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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:EU4 DLC is on steam sale. I haven't been keeping up with it; are any of the recent expansions particularly worth it/not? I have Conquest of Paradise & Wealth of Nations already. they're all good (the only bad main EU4 dlc really is conquest of paradise) but res publica is just for republics and poland, el dorado is just for settled americans and colonial countries (but it does have the custom nation designer), but both art of war and common sense are more general. for that price you ought to at least get art of war.
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:EU4 DLC is on steam sale. I haven't been keeping up with it; are any of the recent expansions particularly worth it/not? I have Conquest of Paradise & Wealth of Nations already. The only 'skippable' DLCs IMO are Res Publica and El Dorado, unless you want to play a New World country, then you want El Dorado. That said, you should probably just get all of them. But especially get Art of war and Common Sense.
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Jun 21, 2015 16:29
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:When are you not playing at full speed? Even during wartime a lot can be managed at full or almost-full speed. The only time it made sense to go slower was when things were going badly or you were launching a massive offensive. Even then, it made much more use to just pause the game as needed and carry on at full speed, pausing when you need to again. I would be shocked if it wasn't something one could toggle off, because while it does look neat for a little bit it already began to annoy me half-way through the preview video. People who analyze the individual progress and results of every single battle like a proper Hitler.
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Jun 21, 2015 17:21
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Larry Parrish posted:The only 'skippable' DLCs IMO are Res Publica and El Dorado, unless you want to play a New World country, then you want El Dorado. That said, you should probably just get all of them. But especially get Art of war and Common Sense. I don't know how other posters feel, but I would actually mainly recommend El Dorado for the Nation Designer. It's really really sweet and adds a whole new dimension to the game. Also auto-exploration, that's loving rad too.
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Jun 21, 2015 19:56
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Yeah the nation designer is a lot of fun, totally worth the expansion on its own.
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Jun 21, 2015 20:12
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:When are you not playing at full speed? Even during wartime a lot can be managed at full or almost-full speed. The only time it made sense to go slower was when things were going badly or you were launching a massive offensive. Even then, it made much more use to just pause the game as needed and carry on at full speed, pausing when you need to again. I would be shocked if it wasn't something one could toggle off, because while it does look neat for a little bit it already began to annoy me half-way through the preview video. I haven't played a lot of HoI3, but in DH max speed during wartime is just suicidal. Sure you could pause every milisecond to find out how battles are going but I much prefer putting it on fast or normal so I can watch if a battle is going my way without it immediately being over.
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Jun 21, 2015 20:41
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uPen posted:Yeah the nation designer is a lot of fun, totally worth the expansion on its own. My biggest complaint is that I can't stop making Shia Dutch Republics.
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Jun 21, 2015 21:57
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:When are you not playing at full speed? Even during wartime a lot can be managed at full or almost-full speed. The only time it made sense to go slower was when things were going badly or you were launching a massive offensive. Even then, it made much more use to just pause the game as needed and carry on at full speed, pausing when you need to again. I would be shocked if it wasn't something one could toggle off, because while it does look neat for a little bit it already began to annoy me half-way through the preview video. after a lot of time playing HoI2 and EU4 i can assure you that playing above 3 speed is impossible. speed 2 is usually the best because it gives you plenty of time to properly adress any situation. Going above is just increasing the chances of people asking for pauses and a paused game runs slower than speed4.
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Jun 21, 2015 22:05
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GrossMurpel posted:I haven't played a lot of HoI3, but in DH max speed during wartime is just suicidal. Sure you could pause every milisecond to find out how battles are going but I much prefer putting it on fast or normal so I can watch if a battle is going my way without it immediately being over. Yeah, I far preferred running at middling speed in wartime with a lot of pause events set up. Max speed is fine in peacetime.
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Koramei posted:they're all good (the only bad main EU4 dlc really is conquest of paradise) but res publica is just for republics and poland, el dorado is just for settled americans and colonial countries (but it does have the custom nation designer), but both art of war and common sense are more general. Larry Parrish posted:The only 'skippable' DLCs IMO are Res Publica and El Dorado, unless you want to play a New World country, then you want El Dorado. That said, you should probably just get all of them. But especially get Art of war and Common Sense. Thanks, friends! I'll wait on Common Sense until it's on sale, but I picked up Art of War and Res Publica.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:24
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Panzeh posted:As I said before, I think a 1937 start would significantly help the game. B-b-b-but...my buildup!
