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So If I'm going for Dork Knight, I need to level Marauder and what else, Thaumaturge?
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Rei_ posted:I can't quite figure out what DRKs role is, and the more people I talk to who have started gearing the class up post-60, it sounds like they can't either. It has a loving BOATLOAD of damage mitigation cooldowns, which tells me that you really want it in an MT role more than anything due to its dependency on getting hit in the face to get its abilities going. At the same time, a Paladin is a lot more stable suggestion for that role. As it stands, neither tank class can match up to WAR in terms offtanking effiency and raw damage output... The latter part of which is weird, considering how the two tanks stacked up against eachother in 2.0, but idk Dark and warrior are pretty much the same Dps from what I've seen of the numbers, the trick if dark is you output so much threat you only need to use your actual emnity combo once, then use the other combos to fuel more darkness ability shenanigans.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:20
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Also, I find it incredible how many people have pretty much "finished Heavensward" at this point. As in, class to 60, all quests done, all dungeons done. Geared to the teeth already. I'm not trying to poo poo on those people, but I think I'm glad that I've been taking things a bit slower. I played hard the first couple days just to get my AST up to 50, but I'm barely into the main quests. I'm level 51, close to 52 and all I've done are the initial questlines in Coerthas Western and Sea of Clouds as well as the Elf Pope meeting after. I feel like I still have so much ahead of me. I just don't understand those that race to the cap, skip all cutscenes and burn through everything in less than a week and then in another couple weeks are just going to sit around and complain that there's nothing to do, I've been a big fan of just playing a couple hours a day, taking it casual and just being a slowpoke sightseer. Plus, it allows me to play other games (Like finishing Witcher 3).
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Jun 25, 2015 19:20
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I want my main class to 60 so it can be geared and I can take my time learning all the other new jobs? idk dude people play however they want, calm down
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Jun 25, 2015 19:21
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Mordiceius posted:Also, I find it incredible how many people have pretty much "finished Heavensward" at this point. As in, class to 60, all quests done, all dungeons done. Geared to the teeth already. I took a week off for Heavensward, going back to work tomorrow and I finished the story this morning and I'm in the process of unlocking the 60 dungeons. For the most part, I did it purely to avoid spoilers, since I'm unironically caremad about the story. Now that it's done I'm going to chill and take some time away from the game since we aren't getting any more content for a week and a half. I had a lot of fun, and progressing at the same rate as your friends is fun. FWIW, I also didn't touch any of the new jobs yet.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:23
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Mordiceius posted:Also, I find it incredible how many people have pretty much "finished Heavensward" at this point. As in, class to 60, all quests done, all dungeons done. Geared to the teeth already. I thoroughly enjoyed getting to 60. I hit 60 Monday. Figuring out the bossfights for each dungeon was fun and challenging. It's not nearly as fun if everyone has an idea of what happens. Now I'm just gearing up so I can start leveling another class.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:27
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who gives a poo poo how other nerds spend their freetime.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:40
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Eej posted:60 Law for Cape Westwind is so good though. Yesterday was the first time I've ever gotten Westwind for a trial roulette.  Aug posted:I thoroughly enjoyed getting to 60. I hit 60 Monday. Figuring out the bossfights for each dungeon was fun and challenging. It's not nearly as fun if everyone has an idea of what happens. Now I'm just gearing up so I can start leveling another class.  Burning through the MSQ during early access was fun in that regard and a ton of people leveling hard early on tend to be people who've cleared T13 and/or savage coil so even when you just used DF you ended up with competent party members who knew how to think fast. And then you get to one of several fights that uses mechanics directly taken from coil boss fights and your party proceeds to stomp it in to the ground.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:41
