sweet WAVERUNNER TM. Wait, it's a Gilligan's Island CROSSOVER!? I thought it was just Mitch and Eddie dressing up as The Skipper and Giligan. I don't know wether to feel terrified or cheated.
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