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Angry Fish posted:I believe we need to think more pessimistically about AMD's prospects, given the fact that they have less than 10% of Intel's research budget. 2.9 billion vs 250 million. My impression is that most of the legwork on Zen is already complete, and that it's up to GloFo to produce not poo poo yields. Zen is supposed to be an incredibly high volume part, so I'm betting some kind of leak on performance in Q2 is inevitable, heck Q3 is supposed to be desktop consumer release, it's likely we might hear performance specs on Zen in 6 months.
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AMD has gotten lots more cagey about releasing info. on their future products though. So far there is very little concrete to go on about Zen and it will most likely stay that way for quite a while unfortunately.
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Shaocaholica posted:IMO, cable management hasn't really gotten much better and it really should be eliminated at the root which is having cables in the first place. The worst is when you get everything nice and neat and then you can loving change anything or it becomes a pain to remove a part because you've got your cables fastened down so tight. On the other hand, most of the more expensive cases these days have space for cable management behind the motherboard wall. I have an absolute mess back there, but it doesn't matter, because all the airflow is in the main compartment, and it's not like cables need airflow 
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Truga posted:On the other hand, most of the more expensive cases these days have space for cable management behind the motherboard wall. I have an absolute mess back there, but it doesn't matter, because all the airflow is in the main compartment, and it's not like cables need airflow New "audiophile" grade cable concept. You have to let the cables breath, so the bits can flow freely. All you digital data will flow with much improved spatialness with and open sound stage and colourful brightness to the bits.
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Stanley Pain posted:New "audiophile" grade cable concept. You have to let the cables breath, so the bits can flow freely. All you digital data will flow with much improved spatialness with and open sound stage and colourful brightness to the bits. Don't.
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Truga posted:On the other hand, most of the more expensive cases these days have space for cable management behind the motherboard wall. I have an absolute mess back there, but it doesn't matter, because all the airflow is in the main compartment, and it's not like cables need airflow Out of sight out of mind? Doesn't really solve the issue.
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Shaocaholica posted:Out of sight out of mind? Doesn't really solve the issue. Think of it as a big flat cable raceway.
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Shaocaholica posted:Out of sight out of mind? Doesn't really solve the issue. No, the issue with cabling is air flow. If the cabling is not there, the issue is solved. I frankly couldn't care less what the innards of a PC look like if it performs well and is easy to maintain. Both of which it is.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:AMD has gotten lots more cagey about releasing info. on their future products though.  Here's a sample roadmap showing Initial Production (IP) for Zen (Summit Ridge) starting in Oct 2016, which might indicate and end of 2016/beginning of 2017 launch, which would have Zen going against Cannonlake. Good luck AMD. E: Bristol Ridge is a DDR4 Carrizo-Refresh with Excavator cores according to the same presentation: 
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Jun 16, 2015 09:48
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2MB shared L2 between how many loving cores? jesus christ... Talk about starved.
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Zen v. Skylake was something I could see as being, "ehh, okay this might be a good value offering sure let's see." Cannonlake is going to continue the generation-ahead advantage Intel has had since two computer purchases ago.
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Jun 16, 2015 13:29
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FaustianQ posted:Don't. I see you don't like making money  . Pretty sure I've seen $30K ethernet cables. 
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Stanley Pain posted:I see you don't like making money Most I've seen is $8k. http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B000I1X6PM
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Thats nice but not the sort of details I mean. Architectural details, clockspeed, price, etc. are far more interesting than expected production dates for Zen. If it doesn't perform decently or they price it stupidly who cares when it comes out after all right?Angry Fish posted:2MB shared L2 between how many loving cores? jesus christ... If Cannonlake offers similar CPU performance improvements that we've been seeing out of Intel since Ivy Bridge then AMD is fine so long as they're willing to sell their CPU's for a ~20% discount vs comparable Intel products. Which is pretty much what they did in the K5 and K6 days. Remember Cannonlake is supposed to be a die shrink of Skylake with little to no architectural changes so IPC probably won't change much if any at all. Any significant performance changes would either have to come from some new 'secret sauce' (ie. PIM's in on die memory to pre process some things), changes in the cache structure (ie. big honkin' (512MB+) eDRAM or SRAM cache with super low latency) and/or clockspeed improvements. Given the post Sandy Bridge long term trend of Intel focusing on reducing power usage rather than performance I wouldn't go expecting a whole lot out of Cannonlake vs Skylake. And if AMD really can get Haswell-ish performance out of Zen they've got a real shot to do some decent sales since you'd only be looking at around ~10-15% performance difference vs Skylake per clock. Outside of benchmarks you won't see a difference in performance if AMD can pull that off.
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Angry Fish posted:Most I've seen is $8k. 612 reviews.
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Angry Fish posted:Most I've seen is $8k. I see you haven't found these yet
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Stanley Pain posted:I see you haven't found these yet  Man, I need to get involved in that business.
