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Round Robin just means less variety on your schedule year to year all hail the superconferences with 7 team divisions
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7 team divisions (with 8 game conference schedules) just means you only play every team in your division once every four years. Seriously though I like round robin. Also helps with the dick waving contests because you don't get to magically skip the best team in the other division every other year.
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VDay posted:So apparently not only is there security camera footage of Diddy's fight but also some stuff that was shot on cellphones, so look forward to that being public. Coaches don't want to press charges so this may all blow over after all http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report--ucla-coaches-don-t-want-to-prosecute-p--diddy-215952776.html
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Jun 24, 2015 23:38
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Strobe posted:If there had been a single upset on championship weekend last year, that narrative would be dead. I disagree. That's a short term look at a long term problem. They aren't positioned to generate revenue the way the B1G, PAC12, SEC, and ACC are as a result of their smaller footprint and lack of a TV network. Their bargaining power is entirely predicated on Texas/OU being relevant. TCU added nothing to the conference money wise, not even speaking of WVU not bringing much in that regard either. Staying at 10 in a world of 12 & 14 team conferences just means you're a step behind. Money makes the world go round and the Big12 is at a distinct disadvantage compared to the other P5 groups. Competition wise is not the quesiton they've got teams that can hang, but their ability to continue to hang is based on what those conferences will generate in revenue and everyone but Texas is falling behind the longer the Big12 stays as it is. Add more teams and maybe you can force Texas' hand on the network.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Competition wise is not the quesiton they've got teams that can hang, but their ability to continue to hang is based on what those conferences will generate in revenue and everyone but Texas is falling behind the longer the Big12 stays as it is. Add more teams and maybe you can force Texas' hand on the network. I'd argue OU should theoretically be ok too, but whatever. As I understand it the smaller schools are the ones against expansion because it will cut into their money if they don't get the right schools (and they can't get the right ones at this point other than maybe BYU). The whole thing seems dumb, just like the Big 12 in general. I still think they should have immediately pounced on Florida State/Georgia Tech if that was ever actually possible, failing that grab Louisville and Cincinnati. Someone post the bearcat picture.
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Grittybeard posted:I'd argue OU should theoretically be ok too, but whatever. As I understand it the smaller schools are the ones against expansion because it will cut into their money if they don't get the right schools (and they can't get the right ones at this point other than maybe BYU). I don't know much about conference politics and TV deals and revenue sharing and such but just in terms of good football my best-case scenario in the event of an ACC collapse is the Big 12 picking up Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, and either Miami or Virginia Tech.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Big 12 needs to round up any of the remaining decent Texas schools (Houston, maybe SMU), grab BYU for that sweet sweet mormon money and exposure then throw in someone like Colorado State because boo to boise/the rest of the MWC (also helps with the Denver market maybe). gently caress off (in regards to UH, SMU, BYU) The Notorious ZSB posted:I know the ACC is often joked about, but we are in a way stronger spot than the Big12 in terms of stability and being relevant/meaningful moving into the new era of the P5 schools. This is a possibility, but on the other hand, the Big XII is currently made up of less appealing schools to the other conferences largely because they have a number of schools that are tightly tied to other members of the conference. ACC is seen as having fewer issues with keeping in-state schools together and is not one of the two predatory conferences (SEC & Big Ten). Kansas is vulnerable to being poached by the Big Ten, but it's not known what sort of politics KSU would play. WVU is vulnerable to the SEC, but who knows if they're appealing enough. OU and UT are tied to in-state rivals. With the ACC, VT, UNC, NC State, Virginia, Duke, Miami, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame (halfsies), and Louisville are all more likely to be poached than any current Big XII school outside of KU and WVU. I still see one of two scenarios playing out in 2026: 1. Big XII is torn apart with 4 teams going west, 1 north, 1 southeast, and the rest landing in some combination of ACC & AAC 2. ACC is torn apart with 2 teams going to each of the SEC & Big Ten, while the Big XII and most of the remaining ACC powers merge, with other ACC members finding their way into the AAC.
