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GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011

Palpek posted:

The books are also about Geralt maturing. He isn't an already estabilished personality, his experiences change him and his attitude towards things like death, war, his own job, his way of life and the lives of his friends/family shifts dramatically. In the end this change weighs heavily on his most important and final decisions. This is why the Witcher books are really amazing books in general and not just in the fantasy genre.

I dunno man, Geralt starts out vowing to not get involved but immediately gets involved.
Then in the end he vows to never get involved again, immediately gets involved and dies.

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Nien
Apr 29, 2013
All this one side is better or whatever stuff doesn't work. Geralt is unlikeable and he's the hero, everyone else is worse. He's Hamlet for fantasy readers. You understand the choices he makes but Jesus the dude needs to get a grip. Its GoT with added eastern European angst, which means its all just complete loving despair. No Tyrion here to keep us all hoping for a better outcome. Its like watching russian porn: the chicks are hot but all you want to do is cry at how lovely the world is.

My two bits after getting half way through the books.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Nien posted:

My two bits after getting half way through the books.
It actually gets worse and more bleak later.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Szurumbur posted:

Are you talking about the Witcher 3? Because that's not at all true in this game, there are situations in which "you can't do this now", guards might as well be immortal, so you can't just go on a rampage and kill whoever pisses you off, there are scenes (or at least one, in Novigrad at the Market Square) in which Geralt simply stares at the horrors before him doing nothing, friendly NPCs are not to be attacked (no matter how stupid attacking them would be).

I think the only game I've played in which I could conceivably kill most of the cast in normal gameplay mechanics was Fallout: New Vegas.

Hahaha, yeah, I was about to comment on that myself. There's a ton of situations where Geralt is completely helpless or restricted to a specific fight style because of Plot.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Has anyone else had their stamina just stop regenerating completely? Drinking a potion that restores stamina causes it to go back up but once the potion expires it stops again. I have no idea how to fix this. I also can't sprint anymore even when I do have stamina.

edit: Figured it out, it's a bug with Whirlwind (the last tier red fast attack skill). If you do it until you exhaust all your stamina, sometimes your stamina won't regenerate. To fix this you have to do it until your stamina is exhausted again, which requires either using an adrenaline point to get your stamina back or using a stamina restoring potion.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Jun 16, 2015

Thunderbro
Sep 1, 2008
the most striking "this dude is an autist" moment is when geralt slaughters all those people in the bar and then tries to help some girl up like he isn't a terrifying blood-caked psycopath

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

Accordion Man posted:

Witchers not feeling emotions is clearly just a bald-faced myth and Geralt proves it wrong a lot; Lambert alone contradicts it by every word that comes out of his mouth.

It's not all witchers, just Geralt. Geralts Trial of the Grasses had a profound effect on his emotions, Lamberts didn't. It's been mentioned that it can happen in some, not the others. Lamberts case is evident when you return to Kaer Morhen that he has quite normal emotions.

Aurain posted:

He's straight, he just likes to dress up.

I know he is, but I was pointing out that CDPR went as far to include not only a gay man in their game, but also a cross dresser. They were integral parts of the main story arc too.

mcbexx posted:

Dude, just stop playing if you hate the game that much.

Complaining about a bug != Hating a game, and neither does pointing out things that annoy in :shrug

I don't hate the game.

lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Jun 16, 2015

Szurumbur
Feb 17, 2011

Thunderbro posted:

the most striking "this dude is an autist" moment is when geralt slaughters all those people in the bar and then tries to help some girl up like he isn't a terrifying blood-caked psycopath

In one of the books it's one of his earlier memories after becoming a witcher - some thugs were attacking a girl and he stepped in, slaughtered them and then turned to the girl in order to be congratulated and she vomited over herself and fainted or something.

Also, is the concoction that makes the damage dealt restore HP actually working (I think it's from a Wyvern). Either it makes very little difference or I didn't smack the right enemy (I was fighting a contract wraith, the Midnight one, I think), because I didn't see my health bar move up even a bit.

Szurumbur fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Jun 16, 2015

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011

PRESIDENT GOKU posted:

It's not all witchers, just Geralt. Geralts Trial of the Grasses had a profound effect on his emotions, Lamberts didn't. It's been mentioned that it can happen in some, not the others. Lamberts case is evident when you return to Kaer Morhen that he has quite normal emotions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg3NrdLVDVc

Nien
Apr 29, 2013
I'd add that the striking thing is the lack of agency in in the characters. The only one who can do anything to change things, because he's a vat grown autistic unstoppable killing machine, chooses not to choose and allows himself to be manipulated. Because he's a vat grown autist.

If Sapkowski intended this as a kick in the nuts to fantasy tropes it's better than grrm and possibly glen cook (croaker and the lady end up heroes after their journey of self learning blah blah).

