|
Parallel Paraplegic posted:I know people who think they're smart for writing some toys in brainfuck and who brag about it whenever weird languages come up, so yes. Do you think if Windows 95 were rewritten in brainfuck it would run any worse than the actual WIndows 95?
|
#
?
Jun 16, 2015 02:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 03:58 |
|
|
Michael J Fox with an abacus would run better than windows 95
|
|
#
?
Jun 16, 2015 07:28
|
|
|
Jack Gladney posted:There was a political scientist a few years ago who did personality inventory tests with libertarians and had them do ethics tests, and the result was that they had measurable deficits in theory of mind and capacity for empathy, and that they accurately predicted that they cared less about fairness and harm to others than the people they see every day.
|
|
#
?
Jun 16, 2015 21:04
|
|
|
Polybius91 posted:Anyone got a link to this? I'd love to read it if possible. Phone posting for now, but the researcher is Peter Ditto: https://socialecology.uci.edu/faculty/phditto His articles should be listed on his CV.
|
|
#
?
Jun 16, 2015 21:36
|
|
|
https://webfiles.uci.edu/phditto/peterditto/Publications/Iyer%20et%20al%202012.pdf?uniq=-5wjp24 The actual paper, for those having trouble tracking it down.
|
|
#
?
Jun 16, 2015 22:51
|
|
|
So forget the thing about Moldbug and other DE types not being quick enough for the political conversations they think they've mastered. Let's say tomorrow his society comes to pass. Tomorrow we're all in the New United States of Libertopia and it's Strong Rule the Weak. What stops Ronda Rousey or a husky 10th grader from stuffing the entire "movement" in a locker for fun?
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 11:00
|
|
|
Because they've convinced themselves that they're the greatest minds this world has ever seen, and fully believe they can convince everyone else.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 11:05
|
|
|
Razorwired posted:in the New United States of Libertopia and it's Strong Rule the Weak. What stops Ronda Rousey or a husky 10th grader from stuffing the entire "movement" in a locker for fun?
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 14:10
|
|
|
Ratoslov posted:What kind of mad-man would do this sort of thing? It makes a weird kind of sense in a vacuum - zero is a 'singular' number, with properties unlike any other number, and it sits at the center of the number line (or the complex plane). It makes sense to identity that sort of uniqueness with Truth, letting all the myriad other number represent Falsehood. (And on a less mystical note, it makes certain conventions simpler - "a == b" becomes logically equivalent to "a - b", for instance.) But you can make arguments for the conventional arrangement too, and in any case it's not worth reversing a convention as old as the field itself, especially since we really should be moving beyond nonsense type conversions like boolean -> integer.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 19:59
|
|
|
Ugh absolutely not. I'm not even a computer programmer but I understand at least that in a number system with zero and place value, having a zero in a place value indicates a "No/False" -- is this place value represented in this number? 0 = No = False.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 21:26
|
|
|
Technically speaking, it really doesn't matter if 1 is true and 0 is false so long as the entire system operates on the same paradigm or has an interface for the non-compliant portions. Of course, 1 equals true and 0 equals false is something of an industry standard, so there better be some sort of verifiable benefit from this departure or it's just some pointless tomfoolery.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 21:32
|
|
|
Wales Grey posted:pointless tomfoolery. darkenlightenment.txt
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 21:42
|
|
|
Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 21:45
|
|
|
0 = no value = no charge 1 = a value = a charge The 1/0 convention was established because of the nature of electronic encoding. fundamentally, no matter what language you use, it ends up in binary when it's actually being processed. Reversing it, especially just for the sake of being different, is the most asinine thing I've ever heard of in computer science, and this is a field dominated by asinine people.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 21:51
|
|
|
Alien Arcana posted:(And on a less mystical note, it makes certain conventions simpler - "a == b" becomes logically equivalent to "a - b", for instance.) Useless as this is in practice, I do find it pleasing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 18, 2015 22:23
|
|
|
Ron Paul Atreides posted:0 = no value = no charge I'd imagine some of the logic gates would have to be physically built differently too or have a NOT added to them or something. EDIT: Well I guess you could just declare that +5 volts is zero and 0 volts is 1 if you're an rear end in a top hat and want to be special...
