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I mean that's the plan I was just wondering if there was a reason I cannot do any of the other things and she seems immune to being caught
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I Love You! posted:I mean that's the plan I was just wondering if there was a reason I cannot do any of the other things and she seems immune to being caught Oh yeah idk certain things in ck2 piss me off like that. I'm an EMPEROR who holds the title of HEAD OF X RELIGION and you're telling me I cant toss this dumb gently caress in prison? Gtfo
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Jun 15, 2015 03:57
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What I find off is when you can imprison someone for a legitimate reason a lot of the time you can't banish or execute them without taking a hit to your reputation.
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Jun 15, 2015 04:19
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Goofballs posted:What I find off is when you can imprison someone for a legitimate reason a lot of the time you can't banish or execute them without taking a hit to your reputation. isn't imprisoning them enough?
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Jun 15, 2015 04:22
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cheesetriangles posted:Is the Mongol DLC going to have a genocide mechanic? Or are they just going to white wash that stuff? Temüjin did nothing wrong. 
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Jun 15, 2015 04:24
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Goofballs posted:What I find off is when you can imprison someone for a legitimate reason a lot of the time you can't banish or execute them without taking a hit to your reputation. The issue with imprisonment is that generally when you can do it, you get one "free" action against that person - and imprisonment itself counts. So you can throw them in jail but then you're stuck because you've used up your freebie so you either leave them to rot or just let them out (or ransom them if they have a title). Banishment is basically never "free" because even when you do get cause to revoke a title, banishment counts as a revocation for EACH title you strip from them. Execution oddly enough is considered less tyrannical than banishment most of the time.
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Jun 15, 2015 04:27
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:isn't imprisoning them enough? no
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The issue with imprisonment is that generally when you can do it, you get one "free" action against that person - and imprisonment itself counts. So you can throw them in jail but then you're stuck because you've used up your freebie so you either leave them to rot or just let them out (or ransom them if they have a title). Banishment is basically never "free" because even when you do get cause to revoke a title, banishment counts as a revocation for EACH title you strip from them. Execution oddly enough is considered less tyrannical than banishment most of the time. Banish gains $ while execution gains rivals
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Jun 15, 2015 04:31
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Yeah I get what you're saying but when you imprison a vassal you run the risk they escape and raise a rebellion so to me once you get them imprisoned you should have more free reign to do what you want within reason because you just did the risky part. Like I don't think executing them should cost you or at least not cost you heavily at that point but banishing and revoking all the titles should cost you more because you are basically wiping out an entire family Its not a big deal its just the annoying thing about some of the people you imprison is that no matter what you do they're going to hate you, quite possibly for good reason, so you can't release them but your going to take rep hits with people asking for their release
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Jun 15, 2015 04:52
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Execution is almost always going to be a smaller deal than stripping a noble house of its holdings, not just acting against one guy but his heirs and entire line. One is an offense against a person, but the other is a pretty fundamental abrogation of the feudal sensibilities so you need a good loving reason for it. Hell Machiavelli even says basically "Kill dudes if you need to, but by Christ make sure their heirs still have their wealth or you'll have real problems on your hands."
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Jun 15, 2015 05:29
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I Love You! posted:Is this a bug or can I really just not interact with anyone related to the crown in the current version? She appears to be invincible. She is just so cunning, and perhaps well liked by the people that she's untouchable. Sometimes you have to let people think you're a terrible person for doing the right thing  Edit: I save them up for the Blot. My dungeons are stacked, and anybody not rich enough to walk is sacrificed to the gods.
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Jun 15, 2015 05:35
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The General posted:
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The General posted:I save them up for the Blot. My dungeons are stacked, and anybody not rich enough to walk is sacrificed to the gods. "Only nets me 25 gold" counts as not rich enough. I think I'll do vikings again my next game. Whip up a tasty Scandinavia real quick, then head for India.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:17
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Dareon posted:"Only nets me 25 gold" counts as not rich enough. If you can't dig up a measly 50 coins, you/your family clearly doesn't have a future anyways.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:28
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Dareon posted:"Only nets me 25 gold" counts as not rich enough. I just let everyone who can pay anything go. I mean, I have so many prisoners as a Viking that I always get at least 4 who can't pay the ransom and that's as many as I can sacrifice so I might as well get paid for the others. I'd totally use a mod that let you sacrifice every prisoner at once, though.
