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John Connor as Terminator is loving dumb. There, I said it. It's like Jurassic World, Connor-nator is the new hybrid T Rex.  Would have been way cooler if they picked up where TSCC left off with an unknown Connor in the future.
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Stugazi posted:Would have been way cooler if they picked up where TSCC left off with an unknown Connor in the future. Basing a $200 million movie on the "what the gently caress" ending of a niche show that barely anyone watched, yep, that's the ticket to box office success.
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Jun 24, 2015 23:06
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Timby posted:Basing a $200 million movie on the "what the gently caress" ending of a niche show that barely anyone watched, yep, that's the ticket to box office success. He said it would be "cooler", not "financially prudent".
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Jun 24, 2015 23:12
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Stugazi posted:John Connor as Terminator is loving dumb. There, I said it. The worst part is they showed in it in trailers on tv and its not a big surprise again.
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Jun 24, 2015 23:30
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Neo Rasa posted:I was on hand for a half hour Ubisoft keynote once where the ENTIRE HALF HOUR was just James Cameron and Freddie Lounds talking without pause about how visionary and outstanding Ubisoft's Avatar: The Game as going to be. It wasn't like, visionary and outstanding, but it was a pretty solid game iirc?
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Jun 24, 2015 23:37
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Can't convince anyone I know to see this movie when it comes out. Compare that to the instant yes replies I got when I asked these same people to see Mad Max: Fury Road and Jurassic World. That's how in the dirt the Terminator franchise is with my circle of friends. Even if it's better than the last two installments it's a hard sell.
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Jun 25, 2015 00:50
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I'm gonna see it, even if it's bad. It's Terminator, even if its poo poo its gonna be an Arnold Movie as a robot doing poo poo with time travel.Timby posted:Basing a $200 million movie on the "what the gently caress" ending of a niche show that barely anyone watched, yep, that's the ticket to box office success. Also See: Serenity.
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Jun 25, 2015 01:55
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LORD OF BUTT posted:It wasn't like, visionary and outstanding, but it was a pretty solid game iirc? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKCnx0loyM
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The thread's kinda fallen into a rut of "everyone says it looks bad, but Cameron says it is good, but critics say it looks bad, but someone thinks it looks good...." As usual, the actual question is 'good at what?' It's very obvious from the ads that this film is about a very basic reversal of perspective. Instead of Sarah Connor being pulled out of her humdrum life in 1984 and into the bizarre future-war, Kyle Reese is pulled out of his humdrum life in 202X and into a bizarro 1984. In other words, Genesis is starting from Salvation's point that we all know the stakes, we're living in the end times, and insane drone warfare is the new normal. This latest film centers on one nerd trying to escape from the reality into the nostalgic past - trying to 'recapture his childhood' - and finding that it's not what he remembered. The film can only really be judged good or bad along those lines - not really in direct comparison to the original.
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Jun 25, 2015 02:29
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There is not a single movie Arnold hasn't starred in and been the best thing of. See Batman and Robin.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The point is that predestination and grandfather paradoxes are both wrong - they are both equally nonsense and don't work logically. Yet people always seem ok with predestination paradox...I think because it's subtler. At first glance, everything works. Predestination paradoxes are actually perfectly logical and one of the few ways time travel could "actually" function (although more in the movie that recently came out Interstellar way in which something is used to contact things in the past, as opposed to actually transporting someone to the past. The only reason people have problems with them is because most people are taught to think of time as linear early on, which factors into the cause ---> effect way of which we regularly think. It's hard for people to think in 4 dimensions, which is why Picard had a whole two parter where he was trying to figure it out. Well, Bill and Ted figured it out fairly quickly...
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Jun 25, 2015 03:01
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Burkion posted:There is not a single movie Arnold hasn't starred in and been the best thing of. The Rundown. Unless you just count that as a cameo.
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Darko posted:The Rundown. Unless you just count that as a cameo. Wasn't he in like, 9 seconds of that movie? The caveat of the Arnold Rule is that he must be in at least 15 minutes of the movie to make it worthwhile. It's why Salvation is almost watchable, Arnold is present for almost 8 minutes before just becoming a T-800. Even if it was weird silly CGI Arnold.
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Jun 25, 2015 03:07
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If you guys don't love Kindergarden Cop I will disown you. 
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Doesn't he have like six minutes of screen time T1?
