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Long story short, your finger shouldn't be on the trigger unless you're ready to fire. By placing your finger on the trigger as you aim at a person, you're making the decision to be one muscle movement away from murder.
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Devor posted:Don't worry, you would never catch one of your guys doing this. I wasn't a cop, and the military actually takes this poo poo pretty seriously. So no, you don't know what you're talking about. Dead Reckoning posted:Oh goody gumdrops, we're back to comparing soldiers and the police again. Fair enough, though anytime I read something that makes me think "that wouldn't even be appropriate on a combat patrol", I kind of feel like its a valid point to make.
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Jun 14, 2015 23:56
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Thirty accidental discharges in a year is loving hilariously bad and not even training or new equipment suffices as an explanation. It's just the same disgusting incompetence and laziness that permeates every other corner of police work.
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Jarmak posted:I wasn't a cop, and the military actually takes this poo poo pretty seriously.  Sorry that when someone says 'on patrol' in the cops thread, in discussion about the actions of cops with weapons, I interpreted that as referring to police, and not military. I'm glad you straightened us all out about how our nation ostensibly treats Iraqis and Afghans better than black Americans.
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Jun 15, 2015 00:10
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Having your finger on the trigger was barely OK for double-action revolvers, and honestly it was a bad old legacy training. Really, too much training in general makes a single action of drawing and firing; this is one area where techniques developed for competition aren't helpful. If police need to draw their weapon but have not decided to fire, they should be at low ready with their finger straight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVefRV5so9U Also, Judge dismisses animal cruelty charges against police officer Robert Melia for sex with cows http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/judge-dismisses-animal-cruelty-charges-police-officer-robert-melia-sex-cows-article-1.380819 Professionals.
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Jun 15, 2015 00:45
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quote:A New Jersey judge has dismissed animal cruelty charges against a cop accused of committing a sex act with young cows, saying a grand jury had no way of knowing whether the animals were "tormented." 
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Jun 15, 2015 01:18
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loving New Jersey.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:loving New Jersey. No, cows. They're loving cows.
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Jun 15, 2015 02:12
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the dude literally hosed a cow and the judge is still covering for him what do you have to do to get fired from the force at this point
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Dazzling Addar posted:the dude literally hosed a cow and the judge is still covering for him Report another cop for police brutality.
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Livestock matters!
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Jose posted:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/14/woman-strip-searched-lwins-damages-met-police I wish I could tell the story of a roofied rape victim who was at some point before the SART exam taken from the hospital and arrested for filing a false report. But attorney client. You'll never guess who the alledged perp was. The DA filed against her too, thankfully the judge was as livid as I was and dismissed it.
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Jun 15, 2015 02:52
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Pohl posted:Why is it always Texas or Florida, the freedom states? Because you are a biggot with no critical thinking skills? http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...3ddc_story.html
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Jun 15, 2015 04:10
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Dazzling Addar posted:the dude literally hosed a cow and the judge is still covering for him Which is somehow even weirder. Dazzling Addar posted:what do you have to do to get fired from the force at this point
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Rent-A-Cop posted:
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Actually he sucked off some baby cows. No, he got some baby cows to suck him off. Which is silghtly less weird but probably a much worse idea for reasons unrelated to law or ethics.
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If someone is filming a police officer, and the cop says "surrender your phone I need it for evidence", is that a cue to just run away as fast as possible? Does trying to perform an unlawful order give you any right to refuse?
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Yawgmoft posted:If someone is filming a police officer, and the cop says "surrender your phone I need it for evidence", is that a cue to just run away as fast as possible? Does trying to perform an unlawful order give you any right to refuse? The most likely result of running from a cop, even one giving an unlawful order, is being shot in the back (doubly so if you're black or Latino).
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Jun 15, 2015 05:14
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Yawgmoft posted:If someone is filming a police officer, and the cop says "surrender your phone I need it for evidence", is that a cue to just run away as fast as possible? Does trying to perform an unlawful order give you any right to refuse? I guess if you're white and you're confident that you can outrun the guy then sure, a cop probably won't shoot a white person in the back, but if he catches you he's gonna hurt you pretty bad for not doing what he says.
