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paranoid randroid posted:the thing that makes aranea a particularly devious character is that she can do the serket "im hurting you for you own good" thing in a way thats far more subtle than anything vriska could ever hope to do. if you go back and read her first conversation with terezi, note that she essentially removes any methods terezi has to cope with her having to kill her friend. rationalization and acceptance of the deed's inevitability "have no healing power", and she tells terezi she'll essentially just have to deal with her actions. you killed her because that was one of the only things that you yourself, as opposed to a hypothetical version of you capable of making any and all decisions, would have done. so essentially you killed her because you're the kind of person who stabs friends to death! oh and by the way, you technically killed her *twice*, lol. This seems backwards to me. Aranea's advice to Terezi strikes me as having been pretty good, and I feel like Aranea took her role as a Sylph pretty seriously and would never have done anything to knowingly twist that role. Her whole spiel as a villain was based around "healing" time as its immortal god-queen.
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Yeah I thought it was kind of evident the first time it happened when they went to blow up the green sun and ended up creating it. The paradoxes just keep happening.
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I think, with Aranea, there have been little hints peppering her dialogue - Like, when talking with Terezi, she mentions how she always wanted to be a great hero-adventurer but was just a bit of a lonely bookworm, and until Sgrub, never thought she would get that chance. Even in Sgrub, there was no positive outcome for them. I've always viewed her final breaking point as when she and Vriska hug, when Meenah and Vriska are mocking her behind her back. As an empath, she'd be very aware of it; given that Meenah was her only real friend, it probably felt like a bit of a betrayal. Honestly, it strikes me as similar to Eridan's character arc, but with much less self-pity, and burning the world instead of bowing to the villain.
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Man, a John/Roxy marriage would be some kind of cosmic event of niceness, pulling even the bitterest into its rosy embrace. I literally teared up a bit.
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Oh my gog the final update of this series will be Roxy giving Kanaya the Matriorb. That makes sense.
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I THINK the little images in the flash that show what everyone is up to are updating each time, so keep an eye on it peeps.
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Prison Warden posted:I THINK the little images in the flash that show what everyone is up to are updating each time, so keep an eye on it peeps. I was just coming here to say that! Those images are moving forward in time. Yesterday the Dave/Dirk post-conversation had the two of them sitting on opposite sides of the lilypad. Today Dave’s lying on his back. Yesterday the everybody-on-the-lilypad conversation just showed that Roxy and Calliope had moved to the side. Today there are speech bubbles showing what the two groups are talking about! e: Here's yesterday's chooser page for comparison. ee: And now, with screenshots.   
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Prison Warden posted:I THINK the little images in the flash that show what everyone is up to are updating each time, so keep an eye on it peeps. Thanks for the heads up, forgot to check them 
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Jun 22, 2015 01:15
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Hahaha, Vriskafight. Tomorrow's one is gonna be gud.
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Wow, getting super metaphysical up in here. If Callie can manage to inspire the creation of the matriorb, it would be a hell of a start on her quest to be useful. I had predicted that (Vriska) would be pretty chill about handing the treasure over and Meenah would want to keep it, so I got that one backwards. Curious to see how that works out.
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Calliope is so boring she makes otherwise interesting characters boring just by being around them. Which, from a meta-story point of view makes her the most dangerous character in Homestuck, since her presence eliminates the ability to enjoy the story. Callie confirmed for final villain.
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Calliope is so boring she makes otherwise interesting characters boring just by being around them. Her conversation with Caliborn wasn't boring. Clearly what this scene needs is more Caliborn. When is Lord English showing up?
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No joke, I want more Lord English dialogues. I'd love to read how that fucker talks knowing the twisted poo poo that's rumbling in his head.
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Rand Brittain posted:This seems backwards to me. Aranea's advice to Terezi strikes me as having been pretty good, and I feel like Aranea took her role as a Sylph pretty seriously and would never have done anything to knowingly twist that role. Her whole spiel as a villain was based around "healing" time as its immortal god-queen. like i said, aranea was probably trying to be helpful. but her advice and her healing terezis vision materially contributed to terezis mental collapse. her other examples of "healing", forcefully curing jake of his mental problems and her intention to damage the alpha timeline to the point that it would need her around as its benevolent overlord, point to her being at best really bad at her role. we dont get to see how vriska helped terezi deal with the fact that terezi almost stabbed her, but it seems to have been miles and miles better than "well i guess you just have to deal with the fact that youre the kind of person who kills her friends to save her own life". araneas help damages people in far more insidious ways than vriskas bullying. e. another thing about aranea that makes her far more dangerous than vriska is that vriska at least shows some capacity for remorse. killing tavros rattles her deeply, for example. aranea, on the other hand, drops a house on jade without missing a stride. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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paranoid randroid posted:e. another thing about aranea that makes her far more dangerous than vriska is that vriska at least shows some capacity for remorse. killing tavros rattles her deeply, for example. aranea, on the other hand, drops a house on jade without missing a stride. Tbf, Vriska knew Tavros and tried to improve him, while Aranea didn't know Jade from a hole in the Void.
