Kyrie eleison posted:

OT Law and Christian law are different. Although the Church did have Jubilees of a sort after the year 1300, every 25 or 50 years, although I'm not sure what their effect was on slavery.

Christians often end up defending the OT because critics often accuse the OT of being too harsh, even though Christians are not bound as strictly by the OT and have our own take on things.

There was a distinction drawn between good and bad slavery. It turns out that pretty much every classical philosopher supported slavery in one form or another.

Should also be noted that the slave trade does continue today in some countries.

But before the Civil War it seems the Pope asked for the end of the slave trade, and of cruel treatment of slaves, and criticized the avarice of those who took slaves, without rejecting the concept of slavery entirely. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Greg16/g16sup.htm

With Vatican II the Church has decided that "slavery" as a word only really applies to negative forms anymore, when it used to be more neutral, and so due to this shift it can now be said that the Church is against slavery in general. Whatever "positive forms of slavery" might exist, they are better called something else.

Paul exhorts us to be slaves to Christ Jesus.

Kyrie eleison posted:

OT Law and Christian law are different. Although the Church did have Jubilees of a sort after the year 1300, every 25 or 50 years, although I'm not sure what their effect was on slavery.

Christians often end up defending the OT because critics often accuse the OT of being too harsh, even though Christians are not bound as strictly by the OT and have our own take on things.

There was a distinction drawn between good and bad slavery. It turns out that pretty much every classical philosopher supported slavery in one form or another.

Should also be noted that the slave trade does continue today in some countries.

But before the Civil War it seems the Pope asked for the end of the slave trade, and of cruel treatment of slaves, and criticized the avarice of those who took slaves, without rejecting the concept of slavery entirely. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Greg16/g16sup.htm

With Vatican II the Church has decided that "slavery" as a word only really applies to negative forms anymore, when it used to be more neutral, and so due to this shift it can now be said that the Church is against slavery in general. Whatever "positive forms of slavery" might exist, they are better called something else.

Paul exhorts us to be slaves to Christ Jesus.

Miltank posted:

The Old Testament is kept on because Israel is read as a metaphor for the Church and to provide background to figures mentioned New Testament.

CommieGIR posted:

Then maybe you should get busy removing the OT if its not valid anymore Just sayin'

Kyrie eleison posted:

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Kyrie eleison posted:

Are you saying we should eradicate all copies of it? It adds a lot of essential context to the New Testament. Which is called New. And the other is called Old. So hopefully Christians should recognize the order of supremacy.

CommieGIR posted:

This kinda flies in the face of claiming Jesus fulfilled the law of the Old Testament.

CommieGIR posted:

What context? That God promises not to flood the Earth anymore, or commit baby genocides? THANKS GOD! Awesome metaphors and context clues!

CommieGIR posted:

This kinda flies in the face of claiming Jesus fulfilled the law of the Old Testament.


What context? That God promises not to flood the Earth anymore, or commit baby genocides? THANKS GOD! Awesome metaphors and context clues!

Effectronica posted:

Nope.

"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession."

Bible Apologetics posted:

The laws for servants who were non-Hebrews were slightly different. For them there was no automatic release, either in the Jubilee year (Leviticus 25:44-46), or the seventh year of debt cancellation (Deuteronomy 15:3). These foreign indentured servants were outside the covenant community, and did not receive the benefit of debt cancellation. The Hebrews were permitted to pass them on as an inheritance to the next generation until their debts were repaid, which is the meaing of ‘olam’ in Leviticus 25:46 (translated ‘perpetually’). The text does not mean they were permanent possessions, but is an explanation as to why they do not go out at the seventh year of release or the Jubilee as the Hebrews do (the reason being that their debts are not cancelled).

Kyrie eleison posted:

Yeah, duh. I was threatened by a mod. Why do you think I replied to it here?

And as for the second part: No. The miracle cure implies they will be saved from death. The afterlife is something for the dying to hope for after death. Do you see the distinction?

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Miltank posted:

He shouldn't have been banned and I hope he comes back.

Miltank posted:

He shouldn't have been banned and I hope he comes back.

Reaganball Z posted:

Kyrie was way better at philosophy than the rest of you jokers.

Reaganball Z posted:

Kyrie was way better at philosophy than the rest of you jokers. As soon as someone like him isn't around anymore the lot of you just go back to entropy, look at how boring the politics thread is now that the Latin teacher guy stopped posting.

Reaganball Z posted:

Well he was good at creating thinking exercises. Like, I found his theory of Jesus trying to make a Platonic religion very fascinating and I've spent time pondering it since. I also liked that he would link to quality youtube channels every now and then.

Reaganball Z posted:

I'm not apologizing for anybody, it just defeats the purpose of reading D&D if it's going to be a Democratic Party circlejerk.

Disinterested posted:

Kyrie's posting actually has strongly discouraged a number of other Christians from posting here, as does the reddit atheism posting crew.

Disinterested posted:

Kyrie's posting actually has strongly discouraged a number of other Christians from posting here, as does the reddit atheism posting crew.

CommieGIR posted:

Here's the thing: If you create a thread specifically focused around how all of the people in the thread that refuse to accept your premise are going to hell, expect to be called out.

Being a prideful dick might catch some scorn.

Disinterested posted:

But posts that go: 'I haven't seen God recently. Checkmate Christians '

Reaganball Z posted:

Disinterested posted:

Kyrie's posting actually has strongly discouraged a number of other Christians from posting here, as does the reddit atheism posting crew.

Funky See Funky Do posted:

You often hear the religious talk about God's Plan but that we simple mortals can't know what it is. Do they ever try to take a stab at it though? Are there any good theologians that have attempted a guess at what (the Judeo-Christian) God's plan is? That is something I would love to read.

rudatron posted:

Well I hope I haven't discouraged anyone, I don't really like the idea of alienating kind hearted people. Of course I've been really snarky at times, but you adjust that depending on who you're talking to, and kyrie's a good enough target to release on, if you're going to choose any.

Wade Wilson posted:

The ones that have tend to turn into terrible people. Like noted child molester Finis Dake, after he spent an exhaustive amount of time putting together a reference bible that outlines just how big a dick God is if you take the scriptures at face value.

If you don't care about that, you can get some interesting stuff out of this at any rate: http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Plan-Man...an+for+man+dake

Funky See Funky Do posted:

Thanks for that quick reply. I'm not sure I want to give money to a noted child molester though. Would you be willing to paraphrase the book into "This guy thinks God's plan is ---"?

Wade Wilson posted:

God's Plan is "gently caress you, I do what I want and if you don't love me and worship everything I do unconditionally and mean it you'll burn for eternity in a burning lake of fire with maggots continuously eating your flesh, yet not consuming you."