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Jun 15, 2015 08:38
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I'm basically never at peace and I have raided / wiped out many of their families. People spend entire lives in my dungeons.
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Playing as a custom kingdom encompassing large swaths of Finland and Russia, the reformed Slavics declare a Great Holy War on me. poo poo. The Slavic Premyslyd dynasty (or however it's spelled) controls separately the kingdoms of Lithuania, Bohemia, Ruthenia, Pannonia, Poland, and Pomerania, and the "Warriors of Perun" control all of Germany. Any one of those world powers at least equals me in troops, most of them exceed me. I think, "Welp! I'm boned." Then I click on their holy leader to see where she's holed up, and it's the next county over. So I send several thousand troops to the temple, cart her out on her rear end and make her say sorry. For doing this, I am nicknamed "The Hammer". EDIT: The slavs also control Croatia, albeit with a different dynasty. Holy hell they're doing well this game. Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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I think my favorite playthrough was when Old Gods first came out and was horribly broken... The Byzantines were smashed quickly by the abbasids who collapsed in decadence revolts, Spain fell to Islam too, while the Norse handily absorbed the British Isles, while the Magyars remained Tengrii and kept Europe on its toes, the Karlings squabbled while the Christian world was reduced to France, Germany and Italy... then the Seljuks showed up and turned North for some reason and conquered all the way to Bavaria... I eventually ended up the Emperor of all Christianity and used the console to make the pope a vassal ( ) as I tried to maintain control of Europe while heresy ran rampant. Then things got worse when the Aztecs invaded because I just expended a ton of resources driving the Scottish-Norse trade republic from England to have my armies smashed apart and my empire collapsed into a bunch of heretic realms. Finally the mongols ravaged the east until they reformed Tengrism, and lasted till Timur annihilated everything in the east and formed an empire spanning from Poland to Arabia... If the new horde expansion can make that utter insanity of a game again I am sold. Best part though was the Norse Fylkir declaring a holy war against the aztecs for Ireland that said Thor will strike down the feathered serpent and winning. 
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I'd genuinely be down for another expansion pack that just messes up history in the way that Sunset Invasion does. Charlemagne actually comes close at times given how often I see Catholicism just completely shatter when I play it, but its not quite the same.
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Sometimes the no valid plot thing is because of some dumb reason like you're trying to start a plot in the wrong part of the interface or (if youre me) its because you forgot you already have a plot going against some dude who is now a million miles away or some poo poo so you can't get a new one until you discard the old one.
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I've only played a short game as Charlemagne as I got bored of him eventually (being too powerful never interests me too much), are there events where Charlemagne gets Abul-Abbas at any point in the game? If not, Groogy, you need to add an event where Charlemagne can spend a whole load of money for a single event spawned war elephant unit. Make it a real bitch to receive, like the canals in EUIV. I want my elephant.
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Jun 15, 2015 12:42
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I had a weird dream about a CK2 mod where it's basically just events and traits that slowly creep into the world over time from the darkest of Brothers Grimm stuff, gradually loving stuff up, and I think I might need to learn to mod now. Hapsburgs? Werewovles.
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paranoid randroid posted:To be completely honest, the Karens are only worth playing if you have a real perverse desire to prove what hot poo poo you are at the game. Rajas expanded Persia considerably, so whereas before you could squeak out a win against the Saffarids if you bribed & chancellored them for long enough to beat up the Samanids and take their poo poo, right now you're basically never going to be able to go toe-to-toe against Persia with just Khiva. Your other avenue of expansion is Turkestan, which sucks. You're reliant on getting really really lucky, and you might not know you're completely hosed until like an hour into the game. I remember eons ago doing my Zoroastrian game doing the opposite. Converting to Sunni when I was holy war'd and then reconverting when I was strong enough to stand up for myself.
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Steam's now got the CK2 series on a deeper discount for anyone still waiting for that DLC (so Charlemange's now about $4)
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Might as well buy it all I guess, are the ebooks like fanfiction? I guess I can do without that. gently caress me that's a lot of content to deal with. Well. poo poo. I don't know where to start now. I guess I'll be a merchant republic.
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Jun 15, 2015 19:04
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Oh poo poo one of the eBooks is Song of Roland.