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Dazzling Addar posted:the dude literally hosed a cow and the judge is still covering for him Animal sex isn't illegal in a lot of states. Its one of those things you think would be banned everywhere but it turns out its not. Same with loving corpses, people who get caught doing it have to be charged with illegal removal of medical waste or something. The only way you can get someone on an animal sex charge in some places is by charging them with animal cruelty.
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Powercrazy posted:Because you are a biggot with no critical thinking skills? I can't take a joke 
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pentyne posted:Animal sex isn't illegal in a lot of states. Its one of those things you think would be banned everywhere but it turns out its not. Same with loving corpses, people who get caught doing it have to be charged with illegal removal of medical waste or something. The only way you can get someone on an animal sex charge in some places is by charging them with animal cruelty. The judge dismissed the case because the judge decided the grand jury wouldn't be able to decide if having sex with animals was tormenting them.
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The rise of vindictive CPS strikes is as bad as SWATting people.
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FRINGE posted:The rise of vindictive CPS strikes is as bad as SWATting people. It's just scare-mongering to make people feel safe for locking their kids up when in reality 95% of child abductions/abuse are going to be committed by close personal associates of the family not trench-coat guy offering candy in a van. Its far, far easier to go after soft targets like this then try to convince the public that the real threat is always going to come from someone close that you trust. Still, 10 is too young to be walking an entire mile with a 6 year old. Trips down the block yeah, but if the law says 13 is the minimum to be "in care of" another child that seems pretty reasonable. I'd expect that parents not out to make a statement would've just shadowed the kids, so they parents know they're safe and the children get to feel like they've gain responsibility. quote:The Meitivs say their son told police that he and his sister were not doing anything illegal and are allowed to walk. Usually, their mother said, the children carry a laminated card with parent contact information that says: “I am not lost. I am a free-range kid.” The kids didn’t have the card that day. If you have to print a card because you're worried you're kids are going to get picked up you know for a fact it will become and issue and you are daring the world to challenge you.
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pentyne posted:If you have to print a card because you're worried you're kids are going to get picked up you know for a fact it will become and issue and you are daring the world to challenge you. It's a reasonable thing to challenge. I used to walk my sister to and from school (3 miles round trip) when I was 8-12 and her being 2 years younger. Montgomery County doesn't even seem that dangerous in terms of crime statistics.
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I am having a bad Monday so far. Anyone remember that time someone in here posted about how cops in one of the largest cities in America are trained to have their finger on the trigger when aiming at a target and we had a good laugh about how farcical that is? Would someone please dig that up so I can have a good laugh to cheer myself up? Anyway, AJE is bringing their Fault Lines series back to Baltimore to take a look at the city in the wake of the riots. This metaphor for the city is particularly apt, especially the Western District: quote:Baltimore as Gaza. And, in case anyone misses that, you have city police described as an "occupation force" and a "legalized gang." But since the cops only kick the poo poo out of black people under the guise of "safety" and have routinely in the past been caught arresting people without probable cause just to take them down to central booking to record fingerprints/DNA/tattoos. Funny how the BPD is all up in arms about their own getting hit by questionable PC! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck broken windows and O'Malley for bringing it to the city. It's somehow been normalized among the whites in the city/surrounding counties (which unironically have pretty sizable KKK contingents) so we get to see plenty of fwd: fwd: fwd: BLACK STRAWMEN DOING STRAWMEN THINGS so nothing will change there. Thankfully, however, whites are about a 1/3rd minority inside the city and even with having enough wealth to afford to vote the bloc can't hopefully do much to stop the shifting winds in the city. Hopefully at the least, Freddie Gray dying starts pushing people to fix the broken rear end police department in the city.
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pentyne posted:Still, 10 is too young to be walking an entire mile with a 6 year old.
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I don't know where the gently caress all you guys grew up, but when I was 10 I was perfectly capable of walking a mile home each day, and I never got raped or murdered, and neither did any of my friends who also walked home every day. I really can't believe how so many people can forget what a child even is, and just assume that they're all a bunch of blindly wandering retarded monkeys that will walk right into the ocean and drown if you don't constantly supervise them.