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Jun 25, 2015 00:15
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Why would kansas go to the big ten?
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Metapod posted:Why would kansas go to the big ten? That sweet B10 Network money might be enough to lure Kansas basketball away from winning the conference by default every goddamned year.
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They would love to go to the Big Ten, I'm sure. There is not really any reason for the Big Ten to want them at this point, aside from the lazy "they're close to Big Ten country!" thinking that gets people to believe that the Big Ten is going to add Iowa State. They're good at basketball but that's a distant second to football (where they're godawful) and they don't add a major market the way Rutgers allegedly does.
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Jun 25, 2015 00:22
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Kick out Penn State and add Pitt
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I can't really imagine any scenario that the ACC falls apart once and for all. If anything, wouldn't they be able to survive as basketball with the ACC name?Detroit_Dogg posted:Add Pitt This is a good plan.
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If I remember right OU wanted Louisville to join, and Louisville was interested at the time. I think the school presidents or ADs or something are friends. The Big 12 was originally thinking WVU, but Louisville tried to make a push and politicians got involved, then West Virginia politicians got involved claiming they were there first, verbal pissing wars ensued or something like that, I don't remember exactly, but WVU obviously ended up in the Big 12 over Louisville. I remember thinking at the time why not go after both. Louisville is a much larger market than anything in West Virginia, and it would keep what had become a rivalry in the Big East while giving each school another one in close proximity compared to the rest of the conference. Since taking both would have meant 11 teams, they could have then gone after FSU or another ACC school. If that didn't work, a school like BYU, Boise St, or Cincinnati. If you're looking purely at market size, BYU would have given you Salt Lake City, though Cincinnati is pretty good size market too. With the current state of Louisville in both football and basketball and the ACC locking themselves up for the foreseeable future, I think they both came out winners in this case. The Big 12 I don't think is in any immediate danger, but I don't think adding schools just to get to 12 is the way to go unless the right schools are available. I think eventually they either poach who they want out of the ACC or break apart and get absorbed into the other 4, because I think we'll eventually get to 4 superconferences (20 teams each, 2 10 team divisions) and either the ACC or Big 12 goes away in that scenario.
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Shut up everybody. The Big XII schools are all best friends and they are never going to break up or add any other schools because that's not what best friends do. Except Missouri is cool and can come back if they want as long as they write everybody a letter saying they're sorry and they'll never do it again.
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Jun 25, 2015 01:22
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Then kick out Indiana and add Mizzou Then kick out Rutgers and add literally any other team in the nation
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kayakyakr posted:
ACC basketball stabilizes the conference really really well. How NCAAM popularity changes in the coming years, if it does at all, probably has a bigger impact for the ACC than most things football would change, barring some really massive shift
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Conference decisions should never be made based on anything other than football.
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TheAlmightyFrog posted:If I remember right OU wanted Louisville to join, and Louisville was interested at the time. I think the school presidents or ADs or something are friends. The Big 12 was originally thinking WVU, but Louisville tried to make a push and politicians got involved, then West Virginia politicians got involved claiming they were there first, verbal pissing wars ensued or something like that, I don't remember exactly, but WVU obviously ended up in the Big 12 over Louisville. I remember thinking at the time why not go after both. Louisville is a much larger market than anything in West Virginia, and it would keep what had become a rivalry in the Big East while giving each school another one in close proximity compared to the rest of the conference. Since taking both would have meant 11 teams, they could have then gone after FSU or another ACC school. You forget your timeline. It was TCU that came along and wound up knocking Louisville out. That was settled between UT's president or AD or something and TCU's over whiskey. 9 other teams (including WVU who was already joining the conference at that time) wanted Louisville, but UT gets what it wants.
