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We have a Horse Lords release date of July 14 and a bunch of new screenshots.
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Jun 25, 2015 14:55
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The Cheshire Cat posted:They do if they aren't kin, but "vassal" can be anything - give them a barony and it still counts even if you press their claim for a kingdom (at least as long as you're an emperor - even if they are a vassal if you press a claim for a title equal or higher than your own they'll still become independent). I believe they'll also be a vassal if the title is de jure part of your territory, although you don't really need to invite claimants for those anyway since you already have a CB. and then watch helplessly as they die of the clap two years later and leave the kingdom to their chucklefuck Amtibious Elusive Shadow brother because ck2.txt.
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Jun 25, 2015 15:21
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Dallan Invictus posted:We have a Horse Lords release date of July 14 and a bunch of new screenshots. July 14th, excellent. Does anybody recognize the word that is written over the Islamic world in the government map? "IOTA"?  The "horde" replacement for retinues is interesting, though I don't know how historically accurate it is to have knights in there alongside light cavalry and horse archers.
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Jun 25, 2015 15:46
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Torrannor posted:July 14th, excellent. "Iqta". Anyway, I'm looking forward to this too. Seems like it should be very interesting.
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Jun 25, 2015 15:50
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Torrannor posted:July 14th, excellent. Iqta. They've mentioned it in a couple of the dev diaries I think - I know I've seen it before somewhere. It's basically just the name for the government type Muslims have where they can hold both castle and church holdings without penalty.
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Jun 25, 2015 15:51
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 So then, since government type is now separate from the primary holding of a province, are government types going to be determined province-by-province within the province history file of every province individually (with like an extra line added in say govtype = feudal or somesuch), or something like the technology history file, where there's a big file with some poo poo like govtype_theocracy = { d_latium d_cologne } and so forth where every landed title is entered?
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Jun 25, 2015 16:17
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Do you burn down a holding to make room for a nomadic one if you conquer down into Samarkand or something?
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Jun 25, 2015 16:28
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Ofaloaf posted:
I wonder if it'll be attached to the primary holder of the title? In the histories folder, there's a folder called "titles", where each title is assigned to a specific character. Perhaps it'll have a line like "govtype" in that file which will specify whether that title is a feudal/nomadic/republic or not.
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Jun 25, 2015 16:56
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^^edit: Beaten, and by somebody who understands a lot more about these things than I do.Ofaloaf posted:
Thanks to your post I took a closer look at the map and discovered shaded areas, which most likely mean that the local ruler has a different government type from his top liege. Since I have no real knowledge of modding, I can't answer your question, but could it be in some way attached to the characters? Some flag that sets them to a feudal/tribal/Muslim/etc. ruler, which is then inherited by his heir?
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Jun 25, 2015 16:58
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eagerly awaiting the entire world is nomadic mod.
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Jun 25, 2015 17:02
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 I wonder what kind of CB "Make Tributary" will be. Can a Catholic ruler like the Holy Roman Emperor really use this CB without restrictions against a fellow Catholic like the King of Poland?
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Jun 25, 2015 17:12
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I might actually buy this on release, it might out- Old Gods.
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Jun 25, 2015 17:15
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DrSunshine posted:I wonder if it'll be attached to the primary holder of the title? In the histories folder, there's a folder called "titles", where each title is assigned to a specific character. Perhaps it'll have a line like "govtype" in that file which will specify whether that title is a feudal/nomadic/republic or not. That seems like the more logical place to put it to me but, you know, Paradox. We'll see in three weeks!
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Jun 25, 2015 17:16
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I started as Chagatai Khan in 1235 and immediately conquered Kabulistan, gave it to Ogedei, granted him independence, and then switched to him. I married his eldest son to one of the daughters of the Turkish Muslim emperor in northern India. They pumped out 7 daughters then finally a son, who eventually coverts to Sunni. Ogedei and Guyug die, the Turkish Sunni emperor dies and leaves the emperor to his 7 yr old grandson. I conquered the Turkish Sunni empire at the age of 17 in about 6 months  . Started from the bottom and now we hereTorrannor posted:
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Jun 25, 2015 17:22
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Volkerball posted:eagerly awaiting the entire world is nomadic mod. That'll probably be the very first thing I do once the patch comes out, I'll modify my all tribal mod to add a second start date where everyone is a nomad.
