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Zaphod42 posted:You're in the same camp with this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcFxz5T0wWQ Hey let's not say anything we can't take back. I don't really remember that well but was anyone really happy with Hunters or Pinball? At least you were still Samus in those ones. I know it's not fair to judge anything yet, but that game looks like something you'd walk past in a $4.99 bargain bin.
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Zaphod42 posted:Its pretty much Metroid Prime Hunters: Firefight mode literally. Its a handheld shooter for kids, because that's fun, but Nintendo doesn't own the Halo IP so its Metroid Prime. It uses metroid prime guns and first person style and that's pretty cool. It looks like a fun little handheld game, just like Metroid Prime Hunters was. Its not a replacement for Metroid Prime on console, no, neither was Hunters. Hahaha gently caress off dude. People loved the hell out of the Metroid Prime series and while a lot of people would love to see another Super Metroid, the bigger problem is that they want a return to form after the mess that was Other M. Fans are worried that the series is going in a bad direction, and a game where you don't play as Samus is not going to reassure anyone. Dr_Amazing posted:Hey let's not say anything we can't take back. I don't really remember that well but was anyone really happy with Hunters or Pinball? At least you were still Samus in those ones. I know it's not fair to judge anything yet, but that game looks like something you'd walk past in a $4.99 bargain bin. People were middlingly happy with Hunters, and Pinball was, well, a pinball game so no one cared. That was when Nintendo was putting out fun Metroid games though. Arsonist Daria has a new favorite as of 22:13 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Zaphod42 posted:That's it. All the complaints about Federation Force are just EVERYONE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FRANCHISE I LIKE AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT IS WRONG GOTTA STAY FAI has a new favorite as of 22:15 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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People would not be upset about this if they were also making new metroid games that stuck to form. Frankly I think departing from the 'vania format was a mistake unto itself, but Fusion proved that they can even gently caress that up so who knows? All I know is, there aren't enough vanias.
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There have been and they are extremely successful, albeit in 3d. So it's strange to not make them. Talking about Dark Souls, etc. darkhand has a new favorite as of 22:23 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Cleretic posted:Actually, people are most mad that they did get creative, and are making a Metroid game that doesn't seem to look or play like any of their favorite Metroid games. They played Blast Ball without revealing that it's a Metroid game for one stage of the Nintendo World Championship. It really didn't look fun at all. I enjoyed the Nintendo conference because it was entertaining, they didn't announce anything I particularly care about but they always do something silly and amusing and Muppets were a fun surprise.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Hahaha gently caress off dude. People loved the hell out of the Metroid Prime series and while a lot of people would love to see another Super Metroid, the bigger problem is that they want a return to form after the mess that was Other M. Fans are worried that the series is going in a bad direction, and a game where you don't play as Samus is not going to reassure anyone. I know people liked Metroid Prime, I did too. But lets boil this down for a second. You're mad because Nintendo is making a handheld game that happens to have the Metroid Prime name. I mean obviously in an ideal world you'd have them greenlight a new Metroid Prime right away. But can we at least admit that Federation Force has nothing to do with Metroid Prime getting made or not getting made? Its not like you'd want whoever is doing Federation Force to do the next Metroid Prime, right? I mean you just said that you're upset because they DID give you another Metroid Prime and it was lovely. Other M. (I know, it was) So forcing another entry would just give you another lovely Other M. You need somebody who really cares to craft another good Metroid Prime, not crank it out. That takes time. For all you know, they're doing that literally right now. Nintendo didn't talk about any games that were more than a year away. How silly would that be if they actually are making a Metroid Prime for WiiU and you're sitting here yelling at Federation Force? And even if they aren't making it right now, again, if they just shat out another Other M you'd be just as upset. So maybe realize that you're kinda demanding a lot here? How dare Nintendo not make a sequel to the game series that I like sooner! Like, play more Metroid Prime if you're such a fan, otherwise chill out for a year or two, sorry dude. I get that you want more Metroidvanias. I get that you want more Metroid Prime. I just don't see what Federation Force has to do with the price of tea in china. And it looks like a nifty little game for what it is, pretty much the same thing I got from Prime Hunters, a DS/3DS portable game where you can shoot your friends, because there's not exactly a ton of FPS for 3DS. Ignite Memories posted:All I know is, there aren't enough vanias. Transexual Transylvania pienipple posted:They played Blast Ball without revealing that it's a Metroid game for one stage of the Nintendo World Championship. It really didn't look fun at all. Blast Ball is just a bonus little minigame they're including in Federation Force because its a cute little kids game to have fun with. Its not supposed to have anything to do with Metroid. Federation Force has some to do with metroid; you're blasting space pirates with ice beams and poo poo. Are you guys really trying to argue that spinoffs shouldn't be allowed or something? I just don't get it. The muppets were great, yeah.