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Stanley Pain posted:I see you haven't found these yet They sure look cool though. I'd totally use those cables for 1/1000 of the price. edit: snag these up at an estate sale in about 30 years for a few pennies. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 16, 2015 |
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Jun 16, 2015 19:00
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Stanley Pain posted:I see you don't like making money Just the whole thing is dumbtarded and I've spent quite a bit of time telling people their 100$ purchase was foolish.
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FaustianQ posted:Just the whole thing is dumbtarded and I've spent quite a bit of time telling people their 100$ purchase was foolish. Audophiles or just people on the internet in general? Because frankly, raving at a brick wall tend to illicit a better response than talking audiophiles down from a super dumb purchase.
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GrizzlyCow posted:Audophiles or just people on the internet in general? Because frankly, raving at a brick wall tend to illicit a better response than talking audiophiles down from a super dumb purchase. People in general and people in real life. The worst part is even physically demonstrating that it was a dumb purchase doesn't change minds. The higher the price, the higher the emotional investment 
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Why bother talking audiophiles out of anything? Its their money. As long as they aren't hurting themselves or others who cares?
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They need to acknowledge the superior scientific methods put forth by people who clearly know better. Furthermore,
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As opposed to trying to talk people out of believing in a man that lives in the sky?
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If you don't know why anyone would want to talk someone out of buying a $100 electrical outlet, then I don't know what to say.
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Shaocaholica posted:Why bother talking audiophiles out of anything? Its their money. As long as they aren't hurting themselves or others who cares? I wasn't talking about audiophiles in particular? The vast majority of people are dumb when it comes to electronics and can easily be fooled by any snake oil pitch. Is it really a crime to hope I can save someone money?
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There's a clear difference between say, helping someone get good parts in the PC picking thread versus encouraging them to buy $10K snakeoil cables that they're going to do anyways. If someone's going to be real dumb about it you might as well get some enjoyment out of it.
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Shaocaholica posted:Why bother talking audiophiles out of anything? Its their money. As long as they aren't hurting themselves or others who cares? Belief in pseudosciences and the disbelief in rational thought and logic that tends to accompany said belief is a form of anti-intellectualism. I would argue that constitues harming others, as it harms society 
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quote:Is it really possible that the sound quality of bit-identical audio files' is influenced by their storage medium before being delivered to the hi-fi system's DAC? http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hificritic/vol5_no3/listening_to_storage.htm audiophiles: bit identical but sounds different.
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Hey, cool it guys. We're here to talk about AMD and not $150 audiophile electric outlets. So how will Carrizo-L affect audio quality?
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FaustianQ posted:People in general and people in real life. The worst part is even physically demonstrating that it was a dumb purchase doesn't change minds. The higher the price, the higher the emotional investment My aunt always buys the most expensive article on a shelf. "This fridge for $1500 with the exact same specs and a gold plated handle must be better than that $500 fridge, surely?" A lot of people are absolutely convinced that if the exact same thing is more expensive, it must be premium quality. GrizzlyCow posted:So how will Carrizo-L affect audio quality? It's funny, how self proclaimed audiophiles can afford $10k cables, but can't seem to afford a $20 USB DAC that resides outside the EM influence of their PC's innards. Sure, the sound quality out of a $20 dac isn't anything to write home about, but you've just removed the need for anything except standard cheapo cables from your build? Why are people this dumb?
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Someone made a stunning revelation during last night's PC Gaming Show.
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mayodreams posted:Someone made a stunning revelation during last night's PC Gaming Show. Carlos!
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Shaocaholica posted:As opposed to trying to talk people out of believing in a man that lives in the sky? Look what happened to all the anti-vaccine people. Do you really want that mindset bleeding into electronic sales too?
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-advanced-micro-devices-mulling-002146037.htmlquote:AMD, based in Sunnyvale, California, has asked a consulting firm to help it review its options and draw up scenarios on how a break-up or spin-off would work, the people said this week, asking not to be identified because the deliberations are confidential. Spinning off ATI would unlock the time travel skill for AMD and they can go back and fix things, right?
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It would be the dumbest thing; they'd lose all their graphics knowledge to make competitive APUs.
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Riso posted:It would be the dumbest thing; they'd lose all their graphics knowledge to make competitive APUs. They could still maintain a strategic partnership. Yum!! Brands still has nothing but pepsi fountains in its corporate stores for instance. At least this way ATI doesn't die with AMD. Edit: They could also retain a large share of the new company.
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Hopefully it would work out better than when they spun off GF
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Now Ars is weighing in: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/06/amd-weighing-a-business-break-up-or-spin-off-reuters-says/  God, this is sad. I really want an alternative to a monopoly on the personal computers industry.
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The article mentions GlobalFoundries as an earlier spin-off. Fun fact: an even earlier example was in 2000 when AMD spun-off their communications products division into Legerity.
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