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Another reminder that the FBI can be astonishingly stupid.
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Is it wrong for me to keep treating the FBI as gestapo in my head? I have no idea why they haven't been reformed yet too appear less synonymous with Big Bro. And the CIA aren't like this too (to it's citizens), right?
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Jun 20, 2015 22:32
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Grouchio posted:And the CIA aren't like this too (to it's citizens), right? The FBI, at least, helps coordinate Federal/State police actions and poo poo.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:35
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Grouchio posted:Is it wrong for me to keep treating the FBI as gestapo in my head? I have no idea why they haven't been reformed yet too appear less synonymous with Big Bro. You're thinking of the NSA, much more than the FBI or CIA.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:35
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None of those agencies are very competent when it comes to protecting our citizens.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:39
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JT Jag posted:It's only terrorism if your skin is darker than an Italian. You've got it backwards; the skin color of the targets has to be lighter than a paper bag.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:41
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FlamingLiberal posted:None of those agencies are very competent when it comes to protecting our citizens. That's a hard call to make, given that we necessarily almost never hear of would-have-been attacks that they actively stopped or simply prevented from their normal activities. And there's pretty much nothing the CIA, FBI, NSA, or other alphabet soup agencies can do about things like Charleston or Bundy Ranch.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:44
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DOOP posted:Idgi someone paid 49 dollars to do what the fbi could prob get done for free
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Jun 20, 2015 22:45
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also they're apparently an lf goon
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Jun 20, 2015 22:46
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Cythereal posted:That's a hard call to make No it isn't. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/13/review-finds-nsametadatacollectionhasntstoppedanattack.html End the NSA.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:46
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Great work, HenryKrinkle and company. Makes me proud to be involved with this website.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:47
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Cythereal posted:That's a hard call to make, given that we necessarily almost never hear of would-have-been attacks that they actively stopped or simply prevented from their normal activities. They always hold a presser when they make arrests and foil an attack.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:47
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Predictably, roof's manifesto site is down. Anyone have a mirror or the foresight to copy his text?  edit: google is good at stuff http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QkKjKxWm mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Jun 20, 2015 22:52
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What I'm hearing from the FBI statement is "not terrorism, so we don't have to count our failure to prevent it as a fuckup."
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Jun 20, 2015 22:54
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:What I'm hearing from the FBI statement is "not terrorism, so we don't have to count our failure to prevent it as a fuckup." Preparing for an O'Malley Presidency.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:56
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:What I'm hearing from the FBI statement is "not terrorism, so we don't have to count our failure to prevent it as a fuckup." It's not terrorism because he didn't have a muslimy name.
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Jun 20, 2015 22:56
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mlmp08 posted:Predictably, roof's manifesto site is down. Anyone have a mirror or the foresight to copy his text? I have a copy of the text and images from this morning. I'm not home right now but I can put the manifesto up here in full later unless someone beats me to it. Probably on a list now....
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Jun 20, 2015 22:56
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Crain posted:I have a copy of the text and images from this morning. I'm not home right now but I can put the manifesto up here in full later unless someone beats me to it. why would you be on a list? the FBI admitted this has nothing to do with terrorism
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Jun 20, 2015 23:01
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full text is on talkingpointsmemo
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Jun 20, 2015 23:01
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mlmp08 posted:Predictably, roof's manifesto site is down. Anyone have a mirror or the foresight to copy his text? Mother Jones' article about it has the PDF and the text linked: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/alleged-charleston-shooter-dylann-roof-manifesto-racist http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2108059/lastrhodesian-manifesto.pdf http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2108059/lastrhodesian-manifesto.txt Also, the Council of Conservative Citizens' website is either down or underground or something, anyone have info on that?
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Jun 20, 2015 23:02
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forbidden lesbian posted:also they're apparently an lf goon At one time he posted in here a lot, but everyone was always bitching at him about dropping 20 page in depth reports and articles; so he stopped. Which really sucked because I liked to read the stuff he posted.
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Jun 20, 2015 23:05
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Quotin' my dad's response to this attack (he did not write the book he mentions): "Seems like an occasion to plug my pet peeve, Louisiana's non-unanimous criminal jury law, which was first enacted in 1898 at the end of Reconstruction and the beginning of Jim Crow, "to assure the supremacy of the Anglo-Saxon race in Louisiana," that's a direct quote from the proceedings of the constitutional convention of that year when former Confederates recovered their voting rights and reasserted political hegemony. The definitive book on this came out last month from LSU Press." http://www.amazon.com/Jim-Crows-Last-Stand-Nonunanimous/dp/0807158992 Book synopsis: quote:The last remnant of the racist Redeemer agenda in the Louisiana's legal system, the nonunanimous jury-verdict law permits juries to convict criminal defendants with only ten out of twelve votes. A legal oddity among southern states, the ordinance has survived multiple challenges since its ratification in 1880. Despite the law's long history, few are aware of its existence, its original purpose, or its modern consequences. At a time when Louisiana's penal system has fallen under national scrutiny, Jim Crow's Last Stand presents a timely, penetrating, and concise look at the history of this law's origins and its troubling legacy.
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Jun 20, 2015 23:05
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woops doublepost
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Jun 20, 2015 23:06
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Grouchio posted:Is it wrong for me to keep treating the FBI as gestapo in my head? I have no idea why they haven't been reformed yet too appear less synonymous with Big Bro. The CIA literally anally raped people to the point of causing a prolapsed anus Edit: Here Grouchio, these are the people that you admire and desire to work for (lol).
