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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-actors-media-mattersquote:According to sources: some actors were hired to attend and participate in the event; and, a company called Extra Mile NYC connected Trump’s campaign/event organizers with the paid actors. Trump is the best candidate ever.
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icantfindaname posted:if trump turns out to be a weeaboo i might just have to vote for him, sorry guys Did you vote for Herman Cain?
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Sir Tonk posted:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-actors-media-matters I wonder if he could use his billions to pack the debate hall.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I found Newt!
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The X-man cometh posted:Did you vote for Herman Cain? I didn't vote in the Republican primary
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Sir Tonk posted:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-actors-media-matters At this point Forums Poster Josh Lyman could probably pretend to be a political whatsit with a resume consisting of episodes of the TV show and become Trump's campaign manager.
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Great_Gerbil posted:I'm gonna bring this back up because, in my mind, it's far too big to let candidates get away with. So, there's definitely a case to be made that Christian ideals of charity and stewardship align pretty well with the left. This is generally counterweighted by the fact that elements of the left are openly hostile towards religion in general.
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Carly Fiorina's Super PAC was named "Carly for America", which violates FEC rules. It has since changed its name to "CARLY for America", which is fine because it means "Conservative, Authentic, Responsive Leadership for You and for America", so it doesn't refer to any particular candidate. 
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TheDisreputableDog posted:So, there's definitely a case to be made that Christian ideals of charity and stewardship align pretty well with the left. Yep, count me in as an active, believing Christian who considers the Republican party wholly incompatible with Christian teachings and values. Jesus was very, VERY clear about charity, stewardship, tolerating and welcoming those from cultures considered unclean by yours, reaching out to the disadvantaged and those ostracized by society, and - this is an important one - that you absolutely should not pray visibly in public or make a big deal about your religion and faith as public statements.
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lol TPM Though to be fair, the Duggars most likely killed less Americans via drone/kill list than Obama.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:lol TPM This is why your lazy gimmick is lazy, man. GOP voters don't have a problem with people getting blown up in the mideast by drones.
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Obdicut posted:This is why your lazy gimmick is lazy, man. GOP voters don't have a problem with people getting blown up in the mideast by drones. Most people there, no. But Americans...
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Most people there, no. Only whites are Americans.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:So, there's definitely a case to be made that Christian ideals of charity and stewardship align pretty well with the left. Libertarians on the right are openly hostile towards religion as well...
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Cythereal posted:Yep, count me in as an active, believing Christian who considers the Republican party wholly incompatible with Christian teachings and values. Jesus was very, VERY clear about charity, stewardship, tolerating and welcoming those from cultures considered unclean by yours, reaching out to the disadvantaged and those ostracized by society, and - this is an important one - that you absolutely should not pray visibly in public or make a big deal about your religion and faith as public statements. I guess I'm with you until the last line. Jesus was killed because he literally wouldn't shut up about his faith and how it should be practiced (matthew 6:6 not withstanding)
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Joementum posted:Carly Fiorina's Super PAC was named "Carly for America", which violates FEC rules. I really want to believe that you are just loving with us. But you aren't, are you? What is the point of even having laws at this point when candidates can pull this bullshit.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I guess I'm with you until the last line. Jesus was killed because he literally wouldn't shut up about his faith and how it should be practiced (matthew 6:6 not withstanding) You can't just "notwithstanding" Matthew 6:6. The whole point of it, and 6:5 before, is that people who pray openly and make a big show of their faith are not doing it out of piety, but rather to be seen and congratulated, and those people have already received their reward (e.g. the opinion of other people). Jesus insists that faith be a private, personal thing, not one that you use so that other people look at you and are impressed by how much praying you do. People who display their faith so that other people can applaud them for it are literally called hypocrites. There is a distinction made between living your faith - believing, helping people, standing for what is right even when it's hard - and showboating. Jesus talked about his faith, not to earn him points in a political campaign, not to impress his neighbors with how pious he was, but to spread the Good Word. I'm not sure how this distinction is eluding you.
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A3th3r posted:My aunt Carol would get a kick out of this one (aunt-in-law, but who's counting!) "Others still in the mix: ...Harold Stassen..."
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The X-man cometh posted:Did you vote for Herman Cain? Herman Cain just wants to be the very best. Like no one ever was. TheDisreputableDog posted:So, there's definitely a case to be made that Christian ideals of charity and stewardship align pretty well with the left.  Tell us all about how not hostile the right wing is towards non-Christian religions.
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Caros posted:I really want to believe that you are just loving with us. But you aren't, are you? It could be named "Zebras for Family Values"; the name doesn't matter. The real travesty is that these Super PACs are not supposed to be for any particular candidate, but are used exclusively for a particular candidate. If they ever start seriously enforcing these laws, Super PACs should have to spend their money amongst at least two people, equally.