I'll stop now.

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

#notallwitchers

Pyromancer
Apr 29, 2011

This man must look upon the fire, smell of it, warm his hands by it, stare into its heart

Szurumbur posted:

Also, is the concoction that makes the damage dealt restore HP actually working (I think it's from a Wyvern). Either it makes very little difference or I didn't smack the right enemy (I was fighting a contract wraith, the Midnight one, I think), because I didn't see my health bar move up even a bit.

Check in inventory screen, your health bar represents like 5000 HP you won't even notice getting a hundred or two

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Can you really call Geralt a "kick in the nuts" to typical fantasy when he's a man all the women find attractive, can gently caress all he wants without issue and is almost always in the company of women with big tits and hyperactive libidos.

I dunno, I find the series' approach to this sort of thing half-baked. Like the writer gets scared halfway through making a point and backs off suddenly.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
I wouldn't say The Witcher is an intelligent commentary on the state of fantasy novels... it's just a series of fantasy novels. Particularly good ones, though.

Szurumbur
Feb 17, 2011

Pyromancer posted:

Check in inventory screen, your health bar represents like 5000 HP you won't even notice getting a hundred or two

I won't bother with it, then, the effect is too little for too much toxicity.

TeaJay
Oct 9, 2012


I was exploring happily in Skellige and suddenly ran across a level 48 Archgriffin. (I'm level 35.) It whooped my rear end pretty handily, when all of a sudden my tactics didn't seem to work poo poo anymore. The reward will probably be another relic sword a few points below or above my mastercraft griffin sword. (although I did find zerrikanian saddle bags just by exploring ?'s in Skellige)

Nien
Apr 29, 2013
I dunno. But how often do you see something along the lines of 'the hero stopped in this town and hosed the daughter of the innkeeper who was completely up for it and a total whore. The hero and the bard high fived each other and had a good laugh the next morning as they rode off to the sound of the innkeeper berating his wretched daughter.'? That is an exaggeration but I reckon captures the general vibe. Martin does to a certain extent but is not amoral about it. And as pointed out its just fantasy but better than most.

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

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Nien posted:

I dunno. But how often do you see something along the lines of 'the hero stopped in this town and hosed the daughter of the innkeeper who was completely up for it and a total whore. The hero and the bard high fived each other and had a good laugh the next morning as they rode off to the sound of the innkeeper berating his wretched daughter.'? That is an exaggeration but I reckon captures the general vibe. Martin does to a certain extent but is not amoral about it. And as pointed out its just fantasy but better than most.

I never got that impression. I always took the fact that Geralt has sex with every woman that's willing (as well as spending a considerable amount of money in brothels and then being constantly broke) to be another sign of his emotional immaturity, especially as a lot of those times it's clear the women are only doing it so they can manipulate him. He acts like a teenager who wants to be a hero, and being obsessed with sex is consistent with most teenagers.

It's also the influence of Dandelion, and his behaviour is usually played up for comedy and he gets into either embarrassing or life-threatening situations all the time because of it.

Other characters call Geralt and Dandelion out on that constantly, so it isn't exactly written as a cool and good thing.

Snuffman
May 21, 2004

Bort Bortles posted:

In other news I have 3 skill points to assign and do not know what to go with - I have the first two fast attack skills and three points in Battle Trance (-20% adrenaline loss on hits taken per point), and enough alchemy skills to have tier 4 alchemy skills available, but they all seem underwhelming now that I am here. I guess since I have 9 bombs a slot I might as well take Cluster Bombs? Also the only "General" skill I have is "Cat School Techniques" - are there any that stand out as really good/useful that I should be using?

edit: ugh my spelling and grammar was off so I fixed it

Speaking for the "general" tree, as you seem quite far in, they seem mostly aimed at helping early game.

The "School" abilities are good based off of what equipment and playstyle you prefer, so they're good all game. I also took the one that applies a bonus to damage and signs based off of adrenaline, because I'm pretty sure without it adrenaline is only used for activating abilities.

500 HP one, I still find is useful but I can see getting rid of it mid to late game.

Regen Vitality in sunlight/Stamina at night is useless once early game is over but might be useful on higher difficulties?

Snuffman
May 21, 2004

Oh! Horse Races question:

I did all the races around the Crow's Perch and got all that nice horse equipment.

I also did that one race against the Novigrad General while hunting for Dandelion at the manor and got that amazing saddle.

