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JonathonSpectre posted:Where exactly can we go to find a symbol as offensive as the flag of a despotic slave-empire that tried to destroy the United States wholly in service of white supremacy and domination of all facets of life in America by the parasitic planter 1%? There's plenty, the Japanese imperial flag and you know the actual Nazi one.
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Jun 20, 2015 18:06
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:You think you know a guy... It's because he's not running.
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Jun 20, 2015 18:07
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think we need to research and study the process of radicalization to better understand and prevent these whackos from getting created. Not with my taxpayer money you ain't 
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Jun 20, 2015 18:08
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his usage of "to many" is pretty lovely, even though i guess technically correct since white supremacists don't find it offensive.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think we need to research and study the process of radicalization to better understand and prevent these whackos from getting created. That might be difficult since 'convincing young men to kill and die for a cause' is pretty essential to societies. The concern is individuals being radicalized by 'niche' causes.
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Jun 20, 2015 18:09
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:You think you know a guy... If they take it down, I hope he's not driving when he hears the news 
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Jun 20, 2015 18:11
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McDowell posted:That might be difficult since 'convincing young men to kill and die for a cause' is pretty essential to societies. The concern is individuals being radicalized by 'niche' causes. This is an excellent point. We understand the process very well. Stopping it selectively may involved censorship that I am not entirely comfortable with. Judakel fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Jun 20, 2015 18:13
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forbidden lesbian posted:his usage of "to many" is pretty lovely, even though i guess technically correct since white supremacists don't find it offensive. Well to some it's not a symbol of racial hatred. It's a symbol that we should respect the noble black man, but God always intended him to be a servant of the white man. Do you hate your car or your dog or a child? Of course not; you respect them, but they do your bidding and understand that you run things. That'd be funnier if it weren't true for some people. Good Citizen posted:If they take it down, I hope he's not driving when he hears the news If he is driving, I hope he takes a moment while he's pulled over to give the dog some water and let it take a leak.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Where exactly can we go to find a symbol as offensive as the flag of a despotic slave-empire that tried to destroy the United States wholly in service of white supremacy and domination of all facets of life in America by the parasitic planter 1%?
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JonathonSpectre posted:Where exactly can we go to find a symbol as offensive as the flag of a despotic slave-empire that tried to destroy the United States wholly in service of white supremacy and domination of all facets of life in America by the parasitic planter 1%?  Congo Free State, for those who don't recognize it.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:You think you know a guy...
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I know Fade5 has been harping on this already, but reading that manifesto, it really strikes me that this reads a lot like how people become radicalized into fighting or committing terrorist acts in the name of ISIS or similar groups, the only difference is the ideology he was indoctrinated into. Shame that nobody in media is likely going to focus on that connection, and will keep wringing their hands about how this kid ended up doing what he did. Was it mental illness? who knows! He was obviously just very disturbed.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Where exactly can we go to find a symbol as offensive as the flag of a despotic slave-empire that tried to destroy the United States wholly in service of white supremacy and domination of all facets of life in America by the parasitic planter 1%? 
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ATP_Power posted:I know Fade5 has been harping on this already, but reading that manifesto, it really strikes me that this reads a lot like how people become radicalized into fighting or committing terrorist acts in the name of ISIS or similar groups, the only difference is the ideology he was indoctrinated into. Shame that nobody in media is likely going to focus on that connection, and will keep wringing their hands about how this kid ended up doing what he did. Was it mental illness? who knows! He was obviously just very disturbed. Fortunately we have investigative journalist Bill O'Reilly to make that exact comparison.
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Jun 20, 2015 18:32
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:You think you know a guy... Romney's been speaking against the Confederate flag since at least 2007.
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Dylann Roof posted:Now White parents are forced to move to the suburbs to send their children to “good schools”. But what constitutes a “good school”? The fact is that how good a school is considered directly corresponds to how White it is. I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs. To me it represents nothing but scared White people running. Well, other than the idea that white people were forced to flee to the suburbs rather than cheerfully doing so, he's not wrong about this part. Shame about the other 2,450 words.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2LTL8KgKv8&t=15s
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You know, a random thought I had about the Charleston shooter: who is taking these pictures of him? I mean, none of them are selfies or anything, so that means someone had to be holding the camera, framing it, and going "yeah, this is a good pose for you," without somehow seeing aura of slightly wrong he portends. Really, he's burning an American flag in one of them. What was going through the camera-person's mind?
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Meanwhile in LA, the LAPD blew an unarmed guy's head off for trying to flag down an officer after getting out of his car. Then handcuffed the body with its brains all over the sidewalk. Can we just end this great American experiment and start over already? It's not working. There's nothing we can do. I read these articles and I want to die. Morroque posted:You know, a random thought I had about the Charleston shooter: who is taking these pictures of him? A tripod and a 30-second timer?
