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McDowell posted:That might be difficult since 'convincing young men to kill and die for a cause' is pretty essential to societies. The concern is individuals being radicalized by 'niche' causes. I disagree. It is essential to starting wars. But not to winning them and not to national defense. The willingness to fight to protect ones home/territory is instinctive in all humans. It doesn't need to be inculcated. When a nation is truly in peril there are no shortage of fighters. Most notably female fighters who have, if anything, been socially conditioned not to fight. But in the face of actual danger Russian women cut off their hair and became snipers or flew with the night witches. Native American women ride in cavalry charges and participated in guerrilla raids as well as acted as scouts. There are fascinating documentaries following the women veterans of Viet Nam ( http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0253219/reviews?ref_=m_tt_urv#showAll ). Hell, there were prominent women fighters in the Troubles in Ireland and standing before fire hoses and dogs in Selma. If women will kill and die in defense of their homes and families despite heavy indoctrination not to, then why should radicalization of men be necessary for society to continue?
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Brigadier Sockface posted:Mitt Romney Mitt even said during the 2008 primary debates that the confederate flag "is divisive and shouldn't be shown". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ZXWaYyM8U
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Jun 20, 2015 20:31
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Cythereal posted:Remember that the Bundy Ranch intended to use the women present as human shields. I would phrase this as, Remember, the women that rallied to defend the Bundy Ranch were volunteering to be human shields. They have agency. They weren't passive captives. They believed that the tyrannical federal government would gun them down and sought to be martyrs.
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fade5 posted:I appreciate the namedrop, and that my posts are making sense to other people. It really is depressing to realize that the brainwashing/radicalization process is so similar, because I can identify the similarities all day but I can't really do a goddamn thing about it. It's easy to know where he got the indoctrination from and to know why he did what he did, but preventing this from happening again (and again and again and ...) means acknowledging how toxic all that poo poo is, how bad it all is. That's the first step, but it's really hard to even get people to acknowledge that this is a loving problem, and you can't really move on to fixing the problem if it isn't acknowledged as a problem in the first place. While there are a ton of things that are great about the internet, it's a useful tool for reactionaries as well. To me it seems like people can find a tidbit of info that makes sense to them, and then they get drawn into an information bubble that feeds them exactly what they want to hear and blocks out conflicting narratives. The fact that the modern American right wing bubble has more and more overlapped with extremist reactionary bubbles is troubling. I think it's very easy for someone to fall down the rabbit hole starting on Fox and talk radio before going online through outlets like Drudge and then into places like Infowars, Freep and Stormfront. I don't think this has been a conscious decision on the part of these outlets (Fox and co) as much as it is a natural progression as RWM has moved further and further to the right. The Frankenstein's monster of the modern Tea Party coalition I feel has been a cynical attempt to harness reactionary sentiment to secure political aims for the billionaire class, and this violent radicalization of the right is an unintended consequence for the people who started and continue to feed the movement.
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fade5 posted:I appreciate the namedrop, and that my posts are making sense to other people. It really is depressing to realize that the brainwashing/radicalization process is so similar, because I can identify the similarities all day but I can't really do a goddamn thing about it. It's easy to know where he got the indoctrination from and to know why he did what he did, but preventing this from happening again (and again and again and ...) means acknowledging how toxic all that poo poo is, how bad it all is. That's the first step, but it's really hard to even get people to acknowledge that this is a loving problem, and you can't really move on to fixing the problem if it isn't acknowledged as a problem in the first place. You've got your dark thoughts backwards. Waco and Ruby Ridge were motivations for right wing lunatics, including Timothy McVeigh. And I don't think the country is backsliding, even though it can seem that way when such horrific events are fresh on everyone's minds. I think the racists know they're slowly losing, and they're getting desperate. And when they're desperate, their true feelings are a lot less hidden than they used to be.
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fade5 posted:I'm honestly starting to slide into some slightly dark thoughts along the line of "Do we have to have some more slaughters like Waco and Ruby Ridge and/or another OKC-style bombing before this poo poo finally gets forced back underground?", and I really hate that I'm starting to think like that. I just feel kinda helpless, and it sucks. Yes the government heavy handedly killing more citizens is exactly what will help fix things.
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mlmp08 posted:It is not even a new thing: http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040 Volksfront is the most active white supremacist organization in the NW right now. Regardless, that article is really good. There are too many residents here that think we're some Utopia where racism never happened. The racial history of Oregon is awful. The state elected a Klan backed Democratic governor in the 20s (don't tell Sarah Palin). In other topics, I was linked to this great piece yesterday on the "Mythology of Whiteness". https://medium.com/message/whiteness-3ead03700322
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Roof's site was either down or overloaded when I tried it but thankfully someone thought to point the Internet Archive at it earlier today: https://web.archive.org/web/20150620134455/http://lastrhodesian.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150620135047/http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt is his manifesto
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ponzicar posted:You've got your dark thoughts backwards. Waco and Ruby Ridge were motivations for right wing lunatics, including Timothy McVeigh. Well then, thanks for the correction and for giving me a little optimism. Seriously, thanks.  E: Also McAlister you missed the Kurdish YPJ in your list of awesome women's fighter groups. 