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Jun 25, 2015 03:13
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Neo Rasa posted:Doesn't he have like six minutes of screen time T1? ...he's the third main character of that movie. The only people with more screen time are the actual heroes. Even ignoring that silliness, this Iron Clad Arnold Rule (for Myself and no one else unless they agree) only really applies to what would otherwise be not so great movies. So Kindergarden Cop and Terminator are exempt because they'd be fine movies, regardless of Arnold. He just makes them amazing.
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T1 was so bleak because everybody knows that the war will happen, most of humanity will be wiped out, but eventually - through the strength and leadership of one man - we will persevere. That's the way that things are SUPPOSED to happen. Remember that the end of T1 was "a storm is coming". If you remember back to the first time you saw T1, it didn't leave you feeling great. T2 introduced "no fate", and the concept that maybe it's possible to stop all of this from even happening in the first place. T3 then turned T2 on its ear with "you only postponed it, judgment day is inevitable". But if you think about it, T3 just went back to the "closed loop" timeline of T1 where everything that has happened will happen. At least according to the trailers, this one looks to start in the victory of the future war, along with some present-day"no fate" thrown in once the time-travel fuckery starts up. So I think it still could be an interesting concept if done right...
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Sasquatch! posted:T1 was so bleak because everybody knows that the war will happen, most of humanity will be wiped out, but eventually - through the strength and leadership of one man - we will persevere. That's the way that things are SUPPOSED to happen. Remember that the end of T1 was "a storm is coming". If you remember back to the first time you saw T1, it didn't leave you feeling great. So if we've got a myriad number of alternate, branching timelines all over the place, what we see in T3 is just one possible future following from the events of T2, but it's not the only one. TSCC shows us another possibility, wholly separate from T3. TSCC brings up another interesting idea that if there's multiple timelines and you go back in time, how do you control which timeline's past you end up in? Derek and his girlfriend end up coming from completely different future timelines, and somehow end up together in the same past. Genisys seems to be toying with that idea as well - Kyle Reese is ostensibly sent back in time from the same "future" he came from in the original 'The Terminator', but somehow he's ended up in a timeline where things are radically different from what he expected to find.
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Here's a thought, bare with me. What if Skynet did the most logical thing and sent back it's most advanced terminator, the T-X to kill John Connor first. From Skynet's perspective nothing changes because the T-X fails and the events of T3 take place leading to the same end. It then sends back the T-1000 to try and get him while he's still young, a seemingly easier mission. The T-1000 fails too and from Skynet's perspective nothing changes. It then sends back the T-101 for what should be the easiest mission of all to kill Sarah. It doesn't realise that sending the T-101 actually ensures that the T-1000 and the T-X it sent first would fail and through a series of connected events eventually lead to it's own destruction. Skynet doesn't realise that you can't change the past, everything it did just caused the series of events that it was trying to prevent.  Salvation and Genisys seem to gently caress with that though.
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Xenomrph posted:TSCC brings up another interesting idea that if there's multiple timelines and you go back in time, how do you control which timeline's past you end up in? Derek and his girlfriend end up coming from completely different future timelines, and somehow end up together in the same past. I think it was more - one future, everything is constantly changing due to actions in the past. Derek and Jesse's future had changed - the future Derek remembered no longer existed from the time he was sent back in time.
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Milky Moor posted:I think it was more - one future, everything is constantly changing due to actions in the past. Derek and Jesse's future had changed - the future Derek remembered no longer existed from the time he was sent back in time. Either that or branching futures, so multiple different futures have the same 'past' to travel back to. Like the reverse of a branching tree.
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If that were true then why aren't there an infinite number of Terminators filing in from each possible alternate future?
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MonoAus posted:If that were true then why aren't there an infinite number of Terminators filing in from each possible alternate future? Because Reasons. It's not like any portrayal of time trvale in the series other than T1s actually makes sense.
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There is another way to look at Terminator 1, of course. Namely that Sarah was going to have John Conner with or without Kyle. She likely would have had a boy and likely would have named him John, regardless of the future. Would it have been the SAME John Conner? Does that actually matter? Any John Conner is the right John Conner if raised in roughly the same way. So the Time Travel started screwing things up day 1 in that regard.