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Ciaphas posted:Got Ravana story unlocked this morning. Neat cutscenes. Can't wait to tank him blind tonight Try to be the OT if you can, you have a specific role and it's pretty fun. On burning through the expansion: I was gone for 2.5 of the EA days but I've been playing like 5-6 hours a day since and I'm lvl 55 (should hit 56 tonight) and I'm just working on the MSQ with a class I had at 50 already. I'm playing a lot more than I usually do as well (I normally play ~1 hour a day with 3 days at like 3-4 hours). I don't know how some people have burned all through to 60, fully geared up and are working on their second 60's at this point. Ouhei fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Jun 25, 2015 19:43
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Mordiceius posted:Also, I find it incredible how many people have pretty much "finished Heavensward" at this point. As in, class to 60, all quests done, all dungeons done. Geared to the teeth already. Everybody who does things differently than you are wrong. You are the main character of the entire universe.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:43
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Evil Fluffy posted:And then you get to one of several fights that uses mechanics directly taken from coil boss fights and your party proceeds to stomp it in to the ground. As soon as the second boss of the final dungeon used Ballistic Missile, two of us instantly moved to resolve it. It was pretty great. I'm glad Selene has a party cleanse now though, because the Megaflare pillars during the final boss are kind of a pain with a party which doesn't know what to do.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:50
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I don't think you need to spoiler something that's been in every FF since they introduced Bahamut. I wish they used the FF10 Bahamut, he was so goddamn metal.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:52
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Rei_ posted:MCH is really fun and will probably get more fun as people figure it out more but it does actually have some serious problems that lead to either overexertion through in-depth micromanagement or just a shockingly bad output of damage. The micromanagement thing is a huge problem because it means in any sort of high-end fight you have a class that is required to be more focused on its rotation than mechanics, simply to keep up with everyone else, and that leads to a lot of problems. I'd wait until Alex Savage or even 3.1 to see how they balance classes out but as it stands w/r/t Warrior supremacy but DRK is a fine MT (Reprisal stacking with Path is hilarious) and an okay OT (Delirium gives you more flexibility in group comp aka No Monks Allowed). I think the real issue is that DRKs have no free on GCD abilities to give them a TP break, making them more reliant on Spire, Goad or hoovering up Rook/Paeon with the other melee DPS.
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Jun 25, 2015 19:52
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Saigyouji posted:As soon as the second boss of the final dungeon used Ballistic Missile, two of us instantly moved to resolve it. It was pretty great. Same experience for all the similarly themed mechanics in my experience. It has been a wonderful time at 60 so far, especially the final trial 
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Jun 25, 2015 19:53
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Well, I had 5 days off (Friday - Tuesday) and while I kept a normal sleep/meal schedule those days I spent most of the rest of the time playing FF14. I got 60 on my smn/sch late Tuesday afternoon. I primarily did this for story reasons, I wanted to get through the story so I could safely read about the game elsewhere without having to worry about spoilers (and I'm glad I did). I don't think it's that much different from binging on a new RPG for a couple days when it comes out. I also wanted to get a character at 60 so I could get one out of the way and start focusing on collecting gear for it and trying the other classes I wanted to play at a more leisurely pace. So yeah I don't know why the assumption is if you're shooting for 60 quickly you don't care about the story or don't have a valid reason for doing so. I also don't understand why people even care about that sort of stuff in the first place. I mean, I've certainly got no problem with people taking leveling at a more leisurely pace, but it always seems like there are people going "omg how can you just rush to cap super quickly and get everything done?!" like it's a bad thing. cathead fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Jun 25, 2015 20:02
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Eej posted:I'd wait until Alex Savage or even 3.1 to see how they balance classes out but as it stands w/r/t Warrior supremacy but DRK is a fine MT (Reprisal stacking with Path is hilarious) and an okay OT (Delirium gives you more flexibility in group comp aka No Monks Allowed). I think the real issue is that DRKs have no free on GCD abilities to give them a TP break, making them more reliant on Spire, Goad or hoovering up Rook/Paeon with the other melee DPS. PLD is really in the same boat, ignoring time spent casting their new heal, except DRK is actually better off since they have a really good DoT that only costs 60TP, and since their ranged attack costs MP instead of a whole bunch of TP they can spend GCDs on that if they absolutely run out of TP, or if they find themselves out of range of their target and between combos.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:04
