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mooyashi posted:hillary clinton is going to wind up competing with someone who would vote for the iraq war TODAY Hillary Clinton supported a military intervention in Syria just a year ago so its not as if she's learned her lesson.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:27
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Jun 22, 2015 01:28
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If you don't vote for hillary in the general and Bush wins and we get Iran War 2 Electric Boogaloo, are you culpable for the war
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I think it's really hosed up and wrong to kill people except in self defense. I'm no pacifist but I don't think murdering people for your own personal gain is good.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:32
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Rollofthedice posted:What's Bernie Sanders' record on the Iraq War post its' commencement? I mean with appropriations bills and w/e. He voted Aye on the 2004 bill for military appropriations as a rep. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll206.xml Voted aye on the 2007 bill for military appropriations as a senator. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00359
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Jun 22, 2015 01:32
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:If you don't vote for hillary in the general and Bush wins and we get Iran War 2 Electric Boogaloo, are you culpable for the war
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Jun 22, 2015 01:33
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If you voted for Hillary as New York senator in 2001, are you then 'culpable' for the Iraq War too? She wouldn't have been able to vote in support of the war if people hadn't voted for her in the first place. Where does 'culpability' begin and end? What role does one have to play regarding the start of the Iraq War to be considered responsible and not responsible? furthermore, Obdicut posted:He voted Aye on the 2004 bill for military appropriations as a rep. What does this make Bernie Sanders? Is he a bad person for helping extend the war? Where does this place him on the Moral Outrage-O-Meter?
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Eschers Basement posted:Jesus, people in this thread are incredibly pissy about candidates they're going to end up voting for in November anyways. ^This post is great. Nintendo Kid posted:Oh no, a lot of them are the sorts of people who always have an excuse for why they didn't bother to vote.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:34
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Rollofthedice posted:If you voted for Hillary as New York senator in 2001, are you then 'culpable' for the Iraq War too? She wouldn't have been able to vote in support of the war if people hadn't voted for her in the first place. You are personally responsible for the deaths of thousand of innocent Arabs.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:34
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Eschers Basement posted:Jesus, people in this thread are incredibly pissy about candidates they're going to end up voting for in November anyways. This is the primary thread; the thread where we talk about the primary elections.
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TEAYCHES posted:fishmech, you are willfully stupid and it's immoral to suggest that being a sitting US Senator and voting for the invasion of Iraq in 2003 is somehow not a thing or not an indicator of what a dishonest cynical candidate believes. She's not responsible for the war, and doing what her constituency elected her to do is not "dishonest" or "cynical". Obdicut posted:He voted Aye on the 2004 bill for military appropriations as a rep. But you see, Bernie isn't responsible because, well, you see he just isn't cynical, ok?
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Jun 22, 2015 01:39
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TEAYCHES posted:You are personally responsible for the deaths of thousand of innocent Arabs.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:39
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Nessus posted:What level of blame does Bernie have for voting to authorize funds? Pretty culpable I guess. I think it's still hosed up to murder people.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:41
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This is what Hillary Clinton supporters actually believe.
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Yeah, Hillary Clinton owns.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yeah, Hillary Clinton owns. You are a piece of poo poo.
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Hillary should market her own line of those nutcracker dolls. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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mooyashi posted:hillary clinton is going to wind up competing with someone who would vote for the iraq war TODAY It was called the Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against the Government of Syria to Respond to Use of Chemical Weapons and Hillary supported it.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:45
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Whoever becomes President is going to end killing a bunch of Muslim civilians anyways, so why not vote for someone that has experience?
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Nessus posted:What level of blame does Bernie have for voting to authorize funds? It's almost like the concept of 'blame' or 'culpability' as discussed in this thread is nothing but a empty, undefined and hyperbolic bogeyman of a term used to equate politicians personally disliked to murderers! TEAYCHES posted:Pretty culpable I guess. I think it's still hosed up to murder people.  Are you going to vote, TEAYCHES? If you are, will the knowledge that Bernie Sanders consciously voted to extend the Iraq War stop you from voting for him?
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TEAYCHES posted:You are a piece of poo poo. Ok, guy who goes around calling people human being retards because they dared to say you have no rational basis for your hatred.  Hillary Clinton owns, and, is good.
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Rollofthedice posted:It's almost like the concept of 'blame' or 'culpability' as discussed in this thread is nothing but a empty, undefined and hyperbolic bogeyman of a term used to equate politicians personally disliked to murderers! I am extremely interested in the answer to this question.