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Jun 22, 2015 03:31
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:B-b-b-but...my buildup! Protip: the '39 start is and always has been the best HoI startdate. e: Unless you're doing something really silly like playing as Poland.
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Jun 22, 2015 03:38
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Podcat/etc, From what I can tell, video game players really like dogs in games. I think you should put dogs in HoI4. Just a suggestion, for free. Don't even have to credit me.
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Jun 22, 2015 04:05
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BTW I finally watched some of the alpha-play videos tonight. Everything looks/sounds good so far  Confirmation that you could set up your own alliances and the inclusion of a post-war treaty/spoils system both make me very happy.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Podcat/etc, DevDiary 3 quote:One of our main goals with HoI 4 has been to simplify things to appeal to a more mainstream audience without sacrificing historical appeal. Initially this seemed impossible until the recent release of Call of Duty: Ghosts. The key to the success of Ghosts was the inclusion of Riley, a dog companion and playable character. Immediately the solution was clear: Popular games have dogs, and as everyone knows Hitler was famously a dog-lover, so the National Dog concept was born.
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GaussianCopula posted:DevDiary 3 Always one step ahead of me!
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Arumba posted his HoI4 video too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySzBRY4Rd7E
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Jun 24, 2015 12:14
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Darkrenown posted:Arumba posted his HoI4 video too: It's so beautiful. Like, EU4 was probably the first PDS game to look nice (as opposed to functional but boring), but this is just gorgeous. e: I might end up pre-ordering this. Which would be ironic because the last Paradox game I pre-ordered and paid full price for was also called Hearts of Iron. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Jun 24, 2015 12:32
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Alchenar posted:e: I might end up pre-ordering this. Which would be ironic because the last Paradox game I pre-ordered and paid full price for was also called Hearts of Iron. You'll only cancel the pre-order twelve times everytime Paradox takes away your ability to feel human.
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Jun 24, 2015 12:44
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Alchenar posted:e: I might end up pre-ordering this. Which would be ironic because the last Paradox game I pre-ordered and paid full price for was also called Hearts of Iron.
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Jun 24, 2015 12:45
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Alchenar posted:I might end up pre-ordering this. I thought you already cancelled? 
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Jun 24, 2015 12:48
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Darkrenown posted:Arumba posted his HoI4 video too: I like how a bunch of these reviews are really hung up on the ~10 year play window.
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Jun 24, 2015 12:59
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:I like how a bunch of these reviews are really hung up on the ~10 year play window. It's almost like people haven't heard of the first 3 titles in the series. With their ~10 year play windows. Though to be fair, expansions for those games brought the play windows a bit later, with Darkest Hour taking it up to like 1968. But there's no reason why a World War 2 game should go past like 1948.
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Jun 24, 2015 13:05
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Drone posted:It's almost like people haven't heard of the first 3 titles in the series. With their ~10 year play windows. Yeah completely agree. I'd probably guess I'm one of the more conservative single-player players, and I'm usually wrapped up in all I can/should do by 46-47. I could see a little need in going to '50 or beyond maybe. Honestly with the flexibility of the national focus layouts, higher chances to change governments, and non-historical alliances 4 looks to have way more replay-ability than any prior title out of the box edit- also Arumba saying something like "as England maybe one time you focus on having a navy, another time an air force, another time you go with marines..." It's like "uhh, I'm pretty sure England should be able to do all of those?" Fidel Cuckstro fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:edit- also Arumba saying something like "as England maybe one time you focus on having a navy, another time an air force, another time you go with marines..." It's like "uhh, I'm pretty sure England should be able to do all of those?" Yeah, any of the Major Powers except Italy should be able to take a more generalist approach to the game. I guess one of my major takeaways from the Alpha press event is that none of the Youtube "celebrity" Paradox-players have no real understanding of Hearts of Iron and seem to just have made their name doing CK2 and EU4. Which is fine and all, but it really can't be overstated how fundamentally different the Hearts of Iron title is to the rest of PDS's mapgames.