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There are extremes, like when I saw DRK60s running around on Saturday night I was just like "jesus christ" because that is literally insane levels of sitting in front of the computer all day. But as we started to come into the beginning of the week I'd say that was fairly normal completion times for someone on an old job.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:04
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Popehoist posted:There are extremes, like when I saw DRK60s running around on Saturday night I was just like "jesus christ" because that is literally insane levels of sitting in front of the computer all day. But as we started to come into the beginning of the week I'd say that was fairly normal completion times for someone on an old job. I'm rather impressed by them as I pretty much spent every waking moment playing from the moment the servers went up but I farted around a lot and took long breaks to keep me from getting carpal tunnel so bad it applies retroactively. I bet they didn't clear Tam Tara regular in 3 minutes soon after the servers were loginable for shits and giggles 
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Jun 25, 2015 20:08
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Klades posted:PLD is really in the same boat, ignoring time spent casting their new heal, except DRK is actually better off since they have a really good DoT that only costs 60TP, and since their ranged attack costs MP instead of a whole bunch of TP they can spend GCDs on that if they absolutely run out of TP, or if they find themselves out of range of their target and between combos. Paladins have always been able to use Bulwark or cast Stoneskin at specific times in a fight to recover TP. With Shelltron they can use it on cooldown to get more Shield Swipes (which now have an emnity bonus) to save TP or use it instead of Bulwark to mitigate a single tankbuster attack, letting them use Bulwark more freely as a DPS and TP cooldown. Along with Clemency that's four buttons that Paladins can press to save TP while doing something useful with their GCD (even more so now that PLD Stoneskin is the same as WHM Stoneskin!). Hell, you can even cast Protect when someone is rezzed to save your healers the GCD or two. I mean I guess you could use Unmend as a filler between combos to save TP but that's definitely deep into the Feelbad Zone.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:10
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Eej posted:Paladins have always been able to use Bulwark or cast Stoneskin at specific times in a fight to recover TP. With Shelltron they can use it on cooldown to get more Shield Swipes (which now have an emnity bonus) to save TP or use it instead of Bulwark to mitigate a single tankbuster attack, letting them use Bulwark more freely as a DPS and TP cooldown. Along with Clemency that's four buttons that Paladins can press to save TP while doing something useful with their GCD (even more so now that PLD Stoneskin is the same as WHM Stoneskin!). Hell, you can even cast Protect when someone is rezzed to save your healers the GCD or two. Ah, yeah, I forgot about Bulwark+Shield Swipe. Yeah, DRK TP recovery is crappy.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:17
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I thought about taking DRK to 60 as part of the expansion, but rightly guessed that tank queues were going to be completely hosed glue the first week of HW and didn't want to end up hating the class from overexposure the way I did scholar. Plus, it gives me a chance to learn the dungeons as a dps before trying to tank them.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:18
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I've had an itch to start playing this game again. I played a Paladin to level ~37 or something and then had to quit because I didn't really have any spare MMO time. If I just want to dip my toes in again should I buy Heavensward? Are there any graphical upgrades or quality of life changes or something? If not I guess I'll just get myself a month and continue the story.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:19
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Eej posted:Paladins have always been able to use Bulwark or cast Stoneskin at specific times in a fight to recover TP. With Shelltron they can use it on cooldown to get more Shield Swipes (which now have an emnity bonus) to save TP or use it instead of Bulwark to mitigate a single tankbuster attack, letting them use Bulwark more freely as a DPS and TP cooldown. Along with Clemency that's four buttons that Paladins can press to save TP while doing something useful with their GCD (even more so now that PLD Stoneskin is the same as WHM Stoneskin!). Hell, you can even cast Protect when someone is rezzed to save your healers the GCD or two. Speaking of Paladin rotations: what's your tanking rotation looking like? I'm generally doing Goring Blade -> Halone -> Authority, but I'm finding it difficult to keep both Halone and Goring Blade up if I'm trying to fit in Shield Swipes as well as using Royal Authority. Should I just nix Royal Authority in favor of keeping up Halone/Goring, or simply do fewer Shield Swipes?