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Aranea did also say she wouldn't have resorted to the methods she did to contain Jade if there was no other choice. Also, does this mean that everyone from GAME OVER is a Dreambubble ghost now? We know being retcon'd back to life doesn't remove ghosts (Vriska)
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I liked that conversation. It may not have done much to move plots or character arcs along, but it reinforces Calliope and Roxy's friendship while letting them work out how they feel about all the alternate self issues they're working through. In particular, what Roxy said about both Calliopes being "relevant" feels like it might apply to the Roxy of this session that died, since she might still be coming to grips with having replaced her while leaving dead versions of her own friends behind. They're also both just so nice and happy that this little ray of sunshine is welcome after all the conflict it took to get here. Calliope really is a muse. Her mere presence releases the fully-realized version of herself to help with the fight against Lord English, her friendship inspires Roxy and the others to keep going and even her aspect means she can passively inspire their powers to work better, particularly when they interact with space.
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This conversation was Hussie directly addressing the audience to say "yes, A6A6I1 thru A6A6I4 DO matter, so nyah".
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Plom Bar posted:This conversation was Hussie directly addressing the audience to say "yes, A6A6I1 thru A6A6I4 DO matter, so nyah". its good we are establishing this as %100 CAnon Fact because, get this, theyre good
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Jun 22, 2015 07:30
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Alternatively everything matters as little as everything else Nothing has meaning People don't have arcs
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Kelp Plankton posted:Alternatively everything matters as little as everything else Dehumanize yourself and face to Vriska
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I'm just tickled to see John and Jane apparently discussing Trollsonas in front of Terezi. She's gonna be waxing so black for that dork if he thinks they sound like a fun idea. 
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I wonder if we'll ever see Homestuck Volume 10.
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So are we gonna get the whole Vriska vs (Vriska) fight in the select screen? That would be fun, but I'd love to actually see that in an upd8.
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I'd like the big Kids Vs. Caliborn fight in something other than Claymation, but fat chance.  I appreciate that three of the Kids (John, Roxy, Dave) have decided that doing the right thing flows from becoming a decent person, rather than from being a capital-H Hero. It's not that being a decent person = "anything I do is ipso facto good", but rather that becoming decent is the only thing you can control. Everything else is improv.
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Oh, I'm sure we'll see it in some form. The claymation version set up an expectation. As far as Caliborn and Lord English are concerned, the claymation version illustrates what is "supposed" to happen. What we want, then, is any deviation from that script. Due to the nature of Caliborn's power as a Lord of Time it will still look like what Caliborn saw, but ideally the things we see between then and now + seeing it from a more detailed, less biased perspective will recontextualize it into something more positive.
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The benefit of doing it in claymation first is that Caliborn can narrate it and explain what's going on. Now, if it reappears as an awesomely animated flash, people will already know what's going to happen in it and it can be parsed. (unlike, say, the green sun cascade thing that so many people missed that they had to explain it after the fact.)
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the real problem w/ cascade was being 18 minutes long
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paranoid randroid posted:the real problem w/ cascade was not lasting long enough. FTFY
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paranoid randroid posted:the real problem w/ cascade was not being the end of homestuck
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paranoid randroid posted:the real problem w/ cascade was being 18 minutes long How can it be possible that all these posts are correct?
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life_source posted:How can it be possible that all these posts are correct? That's the magic of paradox space.
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life_source posted:How can it be possible that all these posts are correct? LET'S SAY. TIME TRAVEL.
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are the serkets doing a crab dance
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Oh, so the Roxy thing is probably going to be her summoning the Matriorb.
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So, Linkara is reviewing Homestuck: http://channelawesome.com/at4w-homestuck-act-1/ It's actually closer to a lukewarm liveblog than a review. Is this normal with him? paradoxGentleman fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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paradoxGentleman posted:are the serkets doing a crab dance 
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paradoxGentleman posted:So, Linkara is reviewing Homestuck: 18 minutes. So.. what, first 5% of it?
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paradoxGentleman posted:So, Linkara is reviewing Homestuck: oh my god he's a living stereotype
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