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Morroque posted:You know, a random thought I had about the Charleston shooter: who is taking these pictures of him? tripods and timers exist
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Popular Thug Drink posted:tripods and timers exist But is Roof smart enough to use them?
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Popular Thug Drink posted:tripods and timers exist I can only hope that was the case. The thought that it might've actually been someone else is frightening in itself.
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Morroque posted:I can only hope that was the case. The thought that it might've actually been someone else is frightening in itself. i'm not terrified by the idea of racists taking pictures of each other
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Jun 20, 2015 19:34
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Can we charge the tripod with terrorism?
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Jun 20, 2015 19:35
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If his dad gave him the tripod lets charge him with material support of a terrorist.
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mlmp08 posted:If his dad gave him the tripod lets charge him with material support of a terrorist. Only if he sat on it.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:
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They're really going to run with this "black friends on Facebook" thing aren't they. It was probably him doing research on who to kill. They might as well say "he can't have been a white supremacist, he went to a black church!" 
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McDowell posted:But is Roof smart enough to use them? probably? they're not very hard to figure out dude
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Jun 20, 2015 19:49
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You know, in a way, it's kinda good that his manifesto is basically just Internet Racist talk. You could probably make a pretty good game out of "Domestic Terrorist or GOP Presidential Candidate?"
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McDowell posted:But is Roof smart enough to use them? Yeah 21 year olds tend to have a really hard time figuring out basic technology
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I don't really feel like going to his website or reading his manifesto, but for those who have, does he ever admit to being part of any white power group? This is obviously getting a lot of attention and his manifesto is in the news so the word is out there, but I'm wondering if we'll get to see any increased investigations into these movements by the feds now that this has happened.
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site posted:I don't really feel like going to his website or reading his manifesto, but for those who have, does he ever admit to being part of any white power group? Doesn't look like it, he just traveled deep down the rabbit hole of internet racism and hyper-conservative rhetoric about black people destroying white civilization. This was a typical young internet nerd struggling with feelings of powerlessness and meaninglessness in the face of the modern world, and he latched onto far-right racist ideology as a salve and specifically the idea of black people as a scapegoat for everything wrong with the world.
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Cythereal posted:Doesn't look like it, he just traveled deep down the rabbit hole of internet racism and hyper-conservative rhetoric about black people destroying white civilization. This was a typical young internet nerd struggling with feelings of powerlessness and meaninglessness in the face of the modern world, and he latched onto far-right racist ideology as a salve and specifically the idea of black people as a scapegoat for everything wrong with the world. Pretty sure you're wrong and it was anime that drove him to kill.
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ATP_Power posted:I know Fade5 has been harping on this already, but reading that manifesto, it really strikes me that this reads a lot like how people become radicalized into fighting or committing terrorist acts in the name of ISIS or similar groups, the only difference is the ideology he was indoctrinated into. Shame that nobody in media is likely going to focus on that connection, and will keep wringing their hands about how this kid ended up doing what he did. Was it mental illness? who knows! He was obviously just very disturbed. Radicalization is hard to fight against even in the best of times, and these are not the best of times. I had thought we'd been making progress, but it seems like we're backsliding on a lot of fronts and I don't know what I can really do about it. There's been that rear end in a top hat who killed six people in a shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, the murder of Dr. George Tiller (ran an abortion clinic) who was also killed in a loving church, a pair of anti-immigration assholes who killed of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter, the Bundy Ranch stand-off, that rear end in a top hat in Dallas, those Gadsden Flag spree killers in Las Vegas (Remember them? Fox sure doesn't) and now this rear end in a top hat. I'm honestly starting to slide into some slightly dark thoughts along the line of "Do we have to have some more slaughters like Waco and Ruby Ridge and/or another OKC-style bombing before this poo poo finally gets forced back underground?", and I really hate that I'm starting to think like that. I just feel kinda helpless, and it sucks.
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He dropped out of school after repeating ninth grade and couldn't get a job so like a good conservative he blamed minorities.
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FAUXTON posted:He dropped out of school after repeating ninth grade and couldn't get a job so like a good conservative he blamed minorities. drat affirmative action grade promotions. Also what anime body pillow did he own and how crusty was it?
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fade5 posted:I'm honestly starting to slide into some slightly dark thoughts along the line of "Do we have to have some more slaughters like Waco and Ruby Ridge and/or another OKC-style bombing before this poo poo finally gets forced back underground?", and I really hate that I'm starting to think like that. I just feel kinda helpless, and it sucks. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if even something like that failed to produce any meaningful change. Modern America is deeply politically polarized between Us and Them, and that's incredibly difficult to shake. Remember that the Bundy Ranch intended to use the women present as human shields. Do you really think the Republicans would have had a come to Jesus moment if violence had broken out and women used as human shields were killed in the process? I don't think they would. I think they would have blamed their deaths on the [Democrat, because the Republicans clearly had nothing to do with it] federal government.
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