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Perry Normal
Jul 23, 2010

Humans disgust me. Vile creatures.
You know how Death is always Drac's second in command? It's kind of weird since Death is supposed to be, well, death, he should be the baddest of them all. By the fact that Drac can die it would seem Death shouldn't be working for him. But there he is, guarding the clock tower. Hell, even Shaft seems to be higher up the hierarchy some times. But it's frigging death.

My point is, Dracula should be second in command to Bloodstained's villain.

vvvvv Interesting, I never picked up on that. That's cool.

VVVVV Never played Lament of Innocence either. I should look for it at the pawn shop, I still have my PS2 hooked up.

Perry Normal fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Jun 14, 2015

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Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010
That's a translation thing. In Japanese, he isn't THE[i] Death, he's [i]A Death.

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?
According to Lament of Innocence, he who holds the Crimson Orb holds control of Death. Death will also grant him what essentially comes to Eternal Life with that, which is why he revives every 100 years after his last death. Death seems to like having Dracula as his master too, so it works out.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Look, Death and Dracula are tight, they've done so much poo poo together over the centuries, you wouldn't get that kind of deep frienship.

Can you just picture Dracula and Death boring young Alucard to death by showing him the sldies from that vacation they took to Austria years ago? They were so drunk, ahaha.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

MonsieurChoc posted:

Look, Death and Dracula are tight, they've done so much poo poo together over the centuries, you wouldn't get that kind of deep frienship.

Can you just picture Dracula and Death boring young Alucard to death by showing him the sldies from that vacation they took to Austria years ago? They were so drunk, ahaha.

A friendly reminder that when Alucard was young Death looked like this:



It's canon.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

I still think the best moment in the series is the Dracula and Death teamup in PoR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdobOmK56pk

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
Also great because "A Death and Dracula joint attack? That was never mentioned in any book I've read!" is the most ridiculous/amazing anime line in the game, up there with "I'll kill you AND the night!" from Lament of Innocence.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

ImpAtom posted:

A friendly reminder that when Alucard was young Death looked like this:



It's canon.

Probably just took the form so he wouldn't scare the daylight into his best friend's kid.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

Perry Normal posted:


vvvvv Interesting, I never picked up on that. That's cool.


To put it in a bit more detail, the Japanese name for Death is "死神" or "Shinigami" (which you'll recognize if you ever watched/read Death Note) which means "Death God" or god of death, or whatever. Shinigami are a type of creature as opposed to a single entity, like the western idea of a demon or angel.

Of course some of the Castlevania games simply call him "Death" as we do in English, so he may very well be intended to be THE Death (sorry hatred guy) or at least the Grim Reaper.




The Grimace posted:

According to Lament of Innocence, he who holds the Crimson Orb holds control of Death. Death will also grant him what essentially comes to Eternal Life with that, which is why he revives every 100 years after his last death. Death seems to like having Dracula as his master too, so it works out.

As far as I know in the Sorrow games Dracula most certainly isn't in control of the Crimson Orb, but Death still works to revive him.


There's something almost sweet about it, in a way. :3:




....Now I'm sad that the Reaper didn't win. :smith:


Genocyber posted:

I still think the best moment in the series is the Dracula and Death teamup in PoR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdobOmK56pk

Dracula is such a jerk, the glass he threw almost hit Charlotte. That's just petty.

Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jun 14, 2015

Nasgate
Jun 7, 2011
Yeah, i've always just seen it as Death and Dracula being homies at best, and at worst Drac and his feud with vampire hunters is probably good entertainment. Like, if you're evil and immortal, but you're smart and not comically evil or a jerk, there's not many people to hang out with.

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?
They don't really go into the Crimson Orb at all after Lament of Innocence. I always thought of it as some kind of callback to the orbs in Castlevania 1 that Simon would pick up as he beat bosses, but that's just because they were... red orbs. Most of the poo poo after that is just speculation.

Theories I'd read did suggest that Death fights Soma in the Sorrows games in order to bring back Dracula. Death doesn't talk in those games, so there's not really any guidance or truth to anything, just speculation, again.