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 00:23
|
|
|
neonnoodle posted:Ugh absolutely not. I'm not even a computer programmer but I understand at least that in a number system with zero and place value, having a zero in a place value indicates a "No/False" -- is this place value represented in this number? 0 = No = False. Obviously the best way to arrange things is to have three truth values, not two: True, false, and unknown, represented by 1, 0, and the Optional/Maybe monad. If you're creating an entirely new system it's nuts to not actually try to call out null separately since "no value" is such a common concept, and also to be entirely explicit about its propagation by using a monad.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 01:55
|
|
|
Parallel Paraplegic posted:EDIT: Well I guess you could just declare that +5 volts is zero and 0 volts is 1 if you're an rear end in a top hat and want to be special... Don't you mean “declare that -5V is zero and ±0 is 1”?
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 01:59
|
|
|
Jack of Hearts posted:Useless as this is in practice, I do find it pleasing.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 06:16
|
|
|
Nydwracu is the foremost neoreactionary / formalist thinker after Moldbug.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 11:40
|
|
|
Etalommi posted:Scott Alexander is pretty explicitly not neoreactionary though, and Eliezer pointed towards his anti writings when asked about the subject. If you know Scott Alexander then you'd know how big of a platform he gave neoreactionaries, being probably one of a few people who takes neoreaction seriously.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 11:45
|
|
|
Merdifex posted:Nydwracu is the foremost neoreactionary / formalist thinker after Moldbug.  Merdifex posted:If you know Scott Alexander then you'd know how big of a platform he gave neoreactionaries, being probably one of a few people who takes neoreaction seriously. His most recent article was about NRx too. I wonder if he gets tired writing huge articles about how the truth is in the middle between far-rightism and the center-left.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 12:40
|
|
|
The Vosgian Beast posted:His most recent article was about NRx too. I wonder if he gets tired writing huge articles about how the truth is in the middle between far-rightism and the center-left. Have you seen his tumblr? He follows and talks to no one but a select bunch of NRx and rationalists. Wesley included.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 12:59
|
|
|
Merdifex posted:Have you seen his tumblr? He follows and talks to no one but a select bunch of NRx and rationalists. Wesley included. Blah blah blah you're just using guilt by association to blah blah blah There, Scott, if you're reading this, I just saved you a lot of time typing out your 12 part response.
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 13:17
|
|
|
The Vosgian Beast posted:Blah blah blah you're just using guilt by association to blah blah blah Actually, someone pointed out the fact that Scott props up NRx and their lovely ideas on a pedestal and he had a three paragraph strongly worded response on tumblr. He said that since he once accused NRx of caring too much about white people, he's not really signal boosting them or anything
|
|
#
?
Jun 19, 2015 13:31
|
|
|
Merdifex posted:Nydwracu is the foremost neoreactionary / formalist thinker after Moldbug. I wonder what it's like being the second-shittiest thing in the world second to a big pile of poo poo. Is it a saving grace or another layer of failure?
|
|
#
?
Jun 20, 2015 02:47
|
|
|
Jack Gladney posted:I wonder what it's like being the second-shittiest thing in the world second to a big pile of poo poo. Is it a saving grace or another layer of failure? I don't know, maybe you can check out his tumblr to see how high the pile of poo poo stacks. But then again, it's mostly him complaining about his lovely position in life (which is caused by the communist USG who just hate white men like him.)
|
|
#
?
Jun 20, 2015 13:58
|
|
|
Merdifex posted:I don't know, maybe you can check out his tumblr to see how high the pile of poo poo stacks. But then again, it's mostly him complaining about his lovely position in life (which is caused by the communist USG who just hate white men like him.) Well I hate white men like him so I guess that one's accurate.
|
|
#
?
Jun 20, 2015 16:50
|
|
|
This government oppression got me down man. Can't they just see/ That if they're sovereign like me/They'd be free?
|
|
#
?