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kayakyakr posted:gently caress off (in regards to UH, SMU, BYU) So you'd rather the rousing options of UCF, USF, East Carolina, & Cincy better then? ACC Basketball will keep that conference moving forward, whatever attrition it has won't be huge especially with ND in the fold.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Then kick out Rutgers and add literally any other team in the nation Rutgers to the Big Ten was the only truly disappointing move in the whole process, really. I mean, aside from the Texas to the Pac-16 disappointment, which goes beyond disappointment into some other emotion.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:So you'd rather the rousing options of UCF, USF, East Carolina, & Cincy better then? 1. No. None of the above. UCF is the only one with growth potential. 2. Football drives alignment. Basketball is nice, but it hasn't helped the Big East stay relevant, has it? If ACC loses 4 to the SEC and the Big Ten, the remaining 10.5 will have an option between abandoning ship and doing something with the Big XII, or picking up those same rousing options you listed above. And no pretending that any school in the ACC would turn down the Big Ten or SEC when they come along.
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kayakyakr posted:You forget your timeline. It was TCU that came along and wound up knocking Louisville out. That was settled between UT's president or AD or something and TCU's over whiskey. I wish the old Big XII never broke apart honestly. Add TCU, West Virginia, and poach two other teams near WV (so not every away game for them would be a plane trip) from the Big East and or ACC. If that had happened nobody would be talking about how bad the Big XII is... but goddam UT.
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kayakyakr posted:1. No. None of the above. UCF is the only one with growth potential. Depends on the schools and how the invites are spread. The North Carolina schools will spurn almost any such invitations, as they're pretty tightly bound. Pitt would probably leave for the Big 10 or maybe Big 12, as either restores a good amount of historic rivalries. GT left the SEC and probably doesn't want to return back to it. Louiville to the SEC normalizes the Kentucky rivalry a lot and opens up rival games and OOC games. FSU is sitting pretty. The Virginia schools probably don't particularly care one way or the other. Miami leaving would be a huge, huge gamble and is probably predicated on being able to get enough money from the conference to afford a ton of new upgrades, coaching and otherwise. If they get that money and keep getting worse, then the move effectively turns them into vanderbilt.
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Good gravy can you imagine if UVA was actually good at football and ended up in the SEC? The Ole Miss-UVA games would be the American version of the Royal Ascot.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Depends on the schools and how the invites are spread. The North Carolina schools will spurn almost any such invitations, as they're pretty tightly bound. Pitt would probably leave for the Big 10 or maybe Big 12, as either restores a good amount of historic rivalries. GT left the SEC and probably doesn't want to return back to it. Louiville to the SEC normalizes the Kentucky rivalry a lot and opens up rival games and OOC games. FSU is sitting pretty. The Virginia schools probably don't particularly care one way or the other. Miami leaving would be a huge, huge gamble and is probably predicated on being able to get enough money from the conference to afford a ton of new upgrades, coaching and otherwise. If they get that money and keep getting worse, then the move effectively turns them into vanderbilt. I'm thinking that it comes out like as: SEC takes NC State and Virginia Tech Big Ten takes UNC and Virginia Big XII joins with FSU, Clemson, GT, Louisville, Pitt (for WVU), Miami, Notre Dame, and/or Duke. Wake, 'Cuse, and BC get left in the cold. NC State and UNC getting and accepting invites to the big two is the only thing that's hugely up in the air. The big reason why they would try to package is to make sure neither is left behind. With each school holding a golden ticket, would either side care? SEC's policy of not doubling up states means that they'd be left with few options if the NC schools turn it down. Kansas adds basketball, but realignment is driven by football. WVU is possible, but West Virginia itself is a fairly small media market. Pitt is a strong possibility, but they don't have any connections to the SEC as it stands and don't add much in the way of current football prowess. Just 1 school leaving could bring the Big XII all crashing down, though. I've said it many times before, I predict that the Big XII and ACC's futures are with each other. Pac 12 will remain at 12, SEC and Big Ten at 16, Big XII and ACC will merge into some mixed monstrosity with between 16 and 20 teams.