Are there any other races? There's a herald in a square in Novigrad that's announcing a race somewhere and he has an exclaimation point on him on the map, but I can't talk to him for some reason.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Azazell0 posted:

I was exploring happily in Skellige and suddenly ran across a level 48 Archgriffin. (I'm level 35.) It whooped my rear end pretty handily, when all of a sudden my tactics didn't seem to work poo poo anymore. The reward will probably be another relic sword a few points below or above my mastercraft griffin sword. (although I did find zerrikanian saddle bags just by exploring ?'s in Skellige)

Yeah if it's more than 10 levels above you, unless it's specifically vulnerable to something it will take bugger all damage and hit you for most of your health. An exception to this was when I was messing around with a signs build at around level 12, I stumbled on a level 25 Bilge Hag and she burnt just fine with alt-Igni. It was literally my only real trick at the time, but it seemed pretty damned effective for the most part. I just prefer spinning around flailing a sword in a semi-controlled manner.

Snuffman posted:

Regen Vitality in sunlight/Stamina at night is useless once early game is over but might be useful on higher difficulties?

I swap it in and out a fair bit, and then kick myself for forgetting to take it out for something else in combat. It's great on B&BB and DM because meditating doesn't replenish health on those difficulties. But I could probably just remember to drink a Swallow before I meditate every time and then come out with full health anyway; the Alchemy talent that gives you +vitality instantly on potion consumption is just too good.

Memento fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Jun 16, 2015

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Pro-tip for hardcore Witchers: drink your milk.

No seriously, it heals more and is 80% cheaper than water.

GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011
Just drink an Ekhidna decoction and jump around a bit.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

GrossMurpel posted:

Just drink an Ekhidna decoction and flame thrower yourself healthy

Ftfy

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Szurumbur posted:

I won't bother with it, then, the effect is too little for too much toxicity.
The Ekimmara decoction seems to be for long-term health loss mitigation than in-combat lifesteal. Like, you have it for 30+ minutes, so you pop it at the start of a dungeon and walk around with it, reducing the need for healing items over the whole dungeon, but not changing the need for in-combat healing if you get hit.

GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011

Jumping around is the best because you can regenerate while still moving somewhere.
Obviously, you can't jump during fights so sign spamming is better then.
E: Or using Rend or Whirlwind if you're a regular ol' swordsman I guess.

GrossMurpel fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jun 16, 2015

Levantine
Feb 14, 2005

GUNDAM!!!
So did Axii break for anyone else after the patch yesterday? I get the floating text feedback that says "stunned" but dudes with white clouds around their heads keep smashing me in the face.

GreenBuckanneer
Sep 15, 2007

Nien posted:

I'd add that the striking thing is the lack of agency in in the characters. The only one who can do anything to change things, because he's a vat grown autistic unstoppable killing machine, chooses not to choose and allows himself to be manipulated. Because he's a vat grown autist.

If Sapkowski intended this as a kick in the nuts to fantasy tropes it's better than grrm and possibly glen cook (croaker and the lady end up heroes after their journey of self learning blah blah).

I'll stop now.

Glen Cook is a pile of poo poo.

Every time I've tried to read his books they're somehow incredibly over descriptive and analytical iirc, and it bored me to tears.

Scandalous
Jul 16, 2009

Levantine posted:

So did Axii break for anyone else after the patch yesterday? I get the floating text feedback that says "stunned" but dudes with white clouds around their heads keep smashing me in the face.
I've had this on and off for a while, particularly when trying to use alt-Axii.

Szurumbur
Feb 17, 2011

Ravenfood posted:

The Ekimmara decoction seems to be for long-term health loss mitigation than in-combat lifesteal. Like, you have it for 30+ minutes, so you pop it at the start of a dungeon and walk around with it, reducing the need for healing items over the whole dungeon, but not changing the need for in-combat healing if you get hit.

On Death March I'm either 2-3 hits from death, so there's no time for slow healing anyway, or in little danger, so there's not need for healing at all. The situations in which the opponent and I are evenly matched are few and far between and so far had occurred mostly in fist fights, so that wouldn't help at all.

Also Geralt really does have a problem with emotions, or lack thereof in certain situations, which makes some quest results a bit funny and at the same time hosed up - for example, the quest in Velen with the errant knight: gently caress disarming him, just kill the fucker, oh well. Or the walk with the merchant at night quest: they're gonna kill him, but the problem is I didn't get my money :qq: a whole 20 crowns, how could I ever recoup the loss.

And I didn't really understand how the "High Stakes" Gwent matches' difficulty is rather inverse? The first match was the toughest, the second a bit easier, the third difficulty is mostly in the fist fight after the end and the fourth was pathetically easy. Also I loathe how there doesn't seem to be actually unique cards - even the Hero cards I already have seem to exist in the CPU's decks, and the Baron gave me a Djikstra card, which I had first seen used be some random merchant. It's a bummer and takes a bit out of the enjoyment of completing the strongest deck in the whole world.