Jun 20, 2015 17:22
|
|
|
Toph Bei Fong posted:That he's a... What's the word for the opposite of a useful idiot? Someone who thinks they're being fair and intelligent, but is actually giving the one side exactly what it wants at the expense of the other? Fellow traveler doesn't work unless we're counting Less Wrong, et al., as neoreactionary, but he cites Scott Alexander and Eliezer Yudkowsky with praise a little too frequently not be associated with them. Yudkowsky hates Auerbach, ever since he wrote this article, bringing the thing Yudkowsky will forever be most famous for to wide attention. Yudkowsky called Auerbach a liar on Reddit (can't find the link, sorry), Auerbach showed up on Reddit and said "cite errors plz", Yudkowsky blustered, Auerbach said "cool story bro, here's my editor's email, HAND." (Auerbach's article is basically cribbed from the RationalWiki article without cite, because original and important thinkers only want to acknowledge the sources you might be impressed by.) Woolie Wool posted:Does anyone have any thoughts on this article comparing and contrasting the rationalist movement, libertarians, and the Dork Enlightenment? The basic thesis seems to be that all three are forms of anti-political politics created because nerds are too Dude's an insider who knows the people he's talking about personally, and admits to being more than a little  himself.You have to remember that neoreaction proper is a small and close-knit Internet subculture of no particular note that has only achieved any fame through creativity in their horribleness. Woolie Wool posted:Someone like Moldbug isn't really very smart, he is a stupid person's idea of what smart people write like. That nostalgebraist (another who knows these guys but is not of them) piece cited earlier nails Moldbug. Also this and this. "It is the ultimate edgy subculture, in that it has no appealing qualities except being an edgy subculture." While we're here, enjoy Moldbug's poetry.
|
|
#
?
Jun 20, 2015 22:13
|
|
, distorted and fetishized into forms completely divorced from reality). I think he gives them way too much slack, though. Someone like Moldbug isn't really very smart, he is a stupid person's idea of what smart people write like.
|
That RationalWiki article wastes way too many words on something so stupid.
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 00:29
|
|
|
The ultimate Neoreactionary is perhaps Lyndon LaRouche, whose worldview encompasses not only kooky crypto-fascist politics and economics, but also srs bzns aesthetic philosophy that privileges Germany over the rest of Europe. The followers stand on a street corner and sing Bach chorales or distribute literature about Kepler and the Platonic solids.
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 01:45
|
|
|
Merdifex posted:I don't know, maybe you can check out his tumblr to see how high the pile of poo poo stacks. But then again, it's mostly him complaining about his lovely position in life (which is caused by the communist USG who just hate white men like him.) I thought Countersignal was his tumblr name. I mean, he changes it a lot.
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 01:54
|
|
|
neonnoodle posted:The ultimate Neoreactionary is perhaps Lyndon LaRouche, whose worldview encompasses not only kooky crypto-fascist politics and economics, but also srs bzns aesthetic philosophy that privileges Germany over the rest of Europe. LaRouche is his own brand of crazy, which doesn't have much to do with Moldbug et al. Interestingly, despite his love of classical German composers and his antisemitism, he really hates Wagner. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 05:47 on Jun 21, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 05:44
|
|
|
Stultus Maximus posted:That RationalWiki article wastes way too many words on something so stupid. yes, yes it does. i mean HOW DARE YOU SIR DISPARAGE MY HARD WON EXPERTISE IN THESE MATTERS at least it's immaculately cited The Neoreactionary movement article is shorter. Also includes the cite to the fact that Anissimov worries about the Basilisk. divabot has a new favorite as of 10:30 on Jun 21, 2015 |
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 10:27
|
|
|
divabot posted:The Neoreactionary movement article is shorter. "Stung by accusations that they are spending their lives doing for words what Bitcoin does for electricity" Yesssss.
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 11:23
|
|
|
Tiberius Thyben posted:"Stung by accusations that they are spending their lives doing for words what Bitcoin does for electricity" That's a pretty sick burn
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 11:45
|
|
|
Silver2195 posted:LaRouche is his own brand of crazy, which doesn't have much to do with Moldbug et al. Interestingly, despite his love of classical German composers and his antisemitism, he really hates Wagner. Yeah I phrased my post badly -- I didn't mean that LLR is a neoreactionary of the same movement, but rather that he's an example of what happens when people and their batshitinsane ideology become cults unto themselves. Like I could see Moldbug and his followers becoming similar. That certainly has happened to a degree with Paul Elam.
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 19:59
|
|
|
Man, even if I saw this without any context I would assume this guy was some kind of douche. Why is it always so obvious?
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 20:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 9, 2024 03:58 |
|
|
Maxwell Lord posted:Man, even if I saw this without any context I would assume this guy was some kind of douche. Why is it always so obvious? If I saw this without context I'd assume it was like some The Onion poo poo because it's almost too perfectly hilarious.
|
|
#
?
Jun 21, 2015 20:50
|
|