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Zoness posted:I mean against junk/jund which plays up to 4 thoughtseize 4 iok 4 duress and some number of liliana leyline can see some utility too. Especially in bogles. Came here to post this, there's lots of stuff that targets player besides burn. Discard being the big thing but lovely mill strategies like mine are horribly gimped by Leyline. Four Score posted:My meta has suddenly become flooded with U/W Tron players using Gifts and Unburial Rites and Elesh Norn, help!?! Any sort of graveyard hate, especially at instant speed like Tormod's Crypt since Rites is sorcery speed.
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't get the disbelief over all 10 fetches being in Standard. Fetches aren't even particularly strong in Standard. They're a bit better than usual right now since they help fix mana and fuel Delve but yeah usually they just kinda fix mana.
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Jun 16, 2015 21:40
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Cernunnos posted:They're a bit better than usual right now since they help fix mana and fuel Delve but yeah usually they just kinda fix mana. Certainly not as glorious as having Shocklands + Checklands at the same time. That's pretty much as good as Standard mana will ever be.
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Four Score posted:My meta has suddenly become flooded with U/W Tron players using Gifts and Unburial Rites and Elesh Norn, help!?! hate-bears.
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Jun 16, 2015 21:49
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Angry Grimace posted:Certainly not as glorious as having Shocklands + Checklands at the same time. That's pretty much as good as Standard mana will ever be. Vivid Lands + Filter Lands + Reflecting Pool + Tribal Lands + Trilands + Checklands 
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Yeah I've switched to running 4 Relics in the side, now I just need to figure out how to gently caress with Grixis players. (I am the guy who only plays fish)
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Four Score posted:My meta has suddenly become flooded with U/W Tron players using Gifts and Unburial Rites and Elesh Norn, help!?!
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Leyline of Sanctity from the sideboard stops gifts.  i always forget that interaction with Intuition as well. It... does not come up often
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Jun 16, 2015 21:57
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Wezlar posted:Vivid Lands + Filter Lands + Reflecting Pool + Tribal Lands + Trilands + Checklands Man I love 5 color control - plumeveil into cryptic command into hallowed burial into broodmate dragon 
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AgentSythe posted:
If it's already in your board for anti-burn and whatnot, why not?
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Four Score posted:My meta has suddenly become flooded with U/W Tron players using Gifts and Unburial Rites and Elesh Norn, help!?! Join them 
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mfcrocker posted:Join them I'm actually really close to finishing the deck, but  at buying a Snapcaster at $85 right now. Other than that I just need three each of Gifts and Colonnade. I thought the deck was really badly positioned in a fast meta though?
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't get the disbelief over all 10 fetches being in Standard. Fetches aren't even particularly strong in Standard. People forget that they're not overpowered unless you can fetch something other than basics with them.
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Dr. Stab posted:The second set of fetches would have to have been in dragons for the full set to be in standard for a full year. Thank you for being pedantic over the 3 months I was off. ShaneB fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jun 16, 2015 |
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Jun 16, 2015 22:38
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Zoness posted:Man I love 5 color control - plumeveil into cryptic command into hallowed burial into broodmate dragon Do you have deck list for that? That sounds insanely fun to
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Thisuck posted:Do you have deck list for that? That sounds insanely fun to The 5 color control list i think of for that standard is the one Gabriel Nassif infamously played: http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/ptkyo09/top8decks
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mfcrocker posted:Join them If you must destroy them with their own tools G/R Tron seems like it should ruin U/W Tron's day
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I'd like to get my G/R Tron on since my main Modern deck is Affinity which is... not great right now. Just need them Karns (and a bunch of other stuff that's much cheaper). Working on a Legacy deck at the same time is draining my resources.
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Zoness posted:The 5 color control list i think of for that standard is the one Gabriel Nassif infamously played: Ah yes, I remember seeing this, people got really mad in the comments section of youtube, in fact people always get angry over control decks. It's like they don't like not being able to play magic when they play magic or something.
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Well, MM2015 leaves MTGO today, which means we're finally done with it. Postmortem: it was actively bad draft format thanks to being mediocre to begin with and also because of Wayfarer's Bauble/Expedition Map/Alloy Myr making it so every draft was 2 or 3 guys looking to go domain and just draft everything decent regardless of archetype so you got screwed in packs 2 and 3 constantly.
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Jun 16, 2015 23:35
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Angry Grimace posted:Well, MM2015 leaves MTGO today, which means we're finally done with it. That was lightning fast.
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Rinkles posted:That was lightning fast. Thank gently caress, because I've been burning tickets left and right on this poo poo. Even phantom drafts are $10 although I'm in a 6-3-2-2 and just had this happen right as I went to post ITT 
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Having just finished modern Burn, is it worth dedicating sideboard slots to things like Dragon's Claw and Kor Firewalker if literally nobody else around here is playing the deck? Local area is Junk, Delver and a shitload of Infect and Tron. Also, is Molten Rain good enough to put in against decks other than Tron/manland users for the sake of taking people off colours, or is it not worth the hassle?
