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Can someone explain that dude's name to me? I don't read the ONE version and I don't speak Japanese so I don't get the pun and I don't know what mumen rider means and I don't get why he's called licenceless rider when Unlicensed Rider makes way more sense as a name to me.
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It's a Kamen Rider joke, which is why Common Rider is so goddamn clever.
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ChairMaster posted:Can someone explain that dude's name to me? I don't read the ONE version and I don't speak Japanese so I don't get the pun and I don't know what mumen rider means and I don't get why he's called licenceless rider when Unlicensed Rider makes way more sense as a name to me. He's an homage to Kamen Rider, a tokusatsu hero who drives around on a motorcycle. Kamen, Mumen. The added humor is that he really doesn't have a license so he can't ride a motorcycle and suffices with a bike instead.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:03
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Common Rider is loving perfect and it's kind of disappointing the localization went with Mumen over that.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:13
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I don't get why you guys like Common Rider, it has nothing to do with his theme. I mean, Mumen Rider is bad too, but Common Rider isn't any better.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:18
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Puns are good.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:20
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Waffleman_ posted:Puns are good.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:23
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The intent of the joke is that he's Kamen Rider on a bike because he has no motorcycle license. Common Rider doesn't reference this at all.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:33
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Oh poo poo, I started a translation argument, didn't I? Sorry about that.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:36
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AnonSpore posted:The intent of the joke is that he's Kamen Rider on a bike because he has no motorcycle license. Common Rider doesn't reference this at all. Neither does Mumen Rider because it's not an English word and it's an English translation. Like no one in this thread has even mentioned the translation, I assume it means license-less, but that's not going to be clear to most people reading it.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:38
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AnonSpore posted:The intent of the joke is that he's Kamen Rider on a bike because he has no motorcycle license. Common Rider doesn't reference this at all. Do you have a better translation than Common Rider? That references this and tries to keep the pun?
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Jun 16, 2015 04:41
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AnonSpore posted:The intent of the joke is that he's Kamen Rider on a bike because he has no motorcycle license. Common Rider doesn't reference this at all. If you know about Kamen Rider, it's a great pun. If you don't, it still fits since he's pretty much just an average guy dedicated to doing good. "Common" Rider is pretty much a perfect translation.
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Waffleman_ posted:Oh poo poo, I started a translation argument, didn't I? Sorry about that. Nakama Kild posted:Do you have a better translation than Common Rider? That references this and tries to keep the pun? Taciturn Tactician posted:Neither does Mumen Rider because it's not an English word and it's an English translation. Like no one in this thread has even mentioned the translation, I assume it means license-less, but that's not going to be clear to most people reading it. I didn't say Mumen Rider was good, I said that Common Rider was really far from "loving perfect." I'm not giving a suggestion of my own, I'm mentioning why I think Common Rider is lacking.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:51
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AnonSpore posted:Nakama Something can be lacking and still be best fit/perfect.
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Jun 16, 2015 05:07
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I suppose. I'll leave it at that then.
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AnonSpore posted:The intent of the joke is that he's Kamen Rider on a bike because he has no motorcycle license. Common Rider doesn't reference this at all. It sounds like Kamen and it redirects the joke to being about an ordinary schlub. Better imho than a mumen rider joke that keeps the technical joke but doesn't actually replace it with anything funny. Minor point overall though. /edit i see we've resolved this argument. I will continue my campaign for a boku no hero crossover now
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Jun 16, 2015 06:21
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AnonSpore posted:He's an homage to Kamen Rider, a tokusatsu hero who drives around on a motorcycle. Kamen, Mumen. The added humor is that he really doesn't have a license so he can't ride a motorcycle and suffices with a bike instead. Shameless plug but if anyone wants to get into Kamen Rider as a series I recommend starting with Kuuga. It's got one of the most feel-good main characters out of the current generation of riders, and the action and story are very well written.
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Brought To You By posted:Shameless plug but if anyone wants to get into Kamen Rider as a series I recommend starting with Kuuga. It's got one of the most feel-good main characters out of the current generation of riders, and the action and story are very well written. I prefer Double/W, I mean who doesn't like swank, hard-boiled detectives? 
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Brought To You By posted:Shameless plug but if anyone wants to get into Kamen Rider as a series I recommend starting with Kuuga. It's got one of the most feel-good main characters out of the current generation of riders, and the action and story are very well written. AVeryLargeRadish posted:I prefer Double/W, I mean who doesn't like swank, hard-boiled detectives? As another die hard Kamen Rider fan, I'd have to say these are both great choices for those who have a modicum of interest. But that's neither here nor there in a OPM thread. I think Common Rider, even if it's not a 1-to-1 translation from Japanese, is a great compromise.