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GalacticAcid posted:Rick Santorum and Deray McKesson in the same pew in Charleston. Rick Santorum is a lot of things, but never boring.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Hillary Clinton supported a military intervention in Syria just a year ago so its not as if she's learned her lesson.  Solid Poopsnake posted:I am extremely interested in the answer to this question.
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New WSJ/NBC poll, covering June 14-18. Asked for overall favorability among Republican primary voters. http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/jeb-bushs-standing-improves-among-republicans-n379126 quote:Marco Rubio: 74 percent-15 percent (+59) A lot of news articles are running with headlines along the lines of "FIORINA SURGE", even though she's still near the bottom of the pack. I'm just surprised by how many people like Huckabee.
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Solid Poopsnake posted:I am extremely interested in the answer to this question. As am I, knowing now that Bernie has blood on his hands. Guess I'll be voting for a war criminal in the primary, no matter what. Open the blood gates 
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Jun 22, 2015 02:09
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You know who didn't vote for Iraq? Martin O'Malley!
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What's that? Is that the start of O'Mentum happening here on these forums????????? ::watches poll results rise from 5% to 7%:: It is! It is! He's taking off!!!!
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Nintendo Kid posted:Hillary Clinton owns, and, is good. lmao
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Yeah I love war crimes too.
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TEAYCHES posted:Yeah I love war crimes too. Rollofthedice posted:Are you going to vote, TEAYCHES? If you are, will the knowledge that Bernie Sanders consciously voted to extend the Iraq War stop you from voting for him?
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Yeah I am against that.
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TEAYCHES posted:Yeah I love war crimes too. SA forums user TEAYCHES proves that The One Weird Trick to making liberals suddenly not give a poo poo about the Iraq War. previously thought impossible, is to turn it into a bizarre personal vendetta. Also: Solid Poopsnake posted:I am extremely interested in the answer to this question.
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Let's be clear though, agreeing to a budget in the midst of the Iraq War is not the same thing as voting for it in the first place.
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Please explain how it is different.
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Nessus posted:The penalty for this and all other such matters is death by guillotine, unto the seventh generation But is that enough to prevent tyrannic political dynasties like the filthy Roosevelts? William Bear posted:I'm just surprised by how many people like Huckabee. The Huckster is pretty personable and seems like he'd be a real nice guy to back away from in horror after he introduces you to one of his friends who have had their monstrous sins cleansed by the blood of the lamb.
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TEAYCHES posted:Yeah I love war crimes too. Well clearly you do since you support Iraq War Enabler Bernie. TEAYCHES posted:Let's be clear though, agreeing to a budget in the midst of the Iraq War is not the same thing as voting for it in the first place. Ok, Nixon.
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TEAYCHES posted:Let's be clear though, agreeing to a budget in the midst of the Iraq War is not the same thing as voting for it in the first place. It wasn't a budget, it was military appropriations, money specifically to fund the military activities of the United States, that Sanders voted in favor of.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:If you don't vote for hillary in the general and Bush wins and we get Iran War 2 Electric Boogaloo, are you culpable for the war You're responsible for the vote you cast. That vote doesn't make you responsible for who ultimately gets elected, it gives you no control over their actions, it does not imbue you with responsibility for them one way or another. Voting or not voting for Obama In 08/12 doesn't somehow saddle you with a guilt-share for drone strikes or eroded civil liberties. Jeb getting elected in 2016 and dragging the US into war won't be a sin on the shoulders of people who didn't vote against him, or who didn't vote against him "correctly", and the cast votes one way or another won't give anyone the moral high ground or make any opinions they develop as a result of this theoretical warmaking more or less valid. It's a vote. You vote for what you agree with, or you vote for whatever you believe will get what you want done in what you believe is a more plausible bur indirect route, or you don't vote at all because there's nothing on the table you feel like supporting. If you vote for someone with a bad policy because of that bad policy and that bad policy bears bad fruit following their election, fine, you're culpable. If you didn't vote for them then there's no relation. Getting angry about not-votes (in any sense) after the fact is deciding that there was exactly one other world that might've been, and you know exactly what it would've been like, and you know exactly how we could've gotten there, and you know that it was better than what we got in exactly these ways. It's not a sane position. Getting angry about non-votes before the ballots are cast, that just makes you insecure. Cephalocidal fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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