Levantine posted:

So did Axii break for anyone else after the patch yesterday? I get the floating text feedback that says "stunned" but dudes with white clouds around their heads keep smashing me in the face.

Sometimes the sign just doesn't work, even if the graphical effect is there. I've had Quen randomly stop shielding me and Axii not charm opponents even though they were looking as though they're charmed. I don't know if it's related to the patch, or was that something always present in the game - particularly since the latest patch was only on PC, I'm playing on the PS4.

Szurumbur fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jun 16, 2015

GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011

Szurumbur posted:

Sometimes the sign just doesn't work, even if the graphical effect is there. I've had Quen randomly stop shielding me and Axii not charm opponents even though they were looking as though they're charmed. I don't know if it's related to the patch, or was that something always present in the game - particularly since the latest patch was only on PC, I'm playing on the PS4.

I don't think I've lost a single one of the matches because my deck was ridiculously built up at that point. But it might be that the first one is the most intense, aren't the next ones after that against monster and scoia'tael decks? Good luck winning without spies, assholes.
And before you have to do the last game, you get that third Emhyr card which just makes everything laughably easy.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Szurumbur posted:


And I didn't really understand how the "High Stakes" Gwent matches' difficulty is rather inverse? The first match was the toughest, the second a bit easier, the third difficulty is mostly in the fist fight after the end and the fourth was pathetically easy. Also I loathe how there doesn't seem to be actually unique cards - even the Hero cards I already have seem to exist in the CPU's decks, and the Baron gave me a Djikstra card, which I had first seen used be some random merchant. It's a bummer and takes a bit out of the enjoyment of completing the strongest deck in the whole world.

The loving elf with his scoiatel deck kicked my arse. Apart from that a breeze.

Szurumbur
Feb 17, 2011
Maybe I'm just bad at Gwent, my deck is mostly a haphazard collection of spies, heroes and a few Bond collection for quick power, so strategically placed Scorch defeats me easily. Oh well, it's enough to get by, so who cares - I did have to reload dozens of times in order to win the first match and a few fewer times in order to win the second, but the third and fourth went off without a hitch, apart from trying to punch a half-elf, which proved the most difficult part of the card tournament.

Szurumbur fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jun 16, 2015

GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011

Szurumbur posted:

Maybe I'm just bad at Gwent, my deck is mostly a haphazard collection of spies, heroes and a few Bond collection for quick power, so strategically placed Scorch defeats me easily. Oh well, it's enough to get by, so who cares - I did have to reload dozens of times in order to win the first match and a few fewer times in order to win the second, but the third and fourth went off without a hitch, apart from trying to punch a half-elf, which proved the most difficult part of the card tournament.

Play all your spies in the first round, decoy and play any the enemy throws at you. Pass the first round unless you have the card advantage and can easily overpower your opponent.
If you had any spies left on your side at the end of the last round, immediately revive them in round 2.
When setting up tight bonds, remember that your opponent can't scorch you if he has a card with higher strength on the board. That's important in the last round where you're probably gonna play most of your cards anyway, start with the weakest so you don't get your poo poo scorched.
Do Gremist's quest and get his card afterwards if you haven't already, it's pretty much the best card in the game.

GrossMurpel fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 16, 2015

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

so I am new to this series and have been mostly enjoying the game but what is up with the dude's voice? it's the exact same "growled whisper" used by the dudes in Deus Ex and in the Batman movies and its very silly and very distracting.

I really don't understand why people make games/movies with people who talk like this or what it is supposed to signify but in the case of this game it definitely takes away from what would otherwise be cool atmosphere

Szurumbur
Feb 17, 2011

GrossMurpel posted:

Play all your spies in the first round, decoy and play any the enemy throws at you. Pass the first round unless you have the card advantage and can easily overpower your opponent.
If you had any spies left on your side at the end of the last round, immediately revive them in round 2.
When setting up tight bonds, remember that your opponent can't scorch you if he has a card with higher strength on the board. That's important in the last round where you're probably gonna play most of your cards anyway, start with the weakest so you don't get your poo poo scorched.
Do Gremist's quest and get his card afterwards if you haven't already, it's pretty much the best card in the game.

Oh, I've been doing that, but sometimes they just have more spies than me. It's also boring as poo poo, but it's effective, so I'll use what works.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Lol if you don't literally play your entire deck every game.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Szurumbur posted:

Oh, I've been doing that, but sometimes they just have more spies than me. It's also boring as poo poo, but it's effective, so I'll use what works.

I love playing NR or Milf decks and having the first round devolve into spy spams. I just wish Thaler was a neutral card so I could move him between decks. :(

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Arglebargle III posted:

Lol if you don't literally play your entire deck every game.

Monster deck player spotted.

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Riso posted:

Monster deck player spotted.

Wow you really have no idea how to play Gwent huh.

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