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How the hell did what the Baltimore police end up doing somehow earn the name of "broken window policing"? (And the same goes for the stupid New York frisking policy) It is, like... the exact opposite of the concept in so many ways. It does not help the goal, it does not employ the methods, it does not in any way serve the purpose of broken windows policy. It's just one of those things where the authorities take what looks like a good proposal and then uses it as an excuse to increase their own power while barely paying it lip service, isn't it? (see: Communism)
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GlyphGryph posted:How the hell did what the Baltimore police end up doing somehow earn the name of "broken window policing"? (And the same goes for the stupid New York frisking policy) It is, like... the exact opposite of the concept in so many ways. It does not help the goal, it does not employ the methods, it does not in any way serve the purpose of broken windows policy. Police State double-think is nothing new.
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:Anyone remember that time someone in here posted about how cops in one of the largest cities in America are trained to have their finger on the trigger when aiming at a target and we had a good laugh about how farcical that is? Would someone please dig that up so I can have a good laugh to cheer myself up?
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ChairMaster posted:I don't know where the gently caress all you guys grew up, but when I was 10 I was perfectly capable of walking a mile home each day, and I never got raped or murdered, and neither did any of my friends who also walked home every day. I really can't believe how so many people can forget what a child even is, and just assume that they're all a bunch of blindly wandering retarded monkeys that will walk right into the ocean and drown if you don't constantly supervise them. It isn't the kids they don't trust, it's their neighbors and any strange individual in the area.
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Talmonis posted:It isn't the kids they don't trust, it's their neighbors and any strange individual in the area. A stable non-paranoid and healthy outlook indeed.
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Talmonis posted:It isn't the kids they don't trust, it's their neighbors and any strange individual in the area. They're all out to get me! And my kids! Every single neighbourhood in the world is just full of evil child murderers and kidnappers and any kid that walks home will definitely be killed! What do you mean the world is actually a safer place than it's ever been? That's bullshit, everyone's out to get me and we must always be as vigilant as possible! I have no idea where these kinds of people grew up that they think that everyone is after their dumb lovely kids. Or if they think that all kids are so fuckin dumb that they'll just follow a stranger and do whatever they say no matter what. Is it Somalia or some middle eastern country or something?
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Powercrazy posted:A stable non-paranoid and healthy outlook indeed. It's the most common one, unfortunately. ChairMaster posted:They're all out to get me! And my kids! Every single neighbourhood in the world is just full of evil child murderers and kidnappers and any kid that walks home will definitely be killed! What do you mean the world is actually a safer place than it's ever been? That's bullshit, everyone's out to get me and we must always be as vigilant as possible! People watch child rapists and murderers on the news. They watch Dateline with Chris Haaansen. Nobody wants their kid to wind up like that, and the media dosen't help. Statistics don't really matter to someone who's afraid for their kid. "That 1% has to come from somewhere." The stereotype is the white van with no windows, and some guy just grabbing the kid and tossing them in the back. It doesn't have to be realistic or common to be a concern. The possible becomes an obsession for them.
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FRINGE posted:The rise of vindictive CPS strikes is as bad as SWATting people. Purely because it's a waste of CPS' limited resources. They're not going to do anything unless there's some overwhelming danger or evidence of abuse or neglect.
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[quote="FRINGE" post=" "] 446583354 The rise of vindictive CPS strikes is a. s bad as SWATting people. [/quote] It isn't really a rise, its a spread: state government bodies are starting to treat affluent and middle class and white families the way they have always treated poor and brown families. Partly its the collapse of wink-and-nod racially biased reporting and enforcement, partly its the collapse of the middle class rendering everyone relatively poor and therefore relatively vulnerable.
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GlyphGryph posted:How the hell did what the Baltimore police end up doing somehow earn the name of "broken window policing"? (And the same goes for the stupid New York frisking policy) It is, like... the exact opposite of the concept in so many ways. It does not help the goal, it does not employ the methods, it does not in any way serve the purpose of broken windows policy. Pretty much. Instead of physically cleaning up run-down neighborhoods to deter criminals as broken windows theory actually prescribes, we just flood them with police that treat all of the residents as criminals once they run out of petty vandals to arrest.
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