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spacing in vienna posted:You can't just "notwithstanding" Matthew 6:6. The whole point of it, and 6:5 before, is that people who pray openly and make a big show of their faith are not doing it out of piety, but rather to be seen and congratulated, and those people have already received their reward (e.g. the opinion of other people). Jesus insists that faith be a private, personal thing, not one that you use so that other people look at you and are impressed by how much praying you do. You're flipping back and forth between a literal and interpretive reading of that passage. "Public displays of faith are wrong" and "public displays of faith for self aggrandizement are wrong" are different things.
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Evil Fluffy posted:
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TheDisreputableDog posted:You're flipping back and forth between a literal and interpretive reading of that passage. "Public displays of faith are wrong" and "public displays of faith for self aggrandizement are wrong" are different things. I definitely don't want to start up a religion derail, here, but the way the Religious Right operates would violate either of those precepts that you think I'm conflating.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I guess I'm with you until the last line. Jesus was killed because he literally wouldn't shut up about his faith and how it should be practiced (matthew 6:6 not withstanding) It should also be noted that the things Jesus wouldn't shut up about painted the Pharisees in a really bad light which lead to them wanting to kill Jesus.
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It may be time to acknowledge that the modern primary system is a complete poo poo-show that's producing demonstrably worse results, and we need to go back to the nominating process being an internal party affair. At the very least, we wouldn't have to put up with campaigning for drat near 2 and a half years. Motherfucking Donald Trump??? I know it's entertaining and he stands almost no chance of winning, but goddamn son, 'for the lulz' is no way to run a democracy. The last thing we should be doing is giving him a national platform to spew his idiocy.
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The GOP brought this on themselves after Obama was elected and they went Full Retard and embraced the TEA Party and Duck Dynasty idiots. I thought we would never beat 2012 but here we are. Donald loving Trump.
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/mike-huckabees-weekly-column-lifted-material-from-the-ap-and#.dpz3Aov4b Mike Huckabee found to have been constantly plagiarizing during his time as Governor, his campaign staff responds by saying that he didn't actually write the columns. Which were written in first person. And signed by him. And opened with the line "Hello, this is Gov. Mike Huckabee"  Although I mean really is anyone taking Huckabee seriously as a candidate besides some fundies even crazier than Santorum?
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Family Values posted:'for the lulz' is no way to run a democracy. Bush spent the last weeks of the campaign arguing that Clinton can't be trusted to be President because he had gone on a student trip to Moscow in the late 1960s and very well could be a KGB sleeper agent. He made this accusation the centerpiece of his campaign speeches. Reminder: 1992 was three years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and a year after the dissolution of the USSR. This democracy has been run 'for the lulz' for a very long time.
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Joementum posted:Carly Fiorina's Super PAC was named "Carly for America", which violates FEC rules. Candidates should just start accepting unlimited direct donations. Worst case they'll get a strongly worded letter that it might possibly be against FEC rules.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I guess I'm with you until the last line. Jesus was killed because he literally wouldn't shut up about his faith and how it should be practiced (matthew 6:6 not withstanding) It's not that Jesus "wouldn't shut up" about his faith. Jesus was leading a movement and (if we go by recorded accounts) doing it in a fairly humble manner. Jesus was literally saying, don't pray and preach for self aggrandizement. It's what the passage says. What Jesus was saying at the time was in the face of the establishment Jewish leaders working with the Romans. Anything subversive was punished. The Jewish leaders no doubt took affront to Jesus's message but the Romans were most likely wholly responsible for his death. All from a historical perspective. Jesus was killed when he sacked the Temple. Which was a repudiation of impurities in the Jewish religion. Not a statement of religious piety.
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Celador posted:The GOP brought this on themselves after Obama was elected and they went Full Retard and embraced the TEA Party and Duck Dynasty idiots. I thought we would never beat 2012 but here we are. Donald loving Trump. Bloom County predicted all this back in the '80s.
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Joementum posted:Carly Fiorina's Super PAC was named "Carly for America", which violates FEC rules. How do I get a job with the FEC? That sounds like the most phone-it-in sinecure ever.
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IJReview, the conservative site that is to Vines what BuzzFeed is to lists of gifs, will co-host a GOP debate with ABC. 
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FMguru posted:In 1992 the Clinton campaign hired a guy to wear a chicken suit and appear at Bush rallies to ridicule Bush about being too "chicken" to debate Clinton. Once they figured out who he was, he was banned from future rallies, but snuck into at least one additional rally by claiming to be there as a representative/mascot of the local poultry industry to show their support for Bush. 1992 was also the year Ross Perot ran and won nearly 20 percent of the vote. It was... an interesting election year.
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Bobby Jindal is running for president in 2016 after making the governorship of Louisiana into a complete CATASTROPHE, guys... I do not know what to think about Bob these days http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/07/us/governors-tactics-at-center-of-louisiana-budget-vortex.html?_r=0
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Great_Gerbil posted:I'm gonna bring this back up because, in my mind, it's far too big to let candidates get away with. I'm thinking we need to send Jeb on a Walk to Canossa.
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Joementum posted:IJReview, the conservative site that is to Vines what BuzzFeed is to lists of gifs, will co-host a GOP debate with ABC. The press is dead. Full out dead.
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