Ultimately, it comes down to Death just being an extremely loyal servant to Dracula, and that's cool enough for me. :unsmith: I would love to pick Iga's brain about this stuff though, since he's so passionate about it. It's very unfortunate that he wouldn't divulge more information about what the 1999 game would be like.

Anonymous Robot
Jun 1, 2007

Lost his leg in Robo War I
Dracula commands death because he's conquered death, I thought that was self-evident.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

Anonymous Robot posted:

Dracula commands death because he's conquered death, I thought that was self-evident.

For someone who's conquered death he sure dies a hell of a lot.

Just sayin'

SaviourX
Sep 30, 2003

The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt.

Yeah, but that was after, and death probably sees a bunch of mortals coming in with a corded up piece of leather over and over and is like 'you'll be dead in x years, i'll just bring him back when you're not lol'. They never said he had to be smart about it.

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

The way the plot is phrased in the PSP SotN translation, it makes it sound like Dracula is constantly beset by powerful vampire hunters, though ones that are still weak enough to defeat. I like to think Death is the one stocking Dracula's castle with all these exotic, long dead monsters in exchange for the souls of the people who fail making it through the castle.

MarsDragon
Apr 27, 2010

"You've all learned something very important here: there are things in this world you just can't change!"

The Grimace posted:

They don't really go into the Crimson Orb at all after Lament of Innocence. I always thought of it as some kind of callback to the orbs in Castlevania 1 that Simon would pick up as he beat bosses, but that's just because they were... red orbs. Most of the poo poo after that is just speculation.

I always figured it was an explanation for why Dracula is often depicted with a red jewel of some kind of his chest. It's there in CV1, I think CV3, SotN... It doesn't really make sense for it to be the red orbs you pick up after the bosses die, since in LoI it will straight up turn you into a vampire. Ain't no Belmont turning into a vampire.

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?
Yeah, that's fair. I didn't even think about the Dracula character designs having a red gem on him somewhere, even though it's a painfully obvious character design now that I think about it. His necklace in CV1 is always the first thing I notice before his head appears.

Blackheart
Mar 22, 2013

If you want to be a dark lord you gotta have a Death. Galamoth has his own Death you know.

Shifty gimbal
Dec 28, 2008

Hey you... I got something to tell ya
Biscuit Hider
What's up with those red jewel things when you beat a boss, anyway?

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZyFJacZGQ

Looks like Adult Swim Games is gonna be releasing a sprite-based metroidvania with lots of elements reminiscent of SotN and Shadow of the Colossus. Color me excited.

Bluemillion
Aug 18, 2008

I got your dispensers
right here

The Grimace posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZyFJacZGQ

Looks like Adult Swim Games is gonna be releasing a sprite-based metroidvania with lots of elements reminiscent of SotN and Shadow of the Colossus. Color me excited.

:stare: There's nothing about this trailer I don't love.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


The Grimace posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZyFJacZGQ

Looks like Adult Swim Games is gonna be releasing a sprite-based metroidvania with lots of elements reminiscent of SotN and Shadow of the Colossus. Color me excited.

2d dark souls

The Grimace
Sep 18, 2005

Are you a BigMac of imbeciles!?
Definitely gonna be a day one buy for me. Any company who adheres to 2D sprites in this day and age where everything's about PROFIT FOR TIME has my respect. Beautiful spritework is something to be admired. :allears:

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Bluemillion posted:

:stare: There's nothing about this trailer I don't love.

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


I don't love the PS logo there, and the walking animation/speed feels slow. Otherwise it looks really good!

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

Dev Blog posted:


Upon dying, Death will siphon your soul and resurrect you at the last Shrine you activated.

That is some cool rear end poo poo.

swamp waste
Nov 4, 2009

There is some very sensual touching going on in the cutscene there. i don't actually think it means anything sexual but it's cool how it contrasts with modern ideas of what bad ass stuff should be like. It even seems authentic to some kind of chivalric masculine touching from a tyme longe gone

The Grimace posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZyFJacZGQ

Looks like Adult Swim Games is gonna be releasing a sprite-based metroidvania with lots of elements reminiscent of SotN and Shadow of the Colossus. Color me excited.

