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Zaphod42 posted:There's been a kerfuffle over Destiny, Bungie's latest game lately, because they announced the next DLC/expansion is $40 (twice the cost of the first two) but doesn't quite seem worth it, as well as a $80 collector's edition with several exclusive items you can't get anywhere else. Collector's editions with exclusives are nothing new in gaming, but for a game that's been out a whole year that's kinda messed up. People who are loyal fans who bought the game at launch and got both DLC already would have to buy the game a second time, including both DLC, just to get the exclusives.  Apparently, a flyer being distributed to 7/11 managers. "stages that mirror Red Bull's brand traits of adventure, fun and comaraderie." loving hell.
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Have you seen the stuff red bull sponsor? Adventure and fun are often valid descriptions and lots of their cooperative stuff (fluggtag?) emphasises fun and teamwork. There are worse things to get angry about.
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Jun 25, 2015 10:21
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Cakefool posted:Have you seen the stuff red bull sponsor? Adventure and fun are often valid descriptions and lots of their cooperative stuff (fluggtag?) emphasises fun and teamwork. "Destiny consumers are used to paying a premium for downloadable content similar to this quest" It's pretty bad when even ad execs think you're easy pickings.
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Jun 25, 2015 10:35
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turnways posted:"Destiny consumers are used to paying a premium for downloadable content similar to this quest" Okay I missed that and it's pretty condescending, but the complaint above seemed to be about brand traits.
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Jun 25, 2015 12:00
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turnways posted:"Destiny consumers are used to paying a premium for downloadable content similar to this quest" Except it's true? All new quests so far have been part of $20 DLC packs, so I don't understand what's so double-mega-Hitler bad about offering one for the price of a can of Red Bull. Plus I'm pretty sure the descriptions of 99% of marketing campaigns are exactly as goofy as that, consumers just generally don't get to see them.
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Jun 25, 2015 14:20
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Ryoshi posted:Except it's true? All new quests so far have been part of $20 DLC packs, so I don't understand what's so double-mega-Hitler bad about offering one for the price of a can of Red Bull. Plus I'm pretty sure the descriptions of 99% of marketing campaigns are exactly as goofy as that, consumers just generally don't get to see them. "Dumb moves in marketing" doesn't have to mean ineffective; this is standard stupid gamer crap folks raise a stink about because it's so blatant and highlights the dumbest parts of "gaming culture". I mean check out the quote copy from that Forbes article: quote:“I’m really excited to be a part of this partnership,” said Michael “Flamesword” Chaves, Red Bull eSport athlete. “I love that Red Bull and Destiny have a shared sense of adventure, camaraderie, and pushing boundaries that both brands embody.” Every word of that is funny as hell.
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Jun 25, 2015 14:41
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Yeah, despite the arguments against it enough people are buying into it. It reminds me a bit of the way stuff in Japan is marketed towards Otaku, and usually priced by using the formula "how much money do we want to make and how many people are so broken they'll buy what we put out no matter how much it costs? OK, so that's how much it will be so we make the right number of limited editions"; so you end up with things like a single 20-minute episode of something on a DVD costing $90 or more, TV show seasons costing $250, and some short-run series costing several thousand dollars with no "cheap" edition available; either pay the cost of a tropical vacation or don't watch the thing at all. On a similar note since not everyone knows this: a lot of the first DVD sets to do "full seasons with every episode" in North America (Europe did this much faster) were Sci-Fi stuff that appealed to the right customer base that charging $100+ a season was doable. Hell, in Star Trek's case, they were doing single-episode VHS releases of every episode. We had a store that could get pretty much anything and we had customers special-ordering Deep Space Nine episodes on VHS at $15 a pop. Dude, it's VHS, you can tape it yourself.  Action Comics Vol. 1 is the worst thing that ever happened.
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univbee posted:Deep Space Nine episodes on VHS at $15 a pop I remember staring in disbelief at VHS tapes of single episodes Dragon Ball Z at Suncoast marked $28.99 back in the day. And they flew off the goddamn shelves 
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Jun 25, 2015 15:11
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Come on guys, we're talking about dumb moves in marketing, not moves that keep working because people are broken and hosed up.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:I remember staring in disbelief at VHS tapes of single episodes Dragon Ball Z at Suncoast marked $28.99 back in the day. And they flew off the goddamn shelves I remember owning VHSes of double-episodes of Dragon Ball Z as a kid. They weren't even good episodes, they were filler between the Freiza and Cell sagas. I distinctly remember one of them was the grand mother of 'pointless filler' episodes, the one where Goku and Piccolo learned to drive. They still seemed like a good deal at the time, just because there was no other way to get Dragon Ball Z on demand. Sure it aired every morning before school, but what if I wanted to watch Dragon Ball Z at a different time? Plus those videos came out before the episodes actually aired, so basically it was the smart choice.