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Jun 20, 2015 23:08
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In that Charles "American Treasure" Pierce article linked earlier, he used the nickname "Squint and the Meat Puppet," with which I was unfamiliar. (Turns out it's Morning Joe and Mika. Here are some more, for posterity: Frankly Curious posted:Big Chicken: Chris Chistie
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Jun 20, 2015 23:14
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Mister Mind posted:In that Charles "American Treasure" Pierce article linked earlier, he used the nickname "Squint and the Meat Puppet," with which I was unfamiliar. (Turns out it's Morning Joe and Mika. wtf is is this poo poo
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Jun 20, 2015 23:17
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Jagchosis posted:The CIA literally anally raped people to the point of causing a prolapsed anus
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Jun 20, 2015 23:32
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Grouchio posted:John Woo doesn't run things anymore. Even then I wouldn't really care. John Yoo never "ran things," he wrote a legal memo justifying the use of torture and the CIA actually far exceeded what he believed was justifiable and lawful. Also you are a terrible, terrible, terrible person. edit: And the orchestrator of the torture scheme was repeatedly promoted. And the CIA still defends its use of torture. This is not even touching on the multitude of other crimes and institutional failures of the CIA. Homura and Sickle fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Jun 20, 2015 23:33
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Grouchio posted:Even then I wouldn't really care. jesus christ
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Jun 20, 2015 23:37
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Huey, please, I'm just doing my job. It's a crappy job but someone has to kick people in the nuts, and sometimes you kick the wrong person in the nuts and that's tragic. But now we can both make sure it's the right pair of nuts that get kicked.
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Jun 20, 2015 23:45
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McDowell posted:Huey, please, I'm just doing my job. It's a crappy job but someone has to kick people in the nuts, and sometimes you kick the wrong person in the nuts and that's tragic. But now we can both make sure it's the right pair of nuts that get kicked.  Flowers, do not kick that man in the nuts JT Jag fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jun 20, 2015 |
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Jun 20, 2015 23:48
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Grouchio posted:John Woo doesn't run things anymore. Even then I wouldn't really care. I'm pretty sure part of the reason the CIA is so godawful is because it's run by sadistic psychopaths and semi-sentient manchildren like yourself
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Jun 21, 2015 00:11
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I rescind my previous statement: I never did condone torture and I will not now. Seriously. I would prefer the methods used by that Jack Cloonan guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biGRQY67VOA Grouchio fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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Jun 21, 2015 00:14
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Grouchio posted:John Woo doesn't run things anymore. Even then I wouldn't really care. I want to say that being an incompetent, blind yes-man won't get you into the CIA but the torture document suggests otherwise.
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Jun 21, 2015 00:27
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Small Frozen Thing posted:I'm pretty sure part of the reason the CIA is so godawful is because it's run by sadistic psychopaths and semi-sentient manchildren like yourself No its mainly due to the bureaucracy/compartmentalization of everything. One hand did t know what the other was doing and no one wants to send bad news up the chain of command. Then after the poo poo hits the fan and the public finds out everyone has no choice but to stick together and parrot the PR talking points.
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Jun 21, 2015 00:29
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The FBI is just normal government/bureaucratic agency levels of incompetent, the CIA is cartoon villain levels incompetent and evil
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Jun 21, 2015 00:39
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ponzicar posted:You've got your dark thoughts backwards. Waco and Ruby Ridge were motivations for right wing lunatics, including Timothy McVeigh. The main reason it feels like it's backsliding is because advances in communications technology allow for even minor tragedies and every incidental murder to be broadcast to the world within minutes of their occurrence. Gun violence has been in a steady decline for decades, but people are in an increasing panic over it. It can't be because it's increasing (statistically it's doing the exact opposite), but why? Because the spread of the internet allows for every single spree killing and heinous murder to be almost instantaneously spread to millions or billions of people worldwide before the bodies are cold, and for people all over the world to immediately come to blows over conflicting opinions. The side effect is that by making every single bad thing in the world instantly on demand, it falsely creates the appearance that poo poo is getting worse. Chances are you see little to no crime or tragedy in your daily life if you're living in a first world country, but you hear about tons of murders and robberies and lynchings and violence....in other states. In the 1970s (when crime was on a downright meteoric rise), some teenager getting shot in the back of the head in Los Angeles would garner little to no attention in Poughkeepsie. Now, the guys in Poughkeepsie can Google every single murder that happened yesterday and have the biggest incidents (like gunfights at biker bars) splashed across their news and social media. You likely have friends in other states that you've never even met, who tell you all about local problems. Actually getting a good handle on whether society is improving or deteriorating involves a little more critical thinking and comparisons.
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Jun 21, 2015 00:42
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icantfindaname posted:The FBI is just normal government/bureaucratic agency levels of incompetent, the CIA is cartoon villain levels incompetent and evil The CIA will go to great lengths to avoid the next embarrassment. This quest is a self fulfilling prophecy that tends to end in embarrassment.
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Jun 21, 2015 00:44
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The FBI often does good things, and spends time tracking down real criminals. They are law enforcement, and may not always be great, but are probably better than average American law enforcement by a good margin. The CIA exists explicitly to break laws and undermine the rule of law, with the justification that, well, someone needs to do it.
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GlyphGryph posted:The CIA exists explicitly to break laws and undermine the rule of law, with the justification that, well, someone needs to do it. Also to bypass those commie surrender-monkeys at Foggy Bottom.
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