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Jun 25, 2015 20:25
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What kind of QoL features did the expansion add? I last played during 2.2, and I hated the inventory system and everything to do with Retainers.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:27
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Fluegel posted:I've had an itch to start playing this game again. I played a Paladin to level ~37 or something and then had to quit because I didn't really have any spare MMO time. If I just want to dip my toes in again should I buy Heavensward? Are there any graphical upgrades or quality of life changes or something? If not I guess I'll just get myself a month and continue the story. I asked this a few pages ago. No QoL stuff or anything so you can hold off if you want.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:28
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Fluegel posted:I've had an itch to start playing this game again. I played a Paladin to level ~37 or something and then had to quit because I didn't really have any spare MMO time. If I just want to dip my toes in again should I buy Heavensward? Are there any graphical upgrades or quality of life changes or something? If not I guess I'll just get myself a month and continue the story. Pretty much all Heavensward content is only available after finishing ARR's main story quests, so if you're unsure, you can wait until you finish MSQ 2.55 to see if you want to continue on. The final cutscene stops on a cliffhanger and leaves with a "ALL WILL BE REVEALED WHEN WE GO HEAVESNWARD" or something like that, but so far HW content is pretty amazing.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:29
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Fluegel posted:I've had an itch to start playing this game again. I played a Paladin to level ~37 or something and then had to quit because I didn't really have any spare MMO time. If I just want to dip my toes in again should I buy Heavensward? Are there any graphical upgrades or quality of life changes or something? If not I guess I'll just get myself a month and continue the story. Get another month of game time. The expansion will not influence your game play at all until you hit 50 and beat all of the main story quests up until 2.55. The expansion did update the game with DX11 support for everyone, so you can enjoy that without the expansion. Elswyyr posted:What kind of QoL features did the expansion add? I last played during 2.2, and I hated the inventory system and everything to do with Retainers. You can custom-sort your inventory now with slash commands (and can look up pre-made macros if you're lazy), and I don't know why you'd hate everything to do with retainers when they have a minimal game impact and you can safely ignore them. 
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Jun 25, 2015 20:31
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I got to the last zone this morning final fantasy's pretty loving weird and amazing y'all, i'm glad this is definately final fantasy game But naturally there were more Moogle sidequests waiting for me in the Churning Mists at 59, because there always are. I'm fairly certain now the Moogle Sidequests are being procedurally generated like in Skyrim or something Rei_ fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Jun 25, 2015 20:35
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Pretty much the only reason to buy HW before hitting the end of 2.55 is if you want to play as a dragonman instead of one of the stock races, since the three new classes are storygated in ishgard and all the QoL bonuses (100% armory bonus instead of 50%, etc.) are available to base game havers.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:38
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Klades posted:Ah, yeah, I forgot about Bulwark+Shield Swipe. What on earth are you spending that much tp on
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Jun 25, 2015 20:41
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Vermain posted:Speaking of Paladin rotations: what's your tanking rotation looking like? I'm generally doing Goring Blade -> Halone -> Authority, but I'm finding it difficult to keep both Halone and Goring Blade up if I'm trying to fit in Shield Swipes as well as using Royal Authority. Should I just nix Royal Authority in favor of keeping up Halone/Goring, or simply do fewer Shield Swipes? I'm leveling DRK right now and I haven't really done any Actual Hard Content yet (that's actually code for Ravana EX) but from a pure damage perspective, Authority does 100+200+340 = 640 Potency, average of 213 per GCD. Shield Swipe does 210 + additional emnity. I think it's safe to say that you shouldn't Swipe in the middle of your Authority combo unless you are hurting for aggro. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you should keep using Authority as filler and if you can't hold all these Swipes and Halone falls off, just do a Halone combo at the next opportunity as long as Goring Blade isn't going to fall off. Exceptions to be made if you definitely need Halone up for an upcoming physical tankbuster is coming up that you definitely want to reduce the damage of (think Flatten). All conjecture, of course.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:48
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:What on earth are you spending that much tp on DRK single target combos are all slightly more spendy than the base TP regen rate. They have few-to-no on-GCD free-or-discounted abilities (Shield Swipe, etc.) to help them spend less, and no TP regen abilities. Eventually, unless you just stop hitting things, you run out.