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Angry Grimace posted:Well, MM2015 leaves MTGO today, which means we're finally done with it. Weren't most of the other decks just trying to run off of staple commons and uncommons though? Like yeah, you wouldn't see the rare bomb that could otherwise go in your deck, but the domain drafter isn't randomly going to be picking your waxmane bakus or scatter the seeds, at least not until very late in the pack. Unless they actually did do that, but then they're just being bad drafters and you can't blame the format.
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The Wicked Wall posted:Having just finished modern Burn, is it worth dedicating sideboard slots to things like Dragon's Claw and Kor Firewalker if literally nobody else around here is playing the deck? Local area is Junk, Delver and a shitload of Infect and Tron. no, putting cards in your sideboard that don't do anything seems like a bad idea. i recommend that you play cards that are good against decks you see for example Junk, Delver, and a shitload of Infect and Tron
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The Wicked Wall posted:Having just finished modern Burn, is it worth dedicating sideboard slots to things like Dragon's Claw and Kor Firewalker if literally nobody else around here is playing the deck? Local area is Junk, Delver and a shitload of Infect and Tron. Deflecting Palm is hilarious against infect and is an acceptable board card against burn. But if burn isn't in your meta at all then no those options you listed aren't really worth it.
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The Wicked Wall posted:Having just finished modern Burn, is it worth dedicating sideboard slots to things like Dragon's Claw and Kor Firewalker if literally nobody else around here is playing the deck? Local area is Junk, Delver and a shitload of Infect and Tron. Sideboards are supposed to me meta-specific, so if your meta doesn't have any Burn then don't waste sideboard slots on anti-Burn tech. If you're that worried you can always put in cards that are good against Burn but also other decks (for example Leyline of Sanctity as discussed earlier, blocks burn but also stops you from being hit by discard spells or activated abilities like LOTV's -2. Yes I have seen decks run Leyline that couldn't actually cast it)
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What do I put in my board against Merfolk and Jund in Modern?
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Henron posted:What do I put in my board against Merfolk? Merfolk Assassin
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Thanks all - the main confusion was whether there was enough overlap in effectiveness of those choices to make running them still worth it.quote:What do I put in my board against Merfolk and Jund in Modern? Choke and Boil have been pretty hilarious for me VS Merfolk.
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JerryLee posted:Weren't most of the other decks just trying to run off of staple commons and uncommons though? Like yeah, you wouldn't see the rare bomb that could otherwise go in your deck, but the domain drafter isn't randomly going to be picking your waxmane bakus or scatter the seeds, at least not until very late in the pack. ....no? It meant that half the table was always in your colors and would invariably take all of the Nameless Inversions, Hikari, Arrest, etc. Domain decks don't have to settle for anything. They take every Arrest, Pillory, Lightning Bolt, Inversion, Mirror Entity, etc. Anything that is generically good was good for their deck. Henron posted:What do I put in my board against Merfolk and Jund in Modern? ...with what deck? Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:....no? It meant that half the table was always in your colors and would invariably take all of the Nameless Inversions, Hikari, Arrest, etc. Domain decks don't have to settle for anything. They take every Arrest, Pillory, Lightning Bolt, Inversion, Mirror Entity, etc. Anything that is generically good was good for their deck. That's a good description of a good archetype in a good format.
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Zoness posted:That's a good description of a good archetype in a good format. Its a single archetype (that doesn't always turn out to be good) that often ruins the draft experience for everyone else. I think it was a huge mistake to put Wayfarer's Bauble and bouncelands in the set. Make the five-color deck be an offshoot of green ramp, and not just "oh I'll snag all the goodstuff and play everything that comes to me." Even if that strategy isn't great, it's available, and screws up the draft environment. I much preferred the way that MM1 handled this - five-color domain was clearly a base green deck enabled by Kodama's Reach and Search for Tomorrow. You could splash off the landcyclers, but you couldn't go full-five color if you weren't heavy green). Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Snacksmaniac posted:Cycle of DTF lands. I too want lands that are down to gently caress Henron posted:What do I put in my board against Merfolk and Jund in Modern? Boil, Choke, Blood Moon, Suppression Field?
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Angry Grimace posted:Its a single archetype (that doesn't always turn out to be good) that often ruins the draft experience for everyone else. Even if this is true this isn't a concept that single handedly makes a format good or bad. Your ability to get the deck you want or the presence of a 5-color deck has no bearing on format quality. On the other hand, MM15 does have packs that go fairly deep, reasonable if not good removal, a variety of viable draft strategies, and reasonable-to-answer bombs, which are the makings of a good format. But I mean, that's all opinion, I'm sure there's people that like AVR and hate ROE out there.
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If you mean Merfolk and Jund I don't think there's a single sideboard card that is good against both decks. Uh I guess maybe Abrupt Decay.
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Angry Grimace posted:Its a single archetype (that doesn't always turn out to be good) that often ruins the draft experience for everyone else. Honestly domain was much harder to pull off in this format than the previous MM (due to the lack of Kodama's Reach). Have you considered that you might be results oriented from a few drafts gone bad?
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A big flaming stink posted:Honestly domain was much harder to pull off in this format than the previous MM (due to the lack of Kodama's Reach). Have you considered that you might be results oriented from a few drafts gone bad? Have I considered that perhaps I am salty? Yes, that was a consideration.
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Look everyone knows the real payoff to domain in MM1 was your opponent receiving like, way fewer faerie tokens on an Oona activation.
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