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So is the CK2 collection that's $40 on steam right now missing any DLC that I should care about? I've been peripherally interested in this game for a while now and I figure if I'm going to get it, it's going to be right now.
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The base game plus Way of Life is still keeping me going, maybe just buy those before buying everything. e: As someone who very definitely likes CK2 a great deal, is there anything that DLCs that aren't Way of Life or Sons of Abraham will add to Catholic ruler games? Walton Simons fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jun 15, 2015 |
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verbal enema posted:Banish gains $ while execution gains rivals actually, you only get their money if they do not have a valid heir now yet another change implanted solely to slow down world conquest attempts 
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This was really useful for DLC purchase decision making. e: My game can completely bugged out. The Queen of Scotland has hired mercs who won't fight anyone so I have 99% warscore but can't win a battle since I can't fight these mercs. Any ideas on how to fix? e2: She finally surrendered at 99% but this mercenary army is just wandering around not being able to fight. I might try switching to the Queen of Scotland. e3: They just upped and vanished 
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Jun 15, 2015 21:45
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I am a vassal of the pope, and there was a peasant revolt. I could request a claim on the title of Papal Peasant Revolt...if I got it, would it break the game or anything?
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Jun 15, 2015 23:38
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Walton Simons posted:This was really useful for DLC purchase decision making. Were you the same religion as she was? She might have hired a holy order that refused to fight you.
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They could well have been, it would be really odd behaviour since we're a long way from any non-Catholics, though.
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I haven't played a trade republic before, what should I be getting up to as a general order of business? I assume I shouldn't take as much land mass as possible?
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Excelzior posted:actually, you only get their money if they do not have a valid heir now *fart noise*
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Goofballs posted:I haven't played a trade republic before, what should I be getting up to as a general order of business? I assume I shouldn't take as much land mass as possible? You can seize land if you want it (Trade republics have two unique CBs - one that lets you take control of a city in a province where you have a trade post, and one that lets you take the whole county if you control a city there), but your main source of income is going to be from trade posts, and for those you're going to need a lot of unlanded male dynasty members in your court. So your priorities should be: 1) Build trade posts 2) Arrange marriages for as many male dynasty members as you can (so they can have sons which will allow you to do more of 1), don't give them landed titles. 3) Win elections, which should be fairly trivial since you'll have more than enough money from trade posts alone. 4) Build more cities in your capital county if you have room. 5) Seize other counties, build cities or baronies there. 5 is more or less optional - Republics CAN be played as a big empire, but unlike Feudal realms, don't really HAVE to. You can continue to increase your income without acquiring more land, and you can hire mercenaries to serve as your military protection. Hell you'll probably be making enough money that you can just keep mercenaries around as a standing army. Your estate provides a pretty decent amount of troops on its own, too. Also, if you've got the Legacy of Rome DLC, Merchant Republics can get a lot of retinue points by building garrisons at your trade posts. The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jun 16, 2015 |
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Sounds interesting, I started at 1066 to make things a bit more familiar and now I'm back to my old long term goal of find some way to mess up the HRE
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Is there like a newbie guide/ poo poo you should know list anywhere before playing? Ive never played a game like this and am kinda lost
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The Cheshire Cat posted:You can seize land if you want it (Trade republics have two unique CBs - one that lets you take control of a city in a province where you have a trade post, and one that lets you take the whole county if you control a city there), but your main source of income is going to be from trade posts, and for those you're going to need a lot of unlanded male dynasty members in your court. So your priorities should be: If you have Way of Life having your first guy take the Seduction focus can be good too. If you invite a lot of debutants you can breed an army of sons (don't bother to legitimise the daughters, they can't inherit in a republic so just acknowledging them is enough). Your wife will hate you and you'll get tagged as a poxy adulterous cradle-robber, but as long as you stick to unmarried women it isn't too much of an opinion hit. If you can get a bunch of sons that should be self-sustaining in future generations, so your subsequent dudes can focus on other things. Your sons are all pretty mad about being locked into Seniority Succession, so in the long run a bunch of sons isn't as good as a bunch of more distant Kinsmen.
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^^^You want all the sons and all the kinsmen. All of them, always.Waroduce posted:Is there like a newbie guide/ poo poo you should know list anywhere before playing? Ive never played a game like this and am kinda lost look up arumba's youtube tutorial.
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