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No way UNC and Duke split up.
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The core ACC will never leave. Anyone who's joined since FSU did...maybe.
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UNC NCState and Duke act more or less as a unit in the ACC office, and as such have a huge amount of power within the conference. They're not gonna split up to be never-rans in totally disparate conferences.
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pillsburysoldier posted:UNC NCState and Duke act more or less as a unit in the ACC office, and as such have a huge amount of power within the conference. They're not gonna split up to be never-rans in totally disparate conferences. And yet at the same time, the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 aren't going to take more than one school in North Carolina. If other schools are jumping ship left and right and the ACC looks like it's going the way of the Big East, the NC schools may have to choose between splitting up or ending up in a crappy mid-major conference.
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I should say I think maybe Clemson would consider a move but they'd be the only founding members that would do so unless the conference was in dire straits. GT joined like 25 years after the founding and I don't see them going elsewhere either. Most of the schools fit really well. Pitt and Louisville are kinda outliers but like BC, Cuse, Miami, VT all fit remarkably well within the confines of the conference. I wouldn't say VT is opposed to moving but I question the cost it would come at and how short-sighted people are to clamor for some instant gratification(football revenue sharing) over where the school as a whole belongs which, with the way VT is trending as a university, is decidedly as an ACC school. In the end I don't see VT going anywhere and it will probably be the correct decision no matter how badly some football fans are to head to the SEC and struggle to win 6 games.
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Virginia Tech really is the non-Texas rival A&M deserves though
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Don't inflict Aggie upon others
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Raku posted:Virginia Tech really is the non-Texas rival A&M deserves though Our shenanigans are cheeky and fun. Aggy shenanigans are cruel and tragic.
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Raku posted:Virginia Tech really is the non-Texas rival A&M deserves though I already get confused enough with Miss St.
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Raku posted:Virginia Tech really is the non-Texas rival A&M deserves though We are the normal version that A&M thinks they are.
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Look, VT, just join the SEC if you're ever asked and accept your fate as TAMU's rival and playing Tennessee for ownership of Bristol every year until the end of time. I mean we ALL put you in the SEC in NCAA Football 2011.
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Sash! posted:Look, VT, just join the SEC if you're ever asked and accept your fate as TAMU's rival and playing Tennessee for ownership of Bristol every year until the end of time. You just reminded me that ncaa football is no more 
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kayakyakr posted:I've said it many times before, I predict that the Big XII and ACC's futures are with each other. Pac 12 will remain at 12, SEC and Big Ten at 16, Big XII and ACC will merge into some mixed monstrosity with between 16 and 20 teams. I think the only way the Pac 12 expands is if talk of Texas and OU (along with TTU and OSU) heading west comes up again. I just don't see Texas giving up the power they have right now to do that. I think that might be the worst case for the rest of the Big 12, because I don't think the other conferences would be rushing to take any of them. I also wonder if the SEC will ever try to make (another?) push to get OU. Though I'm sure that would have to come with OSU as a package deal, and I know they'd rather get a Virginia/North Carolina school as the 16th team to get a different market.
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Honestly the survival of big 12 depends highly on Texas and just how big of a douche they can be before they piss off OU. The longhorn network has been a relative disaster and if Texas doesn't allow a big 12 network after the contact is up I think many of the schools will be looking at the other conferences and their big tv dollars. Then you see OU going to either pac 12 or B1G along with probably OSU and K state with Baylor or tcu close behind. Kansas and Iowa state join mwc and Texas can go to hell for all I care. Death to the big 12! I'm pretty sure though that if OU looked like they were waffling B1G would be at the door with money bags in hand in a heartbeat. djdanno13 fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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kayakyakr posted:Big Ten takes Virginia Michigan and Virginia could have a rivalry game! The trophy could be a statue of Gerald Broflovski sniffing his own farts.
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