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Jun 20, 2015 21:00
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I still love that the conservative site that he explicitly mentions set him off against blacks had to walk it back but STILL stipulates that it was PROBABLY motivated by racism. I mean, he stated his motivation multiple times out loud and in the manifesto that directly links data from you as inspiring his racist hate, but there is still a chance that it's not. This loving country.
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Jun 20, 2015 21:01
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site posted:I don't really feel like going to his website or reading his manifesto, but for those who have, does he ever admit to being part of any white power group? no, there are a lot of white supremacists out there mopping sweat off their brow that this guy was a "lone nut"
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This just popped up in my feed. These two shiteaters were just let go Friday from their jobs as police lieutenants in some Alabama town for their ties to a WN group. The kicker? Their superiors and the town manager knew they were WN assholes for a couple years because the SPLC made a report on them and reported them to the city police/government. It's just a few bad apples though, right guys?
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html 4 zillion op-ed talking heads covering Charleston and its 2 weird twitter goons who uncover the manifesto quote:“As a communist,” Quangel said, “it is my duty and obligation to spend at least $49 to help ruin this guy’s insanity plea.” 
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:This just popped up in my feed. These two shiteaters were just let go Friday from their jobs as police lieutenants in some Alabama town for their ties to a WN group. The kicker? Their superiors and the town manager knew they were WN assholes for a couple years because the SPLC made a report on them and reported them to the city police/government. It's just a few bad apples though, right guys? You know the old saying: "A few bad apples create a culture in which they can murder a whole bunch of minorities with impunity."
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Jun 20, 2015 21:20
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It's a really good quote.
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Jun 20, 2015 21:25
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html lmao
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html good poo poo
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fosborb posted:It's a really good quote. The thing I always appreciate about goons is that they will put in that little extra bit of effort to gently caress someone over. Like, they could have posted it places without the confirmation, or passed it off to a reporter, and it would have been done. But goons go the extra mile just to make sure when they dick someone over. It's like a supervillain moving something to a higher shelf so the people can't reach it. You don't have to, but it is giving 110% like that which makes the difference. And it being applies to a fuckwad line this, all the better Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Jun 20, 2015 21:36
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html comedy gold
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A ton of people (40M +) recently saw Jon Stewart's speech on Charleston today and yesterday. Could this video alone make many people wake the gently caress up to the ugly truth? Or will they continue to do jack-poo poo?
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Jun 20, 2015 21:41
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Internet Webguy posted:I still love that the conservative site that he explicitly mentions set him off against blacks had to walk it back but STILL stipulates that it was PROBABLY motivated by racism. Looks like that site has been knocked offline now
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Jun 20, 2015 21:42
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SA goons found this stuff? Man, sometimes I love this website... Did they get banned for doxxing?
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Grouchio posted:A ton of people (40M +) recently saw Jon Stewart's speech on Charleston today and yesterday. Could this video alone make many people wake the gently caress up to the ugly truth? Or will they continue to do jack-poo poo? I think you know the answer.
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Grouchio posted:A ton of people (40M +) recently saw Jon Stewart's speech on Charleston today and yesterday. Could this video alone make many people wake the gently caress up to the ugly truth? Or will they continue to do jack-poo poo? The latter. The people who need to wake up don't watch Jon Stewart and completely dismiss everything he says.
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site posted:SA goons found this stuff? Man, sometimes I love this website... Itd only be fair. Although isn't that just for other members?
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Grouchio posted:A ton of people (40M +) recently saw Jon Stewart's speech on Charleston today and yesterday. Could this video alone make many people wake the gently caress up to the ugly truth? Or will they continue to do jack-poo poo? A lot of them will think "Well thankfully I live in [Northern City] where we don't have racism".
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Gravel Gravy posted:Itd only be fair. Although isn't that just for other members?
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Grouchio posted:A ton of people (40M +) recently saw Jon Stewart's speech on Charleston today and yesterday. Could this video alone make many people wake the gently caress up to the ugly truth? Or will they continue to do jack-poo poo? Well it's like Mao said, power flows from a sick political burn
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I've learned to say "y'all" and eat grits. Oh and gently caress your racist flag. -Mitt
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Fried Chicken posted:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/20/how-twitter-sleuths-found-dylann-roof-s-manifesto.html Does Krinkle still post here once in a while or am I thinking of someone else from rhizzone? Either way, lmfao at rhizzone busting the case
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The FBI made a statement that this attack is not terrorism because 'it was not a political act'. Are you kidding me? Is it only terrorism when the FBI helps you to commit a crime?
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Jun 20, 2015 22:11
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How is targeting a state senator to trigger a race war not a political act? Did they say the same thing with Loughner?
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FlamingLiberal posted:The FBI made a statement that this attack is not terrorism because 'it was not a political act'. Interesting. Can you link to the statement?
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FlamingLiberal posted:The FBI made a statement that this attack is not terrorism because 'it was not a political act'. Are you kidding me? Is it only terrorism when the FBI helps you to commit a crime? Didn't they say that yesterday though?
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Badger of Basra posted:Didn't they say that yesterday though? http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fbi-director-says-charleston-shooting-not-terrorism/
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It's only terrorism if your skin is darker than an Italian.
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