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Drone posted:Yeah, any of the Major Powers except Italy should be able to take a more generalist approach to the game. I've never watched an LP of EU4 or CK2, but I watched a few HoI ones and I could imagine it'd look unappealing to other youtubers- nobody seems to ever edit down and summarize things (tech plans, build plans, battle plans), and for all the WW2 "experts" on HoI boards the LP'ers seem perpetually lost on the actual history of WW2.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Making rash decisions based on appearances is very much in the spirit of Hitler. Steam refunds, no risk!  Drone posted:Yeah, any of the Major Powers except Italy should be able to take a more generalist approach to the game. Japan's likely a bit limited too. But yeah, it's been interesting seeing what people have thought about the game, even if the lack of HoI/WWII knowledge was somewhat surprising. Still, it helps knowing what's not obvious like we might assume, stuff like other nations not being keen on Germany suddenly starting new wars in 1936 + Germany not starting out as the strongest power seems to have been nasty surprises to many.
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Darkrenown posted:Japan's likely a bit limited too. I think for every other HOI game the multiplayer advice has been (aside from 'don't, desyncs will make you want to kill yourself') to start in 1939 because 1936 just gives everyone time to screw things up as everyone frantically builds/researches for the war they know will come.
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Alchenar posted:I think for every other HOI game the multiplayer advice has been (aside from 'don't, desyncs will make you want to kill yourself') to start in 1939 because 1936 just gives everyone time to screw things up as everyone frantically builds/researches for the war they know will come. Yeah, 36 isnt a very good start if you want a historical game unless you use house rules. 39 is much better for that. It wasnt done for the MP event though (its getting there now though, so we will start testing it in MP soon).
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It really is important to have a 36 start (contra to what someone else was saying here), though, so that France and Italy SP games are viable. Also crazier starts like Mexico or Austria or whatever.
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All of these (p)reviewers are spending a ton of time criticizing the game for what it isn't rather than what it is. I don't want to say their opinions are wrong but they are sort of coming at it the wrong way. I want to know how HOI4 stacks up as a WW2 grand strategy game not as whatever concept these reviewers think the game should be. The RPS guy saying he wished for 'more room for experimentation' and lamenting how 'punishing' it felt to go outside the box as Germany came off like an idiot. This isn't EU4 or CK2, you only get one shot at World War 2. Please do not listen to these criticisms--the complaints about the UI and balancing things should be addressed though.
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Yeah but.. you want to know that; the vast majority of people watching those channels and reading those previews are instead familiar with Paradox games in the context of EU4 and CK2. It makes sense they'd focus on the differences. I think, anyway; is there a graph anywhere of the userbase for Paradox games over the past 3 or 4 years? how much did it grow post-CK2/EU4, are the new players a totally overwhelming majority or do old users still make up a good chunk?
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Yeah a lot of those issues came across as a total failure of understanding the game's scope. Also, Arumba going on about how niche the setting is sounded pretty weird to me. Wasn't HoI the hottest selling series before the runaway success of CKII?
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Jun 24, 2015 21:37
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second world war wargames are a niche product compared to sixteenth-century political simulators
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I might be talking a little out my rear end here, but I think it wouldn't be too difficult to make the EU4 sandbox fans happy by giving them some scenario even more open than historical 1936. It would most likely be just a mod, but imagine a scenario where all the major powers are more or less balanced, alliances can form in any which way, and maybe the wars aren't always so total. What I'm saying is, is that I can't wait for HoI 4 Kaiserreich, and I hope that modding is easy enough that we'll see lots of things like that.
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Darkrenown posted:Steam refunds, no risk!
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Sharzak posted:you only get one shot at World War 2. Hitler puking up mom's spaghetti.
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Takanago posted:I might be talking a little out my rear end here, but I think it wouldn't be too difficult to make the EU4 sandbox fans happy by giving them some scenario even more open than historical 1936. It would most likely be just a mod, but imagine a scenario where all the major powers are more or less balanced, alliances can form in any which way, and maybe the wars aren't always so total.
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Koesj posted:Yeah a lot of those issues came across as a total failure of understanding the game's scope. Also, Arumba going on about how niche the setting is sounded pretty weird to me. Wasn't HoI the hottest selling series before the runaway success of CKII? Yeah, but I'm pretty sure "hottest selling series" before CK2 means sold over 10.000 copies 
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