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Jun 25, 2015 18:32
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I hope there's some mechanic for tributaries to band together to revolt and regain full independence. Seems like it'd be hard since they're not in the same realm so factions wouldn't apply.
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Jun 25, 2015 18:58
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Thanks for the Fraticelli advice. Sadly there's no way to get to Italy in my game: half of it is ruled by the HRE, there's no claims on the Papacy, and nobody from Sicily wants to join my court. I observed the 16-year old king of Sicily get deposed, sent him money and invited him, but nah, he's got no reason to move.  Shame there's no "challenge the church" casus belli for heretics.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:20
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Promontory posted:Thanks for the Fraticelli advice. Sadly there's no way to get to Italy in my game: half of it is ruled by the HRE, there's no claims on the Papacy, and nobody from Sicily wants to join my court. I observed the 16-year old king of Sicily get deposed, sent him money and invited him, but nah, he's got no reason to move. you could make one!
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Jun 25, 2015 20:30
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In my new game I am running to try to create a really strange world, I started out as Hungary and reformed Tengrism and then sorta walked away from them and left them be a nuissance fighting the Karling Hordes & Byzantium. Then I moved to England where the Hvitserks managed to unite North England so I made a new Kingdom of Jorvik and went off to Egypt where the copts rebelled and formed their own kingdom of Egypt (woo). Screwed around with them for a bit until the Abbasid death blob beat me into submission. I see the Hvitserks now control Scotland/Ireland/Norway/Jorvik and the Danes under the Oskylders (who were driven out of Kiev) have conquered England and the Ynglings have conquered all of Brittany and Normandy. As a result as the Queen of Jorvik I conquer zeeland and reform the Germanic faith. Meanwhile one of the Karlings managed to inherit the remaining Kingdoms of Germany/France/Lotharingia and forms the Holy Roman Empire pretty much halting any more Norse Expansion into continental Europe. However the Ummayads have managed to destroy the Spanish Kingdoms and have started invading Aquitaine which was taken over by a non-Karling monarch thus not alliance protected, at the same time the Abbasids now span from Persia to Maurentia to Georgia They have holy orders because the copt revolt in Egypt triggered their "Crusades have started our core lands are threatened" event chain for the arabs. Anyway the Abbasid death machine then grinds away Armenia & Anatolia from the Byzantines. At this time which is around 980 the pope decides its crusading time because Aquitaine falls to the Ummayads and the Holy Roman Emperor one of the Karlings leads the crusades retakes Aquitaine meaning all of Catholic Europe minus Italy and Moravia are united under the H.R.E however he died from wounds several months after victory after I took control to reasonably re-distribute lands. Defeating the Ummayads was possible because every single holy order in the game spawned. This crusade marked the collapse of the muslim ascendancy, the Abbasids manage to conquer Greece from the Byzantines who now are reduced to Sicily, what follows is the comeback story of the Seljuks. I sorta ignored this but the turks survived and for some reason remain zoroastrian. This meant Seljuk Seljuk spawned as the fiery sword of Zoroastrianism... He quickly conquered Khiva from the Samanids, spawned his 40k unit death stack and I decided this looks fun... at the same time the Shia Caliph rose up in Tunisia who at the same time got a massive revolt that placed a bastard son of the last Caliph on the throne ushering in the Zeydid dynasty, although the Abbasids remained in control of Anatolia. Also the Makedons got couped by the Komnenoi (lol what?) who was the son of a greek muslim, but ended up orthodox. So the Zeydids collapsed spectacularily, The Seljuks who dismantled the Persian muslims states and conquered the entire Persian empire in say twenty years which was cool. He revived the Zoroastrian church, and was declared the Shaoshayant which was really cool. At this point I was wondering if I should stay observer or do nothing I ended up playing as the Byzantine rump state in Sicily and have finally by 1040 retaken all of Greece and pulled Orthodoxy back from the brink and converted one of the rus states.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:32
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Jack2142 posted:I sorta ignored this but the turks survived and for some reason remain zoroastrian. This meant Seljuk Seljuk spawned as the fiery sword of Zoroastrianism... Hmmm...
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Jun 25, 2015 20:47
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Promontory posted:Thanks for the Fraticelli advice. Sadly there's no way to get to Italy in my game: half of it is ruled by the HRE, there's no claims on the Papacy, and nobody from Sicily wants to join my court. I observed the 16-year old king of Sicily get deposed, sent him money and invited him, but nah, he's got no reason to move.