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cathead posted:Well, I had 5 days off (Friday - Tuesday) and while I kept a normal sleep/meal schedule those days I spent most of the rest of the time playing FF14. I got 60 on my smn/sch late Tuesday afternoon. I primarily did this for story reasons, I wanted to get through the story so I could safely read about the game elsewhere without having to worry about spoilers (and I'm glad I did). I don't think it's that much different from binging on a new RPG for a couple days when it comes out. I also wanted to get a character at 60 so I could get one out of the way and start focusing on collecting gear for it and trying the other classes I wanted to play at a more leisurely pace. So yeah I don't know why the assumption is if you're shooting for 60 quickly you don't care about the story or don't have a valid reason for doing so. Oh I did not intend on the post coming across condescending or anything and it doesn't apply to most people. There is however that small subset that will race to complete everything within the first week and then sit around and do nothing but stand there. I just don't understand those. Albeit, however, I feel there are less of those people in this game than most MMOs. They tend to be just come across as some of the most annoying. It's like the guy that ground Indolent Imperial for Fenrir and then would sit around in Mor Dhona for hours or whenever they would enter a new zone, they would announce their presence.
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Personally, I'm gonna go back and rewatch the cutscenes in the inn once things have died down and I don't have much to do. I don't really have any regrets about skipping through everything, though--for me, the max-level stuff is the game, and all the low-level poo poo is the tax I have to pay to get the game I actually want.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:56
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Dreadwroth posted:So If I'm going for Dork Knight, I need to level Marauder and what else, Thaumaturge? Neither, none of the new Jobs require prerequisite classes. I mean on one hand, cool. On the other hand it does throw the feel of the rest of the game out of whack. Of course I'm also of the opinion that locking the classes behind the expansion was a dumb move.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:58
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Eej posted:I'm leveling DRK right now and I haven't really done any Actual Hard Content yet (that's actually code for Ravana EX) but from a pure damage perspective, Authority does 100+200+340 = 640 Potency, average of 213 per GCD. Shield Swipe does 210 + additional emnity. I think it's safe to say that you shouldn't Swipe in the middle of your Authority combo unless you are hurting for aggro. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you should keep using Authority as filler and if you can't hold all these Swipes and Halone falls off, just do a Halone combo at the next opportunity as long as Goring Blade isn't going to fall off. Exceptions to be made if you definitely need Halone up for an upcoming physical tankbuster is coming up that you definitely want to reduce the damage of (think Flatten). Seems like good conjecture; thanks. I'm the exact opposite of a math guy, so it's hard for me to make judgments about what's more damage-efficient. Arthil posted:Neither, none of the new Jobs require prerequisite classes. I mean on one hand, cool. On the other hand it does throw the feel of the rest of the game out of whack. Of course I'm also of the opinion that locking the classes behind the expansion was a dumb move. More specifically, Dark Knight uses Marauder and Gladiator cross-class skills. You want Marauder up to, at the very least, level 2 to get Foresight, and Gladiator up to 22 for Provoke (although 34 for Awareness is ideal).
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Endings posted:DRK single target combos are all slightly more spendy than the base TP regen rate. They have few-to-no on-GCD free-or-discounted abilities (Shield Swipe, etc.) to help them spend less, and no TP regen abilities. Yeah, and so do warriors, who run into that problem much more quickly than dark knights do. It's a total nonfactor because by the time you need a TP injection as a DRK the boss is either dead or the inevitable bard/mch has dropped TP regen on the group for the other people who need it sooner.
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Jun 25, 2015 21:14
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Vermain posted:Not just everything: Ravana takes more damage during red phase. It's not a "realistic" number for most scenarios. Yes, I know. My 9k Fire 4 was on that phase too, which is why I didn't mention it. Actually I'm kinda salivating on the thought of what my Fire 4s would hit 4 if we had a Bard and I saved my CDs for that phase. KaneTW fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Jun 25, 2015 21:15
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Yeah, and so do warriors, who run into that problem much more quickly than dark knights do. It's a total nonfactor because by the time you need a TP injection as a DRK the boss is either dead or the inevitable bard/mch has dropped TP regen on the group for the other people who need it sooner. Warriors can stance dance into Deliverance (if actually tanking) and hit Equilibrium for 200 TP every minute. That puts them way ahead of other tanks in TP management even if it means they miss out on one of their Fell Cleaves. e: I'm dumb and Equilibrium doesn't use stacks Eej fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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Vermain posted:Seems like good conjecture; thanks. I'm the exact opposite of a math guy, so it's hard for me to make judgments about what's more damage-efficient. While we're talking about cross class abilities, what are the 5 you'd want on your DRK? On my WAR I've been using provoke, feather foot, convalescence, second wind and flash. Wondering if feather foot is even worth a drat for me.
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