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Shwqa posted:Wait seriously? Do you have the instant death bow by that point? You can buy Killer Bows in Quelb, yes. You may not have !Rapidfire by that point, though, especially if you're speedrunning, which makes it far more luckbased to proc the ID on the seal guardians.
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Kyrosiris posted:Yes, waste your loving eyedrops on the person WHO HAS !RAPIDFIRE. THIS IS SOUND TACTICAL PLANNING. Noooooooooooooooo There is literally nothing cooler than rapid fire with shades on. My knight last year with the blood sword and rapid fire was blind for almost the entire third world.
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Jun 21, 2015 07:44
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He just gave the Chicken Knife to his Dancer. HE HAS A RANGER WITH RAPID FIRE.
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Jun 21, 2015 08:07
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Kyrosiris posted:He just gave the Chicken Knife to his Dancer. But you see, without the Chicken Knife, his Sword Dance damage will be abysmal! 
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Jun 21, 2015 08:10
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Dragondarch tactical planning: change your Ranger with !Rapid Fire unlocked into a Red Mage because she "probably has the least damage".
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Jun 21, 2015 08:22
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KataraniSword posted:But you see, without the Chicken Knife, his Sword Dance damage will be abysmal! I don't know, for the Rift portion of the game at least I think I'd be using the Chicken Knife on my dancer. Yoichi's bow does plenty of damage, as I recall the proc triggers on RapidFire. I've had very good luck with Dancers from an offensive standpoint, I don't know why people pan them so much. Sword Dance becomes reliable at the same part of the game you get the Chicken Knife, which is coincidentally also the same part of the game where good Dancer weapons dry up. I know this guy is not very good at the game and what have you but I don't think it's a crazy decision. Kyrosiris posted:Dragondarch tactical planning: change your Ranger with !Rapid Fire unlocked into a Red Mage because she "probably has the least damage". Okay, lol, yeah this guy is retarded
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Jun 21, 2015 08:24
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I know somewhere between Jack and poo poo about speedrunning since I have no real interest in it, but even I'm starting to wonder about this guy. Maybe he's doing it on purpose to troll people. It's a mini-victory for him every time a viewer's eye twitches.
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Mirthless posted:I don't know, for the Rift portion of the game at least I think I'd be using the Chicken Knife on my dancer. Yoichi's bow does plenty of damage, as I recall the proc triggers on RapidFire. I've had very good luck with Dancers from an offensive standpoint, I don't know why people pan them so much. Sword Dance becomes reliable at the same part of the game you get the Chicken Knife, which is coincidentally also the same part of the game where good Dancer weapons dry up. "Reliable" is really, really sugarcoating it unless you're playing Can Of Worms's romhack; even in the best case scenario, Sword Dance is a 50% chance of doing 4x damage. Yes, it comes out to a net gain equal to Chicken Knife Rapidfire, but it's also grossly subject to RNG hate, and in certain areas (read: anywhere with undead like, oh, the first dungeon you can get to after getting the Chicken Knife) the other 50% of the time will outright reduce your Dancer to a puddle of dead disco. Dancers are not as bad as their naysayers suggest - "competing for weakest of the most broken set of classes" is hardly something to be ashamed of - but they're also not some untouchable bastion of Ribbon-donning godhood like some people imply either.
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Jun 21, 2015 08:33
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!Rapid Fire is literally better than !Dance with the Rainbow Dress. Sword Dance is effectively 4x damage (2x Attack, 2x M) that occurs 50% of the time, so effective 2x damage over infinite timespan. Rapid Fire is effectively 2x damage (1/2 M, 4 attacks) that has upsides (cannot miss, ignores defense, ignores weapon procs). On top of that, he's at outrageously inflated levels, and has Monk, so he could Barehanded Sword Dance for upwards of 3k. Which he was doing in world 2, but has stopped because  .E: He has now equipped !Red 2 to his Mastered Ranger for Melusine.
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Kyrosiris posted:!Rapid Fire is literally better than !Dance with the Rainbow Dress. Yeah, I was kind of trying to make that point while at the same time not making it sound like Dancer was terrible. Another point in !Rapid Fire's favor - again, the two 'miss' results for !Dance, Tempting Tango and Jitterbug - are weak because they run off of a Dancer's mediocre magic, but still do enough damage that if they're reversed (again, undead) they'll instagib your game-worst-vitality rear end (or drain you of all your MP which is more akin to "you just wasted your turn, rear end in a top hat") (Unless you're Level 35 at the beginning of World 3, in which case 300-500 damage is just a slap on the wrist, especially if you slap !Dance on your Fist Wizard.  )
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Kyrosiris posted:!Rapid Fire is literally better than !Dance with the Rainbow Dress. Of course, there's also the obvious downside of being unable to choose your targets with Rapid Fire. Which can be a problem against foes that require precise damage control, such as the Crystals or Gargoyles against a team with no decent MT damage. But then again, precise damage isn't exactly the domain of Dance either, so it's a wash. As for your edit, my theory is looking more and more likely. Or he hit his head recently.
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I'd still say in the long run the Chicken Knife's a better choice for the Dancer than the Ranger, just because the Dancer's got fewer good weapon options than the Ranger. Yoichi's Bow is great, and only Rangers can use it. (I mean, Equip Bows is technically a thing, except for the Bow accuracy penalty loving things up) Dancer gets, what, Man-eater? Man-Eater's great but it's nowhere near as good as the Chicken Knife. You can always give the Dancer !RapidFire if you don't like the inconsistency of !Dance, they're going to be just as good at as the Ranger is.