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Jun 25, 2015 21:02
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I did find a way to get things going: if the Sicilian king loses his war and is deposed, I can probably marry him matrilinearly to my emperor's sister. By the time I realized this, I had married her to a Galician prince, so away we go loading the game. CK2 is a lumbering beast, though, and I can only load a game once without getting bugs (crashes, inability to click the map etc.). HRE kept intervening in Sicily, which ruined my plans. Now I finally managed to set things up. I just have to hope that the young king doesn't marry anyone and that the rebellion is successful, what could go wrong? I did park my chancellor on Rome though, but it seems pretty unlikely. "No, you see, the Donation of Constantine? Constantine was actually a Anglo-Saxon king on pilgrimage, so..."
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Jun 25, 2015 22:32
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Crossposting here and in various other places With the heat death of the Landfreiden game (RIP Tricky) we will be starting a new CK2 game. It may or may not be an LP. It may or may not be republics. Game will be starting at 1300GMT on Saturday, but if people could arrive earlier, we might actually be able to start the game at 1300GMT Saturday.
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Jun 26, 2015 03:53
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Schlesische posted:Crossposting here and in various other places rip tricky? what did a poster loving die? man, ya'll take that multiplayer poo poo serious.
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Jun 26, 2015 04:00
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Volkerball posted:rip tricky? what did a poster loving die? man, ya'll take that multiplayer poo poo serious. You win or you die. 
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Jun 26, 2015 04:10
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Ahh I was just thinking that line. What's next for Sonendar?
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Jun 26, 2015 04:11
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DrSunshine posted:You win or you die. always be stabbing is a rule i live my life by
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Jun 26, 2015 04:19
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Shadeoses posted:Ahh I was just thinking that line. Mostly, to fill in all the new provinces -- eight brand new kingdoms with unique cultures and buildings.
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Jun 26, 2015 04:42
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Schlesische posted:Crossposting here and in various other places I'm down for it. It's been a long time since I was in a goon CK2 game. Is it still in the CTS mumble or what?
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Jun 26, 2015 04:49
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If you guys need some music to get inspired for Horse Lords I just found the best thing ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93MIxAf-c
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Jun 26, 2015 14:47
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Groogy posted:If you guys need some music to get inspired for Horse Lords I just found the best thing ever Hell yes. Throat singing makes everything better. I can't wait until we get a Mongol Paradox mega-LP and inevitably go socialist so there will finally be a reason to sing the Internationale using khoomei.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:08
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beefart posted:Hell yes. Throat singing makes everything better. Paradox had better release "Songs of Mongolia" as a DLC to accompany Horse Lords! It just has to! It'd probably be the only music DLC I'd purchase, if it had throat singing and that morin khuur fiddle.
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Jun 26, 2015 15:29
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Andreas Waldetoft throat singing? Fine by me
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Jun 26, 2015 15:46
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This entire covers album is awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2ZVpFL8uqk
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Jun 26, 2015 16:47
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I was thinking more along the lines of something like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FOoo6D0Wes
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Jun 26, 2015 17:00
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You know, after the 83rd consecutive time they sent a raiding party to the shores of Brittania and the only thing that they ever heard from that party again was one or two of its leaders' heads sent back in a box, you'd think the Vikings would take a hint and find somewhere else to raid. But noooo, apparently they have nothing better to do than send thousands of men to die every single spring just to annoy me with having to click a bunch of buttons.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:43
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Eric the Mauve posted:You know, after the 83rd consecutive time they sent a raiding party to the shores of Brittania and the only thing that they ever heard from that party again was one or two of its leaders' heads sent back in a box, you'd think the Vikings would take a hint and find somewhere else to raid. But noooo, apparently they have nothing better to do than send thousands of men to die every single spring just to annoy me with having to click a bunch of buttons. Same, but Abbasids and the Jihads.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:46
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Everybody should just watch Marco Polo to get in the Mongol mood.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:35
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Wouldn't you know it, first Crusade ever and I get to be the target. Thanks Obama. What do Catholics even want with Pomerania, anyway?
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Jun 26, 2015 20:04
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Clanpot Shake posted:Wouldn't you know it, first Crusade ever and I get to be the target. Thanks Obama. What do Catholics even want with Pomerania, anyway? Your supply of tiny dogs.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:07
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