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pienipple posted:They played Blast Ball without revealing that it's a Metroid game for one stage of the Nintendo World Championship. It really didn't look fun at all. Anyone who didn't like the puppets are some weird jerk. Seeing Square Enix follow that with a dull, rote press conference was the pits. Except the Nier 2 announcement, of course. Zaphod42 posted:But lets boil this down for a second. You're mad because Nintendo is making a handheld game that happens to have the Metroid Prime name. Do you even realize I was the guy you agreed with when you started on this weirdly aggressive attack on Metroid fans? I don't think the game should be loving cancelled or anything, I just think it was a Dumb Move in Marketing. Arsonist Daria has a new favorite as of 22:29 on Jun 19, 2015 |
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Len posted:Does Amazon using UPS Surepost count? Because holy poo poo I hate when things go Surepost. I have a PO Box so in order to get things shipped with prime I have to use my houses physical address which isn't a problem UPS delivers to me. But when it goes Surepost and switches to USPS it ends up at the PO Box. Since I'm at work the entire time people are there during the week I can't get it until Saturday which defeats the point of having Amazon Prime. This was the most aggravating poo poo at my old apartment building. Any Sunday delivery came via USPS. USPS has the access code to get in the front door of the building, but every single time I had something coming on Sunday I'd get a note on the front door saying "no access". What the hell.
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Zaphod42 posted:Are you guys really trying to argue that spinoffs shouldn't be allowed or something? I just don't get it. They know what people want, and they're giving them something different than what they want. It's really quite simple.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I don't think the game should be loving cancelled or anything, I just think it was a Dumb Move in Marketing. This
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Bobby Digital posted:This was the most aggravating poo poo at my old apartment building. Any Sunday delivery came via USPS. Count me in the 'I hate loving SurePost camp." If you go to the amazon.com forums, you'll see several megathreads of customers screaming at Amazon to stop using SurePost and other megathreads of customers begging Amazon to allow them the option to opt out of having certain companies deliver their orders. Also, I found this somewhat related article by Wired: Delivery Drivers Can Now Leave Packages in Your Parked Audi quote:Audi, Amazon and shipper DHL have partnered up to allow delivery drivers to put parcels right in your car—as long as it’s an Audi, and parked at your house. 
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Jun 19, 2015 23:01
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Don't argue with Zaphod42, he's a noted shitlord idiot poster in the games forum and nobody likes him. Is there some kind of universal key with which they open your car? Sounds like an easy way to get lawsuits like crazy because a delivery person took something from a customer's car. edit: oh you enter a code or something that temporarily unlocks it. still if you aren't completely aware they are there they can sneak something from your trunk. sounds like a bad idea.
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Bobby Digital posted:This was the most aggravating poo poo at my old apartment building. Any Sunday delivery came via USPS. To throw a bone to the devil's advocate, but just because one driver has the code, not all of them do. There were many times I'd try to deliver a package, only to meet with a gate, and when I called the center who was sending the order, they'd snap that "the other driver knows the code." Well that's poo poo and pancakes because I DON'T. So the package would be a day late, the center would get screamed at by the customer, and I'd be sitting there wishing people shipped poo poo to their work instead. The Audi thing is...weird. It seems like an Onion thing. Though it does remind me of how I never let anyone do detail car poo poo when I take my car to the wash: there are dozens of signs saying that anything you leave in your car, well, take your valuables. Why not just say the people will steal your poo poo?