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WarLocke posted:Because Reasons. The truth. e: The 'no fate' thing of T2 and other movies is specifically what makes them not make sense though. The fact that T1 was self-fulfilling meant that there was no paradox. MonoAus fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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MonoAus posted:If that were true then why aren't there an infinite number of Terminators filing in from each possible alternate future? Or a congo line of Kyle Reeses waiting for a turn at Sarah?
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MonoAus posted:If that were true then why aren't there an infinite number of Terminators filing in from each possible alternate future? There are though, and some of their orders conflict.
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Burkion posted:There is another way to look at Terminator 1, of course. I could have sworn one of very earliest Dark Horse Terminator comics (that might have been from BEFORE T2 came out) ended with Sarah Connor giving birth to a girl instead of a boy and causes some sort of crazy time reset. JDay still happens, apparently, but Jane Connor ends the war sooner and Skynet never has a chance to send a Terminator (nor the Resistance, Kyle) back in time in the first place. I know, "Comics Ain't Canon", though.
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Milky Moor posted:There are though, and some of their orders conflict. Do you mean in TSCC? I don't remember that many being sent back but it has been a long time since I've seen it. Certainly not an infinite amount.
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My idea of the Terminator timeline is that the resistance sends back a guy to plant the seed literally and metaphorically of a John Connor who will be aware of Judgement day before it begins to better lead the resistance than whoever is actually leading it in that timeline he is sent back from.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I could have sworn one of very earliest Dark Horse Terminator comics (that might have been from BEFORE T2 came out) ended with Sarah Connor giving birth to a girl instead of a boy and causes some sort of crazy time reset. JDay still happens, apparently, but Jane Connor ends the war sooner and Skynet never has a chance to send a Terminator (nor the Resistance, Kyle) back in time in the first place.
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NOW Comics Terminator is going to be a hell of a trip, ain't it... Looking back on a bit of those some time ago, though, it almost seemed like some of the Now Terminator comics felt almost like they were going for a Saturday Morning Cartoon version of the Terminator mythos.
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Yeah the cruel joke at the heart of the Terminator franchise is that the only thing that makes John Connor special is that he's a normal chump who is lucky enough to be given cheat cards.
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Laserface posted:My idea of the Terminator timeline is that the resistance sends back a guy to plant the seed literally and metaphorically of a John Connor who will be aware of Judgement day before it begins to better lead the resistance than whoever is actually leading it in that timeline he is sent back from. But the guy that is actually leading the resistance already helped them win the war? Side question, are there any stories about how the rest of the world was after Judgment Day? I guess for convenience's sake it's all a big crater and/or nuclear wasteland, but it would be kind of funny if all this future war-hubbub only affected North America with the rest of the world just kind of carrying on.
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Grendels Dad posted:But the guy that is actually leading the resistance already helped them win the war? The script for terminator 2 says the entire northern hemisphere was wiped of humanity and that the majority of the soldiers in the resistance are the surviving third worlders.
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Nice, thanks. I see Skynet doesn't screw around where none-time travel things are concerned.
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Grendels Dad posted:But the guy that is actually leading the resistance already helped them win the war?
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MonoAus posted:Do you mean in TSCC? I don't remember that many being sent back but it has been a long time since I've seen it. Certainly not an infinite amount. TSCC hinted at there being a bunch of truly covert terminators on various missions to gather supplies and bolster things in Skynet's favor in the future. There was the ganster terminator that stole a bunch of money, hid it and itself somewhere until the stock market existed, used the money to found a company and amass wealth and start getting ready to invest it in weapons development before Summer Glau caught up to him and destroyed him. That was in an episode where Cameron was apparently using library access to look for evidence of terminators on various missions and going about stopping whatever they were doing in between fixing stupid mistakes Sarah and John were making. Also the Cromartie terminator destroying some other terminator that was about to kill the FBI guy because Cromartie figured that guy would lead him to John Connor and some line about "Skynet would see the logic in it later". Also military convoy terminator guy that got locked in a blast door bunker. Lots of terminators on various missions were run across and stopped during the show that weren't all necessarily on "Kill John Connor" missions. Also human servants of Skynet sent back to the past prior to Judgement Day as a retirement/reward for completing some betrayal of humanity mission in the future.
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My favorite Terminator timeline is the one where RoboCop is both Skynet and John Conner.
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Stugazi posted:Haven't seen these posted here yet: G-III fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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