Oh wow that looks kind of loving good. The messed up parallax layers in some of the shots were giving me twitchy eye though

Chev
Jul 19, 2010
Switchblade Switcharoo

Anonymous Robot posted:

Dracula commands death because he's conquered death, I thought that was self-evident.
They had a limbo contest and Drac won

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

The Grimace posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZyFJacZGQ

Looks like Adult Swim Games is gonna be releasing a sprite-based metroidvania with lots of elements reminiscent of SotN and Shadow of the Colossus. Color me excited.

The first thirty seconds looked pretty alright, nothing major but pretty alright. Once the titan shows up, and the dude starts climbing it, poo poo gets real and I'm loving this. Also really like that shot near the end that's straight outta the Dark Souls 2 trailer.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

The Grimace posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNZyFJacZGQ

Looks like Adult Swim Games is gonna be releasing a sprite-based metroidvania with lots of elements reminiscent of SotN and Shadow of the Colossus. Color me excited.

That is a lot of galamoth-like motion tweening. Looks good for some, but looks poo poo on others, especially the player character.

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

Sorrowful be the heart
Any time I see a game with animation like that I can't help but think of Earnest Evans.

Maleh-Vor
Oct 26, 2003

Artificial difficulty.
Those player animations look a bit poo poo. Movement looks really clunky and floaty as well.

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Looks pleasant but unrefined, probably gonna play that way, too.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Maleh-Vor posted:

Those player animations look a bit poo poo. Movement looks really clunky and floaty as well.

earnestevans.txt

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
If you like Retsupurae, slowbeef and Diabeetus mocking Ernest Evans is a good time.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:

Pope Guilty posted:

If you like Retsupurae, slowbeef and Diabeetus mocking Ernest Evans is a good time.

YESSS!!! The best is how you can "break your legs" and just slide around forever. If you look at around 2:10, I never did figure out if you're supposed to be able to climb walls like that any time you want or if it's a glitch. :D

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
Some of my favorite "Castlevania" music that I'm sure had some influence (especially on SCV4/SotN/LoI). Folks who like Castlevania music may enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRq4T_hfptU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtjz-XAdK_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxDGSHiJ90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmYaPrCgZ68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrrbhcLJI8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dWRq1v-x7c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpnugmUTAlI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9AijKI2kl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vsDSWu7eZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSLaYJboPE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc__YiipwZg#t=3m5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huothmszKCU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zHq2MBtXS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsVOTrAu7yI

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

SatansBestBuddy posted:

The first thirty seconds looked pretty alright, nothing major but pretty alright. Once the titan shows up, and the dude starts climbing it, poo poo gets real and I'm loving this. Also really like that shot near the end that's straight outta the Dark Souls 2 trailer.

The boss HP bar is also super reminiscent of the Souls games.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Man, Gergoth in DoS always gets me, all of its attacks are super telegraphed but it's the first (only?) boss in the game where you can't afford to take more than two or three hits. One if it hits you with the stone gas attack.

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ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

It really doesn't help that Gergoth's room is so tiny. If you're willing to grind a soul to level 9, I'd recommend getting the Fleaman soul so you can just throw those guys out and do some free damage while you focus on not getting hit by anything. My strategy when I played DoS last month was basically throw as many fleamen as I could, dodge attacks by staying as far away from him as possible and reacting and getting as much free damage as I could during the descent to the bottom. You can hit the gas clouds away from you but I find that too risky, so I just stay away. His laser's really annoying to dodge because it covers so much range that the only place that's safe is right on his toe, but even then you might accidentally get too close and touch him. If you're lucky, he'll do the laser from mid-room so you can just jump kick over him to the safe side.

Similarly, OoE's Blackmore is wrecking my poo poo for very similar reasons: small space to fight, huge attacks with little room to dodge, hits like a train. I think I have phase 1 down, but phase 2 mixes things up too much for me to reliably handle.

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