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Cowslips Warren posted:The Audi thing is...weird. It seems like an Onion thing. Though it does remind me of how I never let anyone do detail car poo poo when I take my car to the wash: there are dozens of signs saying that anything you leave in your car, well, take your valuables. Why not just say the people will steal your poo poo? The car wash thing I get, they just want to deny liability in case some jackass does steal your poo poo. They obviously don't want to come out and say someone can get away with it if you leave something good in your car, but they need to cover themselves in case it happens. The Audi thing is much more hosed up. It implies there's some universal method to get into any Audi, or at the very least there is some way to look up some code to get into any given vehicle. If Amazon can access it and give it to yet another company, it's only a matter of time before somebody uses it for crime.
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Zaphod42 posted:Are you guys really trying to argue that spinoffs shouldn't be allowed or something? I just don't get it. Yo all I said was that the gameplay they've shown (the Blast Ball part) did not look like it was fun.
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pienipple posted:Yo all I said was that the gameplay they've shown (the Blast Ball part) did not look like it was fun. They showed gameplay of the main game too?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGu3Xe1uUUg I guess you saw some Treehouse clip where they were just playing Blast Ball? The main Nintendo conference definitely focused on the other half of the game. 4-player co-op missions. Its Metroid Prime Firefight + Griffball. Lumberjack Bonanza posted:I don't think the game should be loving cancelled or anything, I just think it was a Dumb Move in Marketing. What was? Showing it as part of their conference? Or its a dumb move to make it but since they've already started they shouldn't cancel it? I'm trying to make sure I understand what you're saying. Like if they'd made it but not put it in the video then would it be fine? That seems weird to make a game and not put that in your conference about games. Would you prefer if there was a warning first, "Hey, there's no proper metroid prime ready yet, this next game is just a side thing" ? Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 00:59 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Zaphod42 posted:They showed gameplay of the main game too? Oh, that's the game everyone's been talking about? I can see why people would be angry, if only because unlike Four Swords, you're not even playing as Samus, but some random nobodies. It kind of looks like a game that just has the Metroid Prime label attached to it for some reason. e: To be clear, it could be fun, but it looks more like "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" than Metroid, especially Prime. Postal Parcel has a new favorite as of 01:05 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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I got home from work and was like "oh boy 40 new posts in the Marketing thread" and then it was five posts of content and 35 increasingly-long video game pissing contests. Shut the gently caress up.
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Sorry for discussing this large recent marketing event which generated a lot of controversy. What did you want to talk about?
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walrusman posted:I got home from work and was like "oh boy 40 new posts in the Marketing thread" and then it was five posts of content and 35 increasingly-long video game pissing contests. Shut the gently caress up. GUYS DID I TELL YOU ABOUT HOW UPSET I AM ABOUT A LACK OF CONTENT SO I AM GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A LACK OF CONTENT INSTEAD OF POSTING CONTENT 
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:The Audi thing is much more hosed up. It implies there's some universal method to get into any Audi
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Cleretic posted:I still don't get why the internet's up in arms about Nintendo's conference. It was directly followed up by the loving Square-Enix conference, which was worse in EVERY way. Their headlining games were all stuff they'd already announced and had nothing new to show, and their new games had nothing more than concept art to put forward. And it was all presented in boring as poo poo ways. Yeah, square lucked out in following Nintendo. Edit: OMG if this Metroid derail continues, I'm gonna start giving you regular updates about my wife's opinions on video game news. Nintendo underwhelmed, fanboys overreacted. Simple as that. Drunk Nerds has a new favorite as of 03:59 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Even with Nick Cage's endless debt and insatiable need to create more, he's never elected to be in such an embarrassing film. I will never forgive Nick for ghost rider.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:The car wash thing I get, they just want to deny liability in case some jackass does steal your poo poo. They obviously don't want to come out and say someone can get away with it if you leave something good in your car, but they need to cover themselves in case it happens. See the 'universal access to audis' thing wasn't where I went with that story (I never leave anything anyone would want to steal in my car anyway). Where I went was 'scope out someone who gets a lot of delivery attempts whilst they're not at home, park your audi in their drive, profit'...