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Jun 16, 2015 06:58
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Kamen Rider W is probably the closest I've come to actually being invested in a tokusatsu show so there's my recommendation. Kamen Rider Black is pretty good for a laugh though. Plus the bad guys show up in Inferno Cop.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:I prefer Double/W, I mean who doesn't like swank, hard-boiled detectives? Also a good choice but MaskedTai is right, wrong thread. I just can't help but try and get people into Kamen Rider.
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Jun 16, 2015 07:15
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Common Rider is definitely the best. It's a very clever way to reference Kamen Rider in English, and it maintains his theme of just being some dude on a bike. As a bonus, it's cool that the top C-ranked hero would have a name that starts with C.
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Wittgen posted:Common Rider is definitely the best. It's a very clever way to reference Kamen Rider in English, and it maintains his theme of just being some dude on a bike. As a bonus, it's cool that the top C-ranked hero would have a name that starts with C. Like how the top B rank hero is Blizzard of Hell and the top A rank hero is an rear end in a top hat.
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Zerilan posted:Like how the top B rank hero is Blizzard of Hell and the top A rank hero is an rear end in a top hat. And the top of S-Class should be Saitama
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Jun 16, 2015 09:08
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Funny how things work out.
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Jun 16, 2015 10:33
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MaskedTai posted:As another die hard Kamen Rider fan, I'd have to say these are both great choices for those who have a modicum of interest. But that's neither here nor there in a OPM thread. Common Rider is indeed pretty drat good.
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Jun 16, 2015 11:26
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Well localisation usually shouldn't be anything esoteric that a general audience wouldn't understand, having a more vague pun or wordplay would usually be better. In this case, Kamen rider is probably well known enough even in the wide western audience.
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Jun 16, 2015 13:49
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AnonSpore posted:Nakama Nakaman Rider
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AnonSpore posted:He's an homage to Kamen Rider, a tokusatsu hero who drives around on a motorcycle. Kamen, Mumen. The added humor is that he really doesn't have a license so he can't ride a motorcycle and suffices with a bike instead. The final joke is that Mumen is also a pun in Japanese. "Mu" can be used as a prefix for not having, and "men" is the first syllable in the Japanese word for license, "menkyo". So Mumen = Licenseless. Which is why I think Licenseless Rider was a near perfect translation. YMMV.
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Jun 16, 2015 22:02
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That's not a pun that's literally what it means, he's 無免ライダー
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Jun 16, 2015 22:09
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Licenseless Rider is a perfectly straightforward translation. But Common Rider is a really drat clever localization that remains a pun at the expense of not translating the original.
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Jun 16, 2015 22:11
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I feel real dumb for not realizing it was a motorcycle license that he was lacking.
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Jun 16, 2015 22:16
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Before someone explained the joke in thread I assumed Licenseless Rider was an outlaw hero who refused to pay for his bicycle license.
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Gyges posted:I feel real dumb for not realizing it was a motorcycle license that he was lacking. Ohhhhhhh. That makes sense.
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Dr. MonkeyThunder posted:Before someone explained the joke in thread I assumed Licenseless Rider was an outlaw hero who refused to pay for his bicycle license. Same, and it's a better joke, so I'm pretending I didn't even see those posts.
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Jun 17, 2015 07:55
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Even if Common rider is more clever, Licenceless rider is still funnier.
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Jun 17, 2015 09:25
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Yep, also thought the same. I always thought it was weird because I knew Japan didn't have such a bicycle license. I also vote in favor of Common Rider (not that it matters). Licenseless retains the literal meaning, but not the point of his character that the pun does. And I feel like, as you can see from posts above, the meaning kind of adds confusion. Though I do typically like to favor avoiding sacrificing meaning. I think it's more important that he's a more mundane form of Kamen Rider than why he is, and Common sounds impressively close and immediately you make the connection. Though calling it "perfect" might be a bit much.
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Jun 17, 2015 10:58
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Common works better as a Hero Name, too. He's just a Common Rider. Anyone can be a common rider. Anyone can hero! Saitama clearly approves.
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Jun 17, 2015 11:14
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It took me an embarrassingly long time to notice that Common was supposed to be a pun on Kamen.
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i'm fine with common rider or unlicensed/licenceless rider, but mumen rider is just lazy.
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