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Jun 21, 2015 09:02
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 It's a loving Christmas miracle. As for Dancer vs Ranger with the CK, I'd rather it not take a 20% reduction in effectiveness. quote:[03:09:36] <~Kyrosiris> .mcalc 35 40 chicken 36 After reductions, that's M of 10 vs M of 8; the Dancer can just use Barehanded and punch-dance for 1.8k or so (with low end chance of 6k+ crits). e: i have just witnessed a man sell the bone mail i want to die Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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Jun 21, 2015 09:06
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Kyrosiris posted:e: i have just witnessed a man sell the bone mail He sold a ribbon too, apparently. I'm not watching the stream because sitting in IRC and getting the play-by-play of .dd moments, people's souls shattering, and Kyrosiris inventing ever more elaborate insults and swears is leagues better, and vastly better for my sanity.
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Jun 21, 2015 09:26
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"I need to remember to take off the chicken knife towards the end of the fight" -Dragondarch, 2015
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So basically what I'm getting from this is that Dragondarch is a DarkSydePhil sock puppet.
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Dareon posted:So basically what I'm getting from this is that Dragondarch is a DarkSydePhil sock puppet. I have no idea what that means, but if that person was so incompetent it is physically painful to behold, then yes.
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Jun 21, 2015 09:57
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dis astranagant posted:"I need to remember to take off the chicken knife towards the end of the fight" Wait, why does he need to remember to take off the chicken knife????
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Mirthless posted:Wait, why does he need to remember to take off the chicken knife???? So he can put it on his other two characters to fight (berserked) Omniscient, of course! But then he doesn't, because his ranger is in the back row so !rapidfire with his bow is the same amount of damage and can crit! :dd:
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"Dance is the best form of damage we got" ~DD 2015, someone with Rapid Fire
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Kyrosiris posted:I have no idea what that means, but if that person was so incompetent it is physically painful to behold, then yes. Judge for yourself.
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Jun 21, 2015 11:43
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 Well, he's not quite as vulgar, but yeah, he's about as incompetent.
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KataraniSword posted:the other 50% of the time will outright reduce your Dancer to a puddle of dead disco.  DISCO IS NOT DEAD! DISCO IS LIFE! Just finishing up my WHM/SMN/GEO/CHM practice run. Thank you based Square for making Dragon Fangs farmable in the rift.
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The donation goal has been reached! 
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Just signed up with a Random Natural Zerker run. Wait, how does random + natural work? ssmagus fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jun 21, 2015 |
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ssmagus posted:Just signed up with a Random Natural Zerker run. Are you sure you want to use natural? To me the actual interesting parts of fiesta combinations are the interactions between classes brought about by using cross class abilities. Sort of the point of ff5s class system really.
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JibberJabberwocky posted:Are you sure you want to use natural? To me the actual interesting parts of fiesta combinations are the interactions between classes brought about by using cross class abilities. Sort of the point of ff5s class system really. Nah, I'm fine with natural. If I do a second run, It will not be natural.
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Alright, after having my poo poo pushed in by Wing Raptor last night I tried again and he's a chump, I just have to be careful to heal before I go in and use a potion now and then. Other than that it's literally just "keep attacking to win". Now I'm definitely ready, can't wait for the Fiesta to start tomorrow.
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Jun 21, 2015 14:56
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Less than 14 hours to change your registration to chaos risk like Gilgamesh intended.
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Mikl posted:Alright, after having my poo poo pushed in by Wing Raptor last night I tried again and he's a chump, I just have to be careful to heal before I go in and use a potion now and then. Other than that it's literally just "keep attacking to win". How in the world does one have any kind of trouble against Wing Raptor? 
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Maleketh posted:How in the world does one have any kind of trouble against Wing Raptor? By going in with all characters under 10 hp and getting obliterated by its first move ever.
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Mikl posted:By going in with all characters under 10 hp How do you even reach the boss that badly beaten-up, though? You know there's a free full heal near the entrance to the shrine, right?
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Maleketh posted:How do you even reach the boss that badly beaten-up, though? You know there's a free full heal near the entrance to the shrine, right? First time playing FFV. Got up to Wing Raptor, then noticed the chest in the other stairway, backtracked to it, then backtracked to Wing Raptor, all the while fighting random enemies and not healing at all. Damage adds up.
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Wow I'm an idiot. I was thinking this entire time the run started at midnight eastern. Not in 30 minutes from now.
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Is there a recommended emulator for FFV (for a mac)? Looks like my old GBA is no longer in working condition.
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Ugato posted:Wow I'm an idiot. I was thinking this entire time the run started at midnight eastern. Not in 30 minutes from now.
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Mikl posted:By going in with all characters under 10 hp Are....are you dragondarch?
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Capsaicin posted:Are....are you dragondarch? Refer to this: Mikl posted:First time playing FFV. Got up to Wing Raptor, then noticed the chest in the other stairway, backtracked to it, then backtracked to Wing Raptor, all the while fighting random enemies and not healing at all. Damage adds up. It was a moment on my part. As soon as the battle started I thought "wait poo poo, I probably should have healed before I approached that thing" 
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