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I remember the GBS thread when the new hip Pizza Hut launched. It was mind-bogglingly stupid and about as blatantly pandering as you could get. They even had youtube "superstars" design some signature pizzas to draw in the internet crowd.
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thespaceinvader posted:See the 'universal access to audis' thing wasn't where I went with that story (I never leave anything anyone would want to steal in my car anyway). Where I went was 'scope out someone who gets a lot of delivery attempts whilst they're not at home, park your audi in their drive, profit'... Audi generates a one-time digital access code for the trunk only of the car that is linked to Amazon's account. The DHL guy then tracks the car to where it's parked (I don't think it has to be at home) and delivers the package. It would be extremely stupid to steal anything because DHL has an exact record of who accessed which cars and when. http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/04/amazon-audi-and-dhl-want-to-turn-a-car-trunk-into-a-delivery-locker/ My options are basically send it home and guarantee to miss the delivery, or to the office and piss off the receptionists, so if they just dropped it off in my car that's parked outside, that would be pretty cool.
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mobby_6kl posted:Audi generates a one-time digital access code for the trunk only of the car that is linked to Amazon's account. The DHL guy then tracks the car to where it's parked (I don't think it has to be at home) and delivers the package. It would be extremely stupid to steal anything because DHL has an exact record of who accessed which cars and when. It's a good thing package carriers are never extremely stupid, then!
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Wanamingo posted:It's a good thing package carriers are never extremely stupid, then! To say nothing of them being digital access codes shared over the loving Internet, surely nothing can go wrong there.
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Someone write me a "Millennials to butts" extension Pizza loving Hut has never been a place hip people go and it never will be. Their core demographic doesn't want Peruvian cherry peppers and artisanal crusts, they want greasy fuckin' pizza and breadsticks and to not have to do any dishes. Ever seen an investment banker at a Pizza Hut? No, but I'll tell you what you have seen at Pizza loving Hut: toddlers running around screaming and hitting things with sauce-covered breadsticks, children in high chairs with roni slices just out of their reach while Mom stuffs her face and Dad finishes his second pitcher of cheap beer, belching loudly and bitching about the union rep at the plant the whole time, filthy floors, booths, and tables, out-of-date lighting and decor, and bathrooms that wouldn't look out-of-place at a disused NYC subway terminal. Pizza loving Hut is where you go to take little Billy out to eat as a reward for doing really well in his position as safety for the jr. high football team that night. No hipster Millennial is thinking "I could really go for a unique artisanal slice right now, and only one place in town is classy enough to offer Peruvian cherry peppers. Let's call Pizza loving Hut," it's a place you stop to stuff your faces after little Sandy's tumbling recital ran way too late and you don't want to be up all night doing dishes. It's a place you stumble into for drunk food and pitchers of beer on your way back from seeing American Sniper for the fifth time at the local theater, where you and your buddies smuggled in flasks of cheap vodka to add to your Mtn Dews. Their breadsticks are ok though
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Someone write me a "Millennials to butts" extension poo poo most pizza huts around me don't even have an inside. It's a place where you pick up your pizza and leave.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Someone write me a "Millennials to butts" extension The REAL mistake is assuming that "millennials" (i.e. "not people old enough / financially secure enough to be marketing directors") have enough money to respond to stupid "premium" marketing in the first place. No "millennial" is gonna pay $20 for a chain pizza, because none of the "millennials" your company pays to assemble said pizzas make close to $20/hour.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Someone write me a "Millennials to butts" extension Will this do? OutsideAngel posted:The REAL mistake is assuming that "millennials" (i.e. "not people old enough / financially secure enough to be marketing directors") have enough money to respond to stupid "premium" marketing in the first place. Millennials actually loving love premium stuff, it's one of the few aspects of the generation that isn't a bunch of horseshit that changes from study to study. The problem is:
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The idea of millennial and the difficulty in advertising has come up a few times, but what it always boils down to is the people making the big business decisions are so far removed from the culture and understanding that even the "young hip people" that work for them just push the broadest most media heavy thing possible and no one in power really knows what will or will not work. Pizza Hut really dropped the ball, hard, and there are plenty of examples in the last 5 years of very similar strategies being tried and failing, but no one is seriously trying to understand what is going on and why the previous 50-75 years of marketing research is no longer valid. I can just imagine the youngish ad guys pitching their "gourmet ingredients! sauce drizzles! hit that crust edge with a BLAST OF FLAVOR! YOUTUBE CELEBS MAKING THEIR SIGNATURE PIZZAS!" and everyone over the age of 40 just nods and agrees because it sounds exactly like what everyone thinks millennials want. Even banks have this problem. There's this huge push to making everything online, swipe your card or even your phone to pay (the idea of convenience is a huge draw, but security is a massive problem), but some young people and even older tech people hate it. My dad gets seriously pissed of when he gets repeatedly asked about switching to online banking he'll snap and start talking louder and louder berating the clerk and rattling off various types of security encryption that the bank doesn't use and how insisting that he should manage his accounts solely online is borderline negligent given how many massive data breaches occur each year. Usually a manager will rush over and take over to complete the transaction and not try to push any of their new products/services. Last time I went into a bank and had to sit down with a clerk to get a new debit card he tried to sell me on BoA's #1 rated IT security and I just mentioned how my Diablo 3 account was more secure then my online bank accounts and why can't I sign up for a authenticator for my online banking services.
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Big Mad Drongo posted:[*]Millennials hate being patronized. They love interacting with brands on social media, they love buying into your loyalty program, they hate it when you try to market to them directly. They know executives didn't spontaneously decide they love YouTube stars, or that McDonald's now cares about health. It's like that joke every 90s sitcom had, where the dad puts on a backwards baseball cap and tries to "rap" with his kid. On that note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ir91dnwN1g Advert for the Toyota Aygo in the UK, starring 'Rahat' who is apparently an 'internet prankster'. Maybe I'm just not down with the kids but do people really know enough about the YouTube channels they're subscribed to to actually be able to recognise someone like Rahat by name? Does anyone actually care that Rahat is an 'internet prankster', which is a pretty thinly veiled way of saying 'YouTube superstar'? The concept of the advert is actually a reasonably good one in that it's got a guy doing something fun which will make you associate Aygo = Fun, without actually telling you a single thing about the car. So if that's what they're aiming for that's fine, but then they stick the 'internet prankster' bit on the front as if to say "Hey guys we're cool, we know what YouTube is!". I mean Toyotas here have always been marketed as sensible family cars for sensible people. They're Hondas for people with mortgages. They do small cars but these are considered a familys second car, or possibly a third which is given to the oldest child because the fuel economy is cheap and the insurance group is low. But this Aygo thing is marketed towards... young professionals? Hipsters? Me?! This is on their website:  None of these people would be smiling. They'd be thinking I'm in a Toyota. Then of course the end of the ad is "Go Fun Yourself" which is pretty obviously a play on the phrase "Go gently caress yourself". We swear a lot here and for outsiders it's very difficult to tell if we're swearing in a positive or negative way (i.e. bollocks being bad, dogs bollocks being good). Well "go gently caress yourself" is always, no matter the context, on the negative end of the spectrum. Although maybe getting me worked up about this was all part of their plan.... 
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I'm laughing so hard at Pizza Hut failure they had exactly ONE thing they needed to do: deliver medium one or two topping pizzas cheaper than Domino's. You can get them for $12 from Domino's, just price match that poo poo and bombard you with "Do you want a 2L of [novelty soda to push onto customers] for only $2.00 more?" And they would rack in the millenial crowd overnight without pandering to them. Domino's is now trying a rebranding as well, but they're focusing on making carryout more appealing with cheap large pizzas, so dropping "Pizza" from "Domino's Pizza" seems less stupid. A good idea balanced out a terrible one.
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