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Slime posted:Come on guys, we're talking about dumb moves in marketing, not moves that keep working because people are broken and hosed up. Can't it be both? 
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I don't wanna keep harping on about videogames too much if some people get bothered by baby toys, but since some of you kept posting about it I thought it'd be fun to update: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2015/06/25/bungie-apologizes-to-fans-over-destiny-the-taken-king-dlc-offers-vip-rewards/ Bungie has posted an official apology, including a personal letter from Luke Smith. They're also going to offer the exclusives as DLC now, so everybody pretty much gets what they wanted, except Ebay scalpers I guess. (Its $20 which is pretty crazy overpriced though, that's the cost of the first two DLC expansions. It should be 10 or 15 at most, but whatever, better than having to pay $80 if you want those things.)
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Cleretic posted:I remember owning VHSes of double-episodes of Dragon Ball Z as a kid. They weren't even good episodes, they were filler between the Freiza and Cell sagas. I distinctly remember one of them was the grand mother of 'pointless filler' episodes, the one where Goku and Piccolo learned to drive. Those were the best ones, you got a good deal
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Jun 25, 2015 16:11
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Not the old 'you woo' scam again?! For shame...
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Zaphod42 posted:I don't wanna keep harping on about videogames too much if some people get bothered by baby toys, but since some of you kept posting about it I thought it'd be fun to update: So it's $20 for three new items, three new emoticons, and three new color schemes for your character? That's, uh, more than a little crazy overpriced.
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Jun 25, 2015 16:24
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Apple has started pulling games from the app store which depict the Confederate flag. Including Civil War-era wargames. http://toucharcade.com/2015/06/25/apple-removes-confederate-flag/ quote:It's looking like Apple has pulled everything from the App Store that features a Confederate flag, regardless of context. The reasoning Apple is sending developers is "...because it includes images of the confederate flag used in offensive and mean-spirited ways." Look how mean-spirited and offensive this is:  Waiting for them to pull _Gettysburg_, _Glory_, _Gone With The Wind_, and _Shenandoah_ from the iTunes movie store.
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Phanatic posted:Apple has started pulling games from the app store which depict the Confederate flag. They probably expected to become the target of some sjw campaign. Still pretty dumb, unless they're planning to update the games to use the official confederate flag (stars and bars)
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Jun 25, 2015 18:53
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Commas are important: http://screamer.deadspin.com/banner-urges-englands-world-cup-fans-to-come-on-their-g-1713712446
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Phanatic posted:Commas are important: No, they meant it how they wrote it. 
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Jun 25, 2015 20:15
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That doesn't even make sense as a cheer.
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Phanatic posted:Apple has started pulling games from the app store which depict the Confederate flag. To be fair, that does look like a Confederate offensive advance.
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Jun 25, 2015 21:15
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Don't mind if I do.
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WebDog posted:I recall another early one from the horse armor days that was roundly mocked was some Japanese air-fighting game where there were unique skins based off some anime characters. The kicker was that if no one else had brought the skins only you were able to see your pretty pink plane in deathmatches. It was one of the Ace Combat games.
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Regrettable posted:It was one of the Ace Combat games. Specifically, Ace Combat 6, though there are still animu planes in more recent titles. You like meticulously-researched, true-to-life digital models of fighter jets, right? Well for a dollar more, you can have anime pop idols airbrushed all over that poo poo
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Wheeze posted:Speaking of misguided attempts to appeal to the kids these days, here's Chevy's latest press release: sorry for the chatlog posted:the only thing i can definitely interpret Reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzIcec_bQss GrandpaPants posted:Incorrect. Cleretic posted:I could honestly see a retelling of Romeo and Juliet done entirely by text messages as a silly little art project thing. Not as a serious attempt to appeal to anyone, more just as an experiment with the text and the medium. Zaphod42 posted:
Chaucer is middle: quote:And prively he caughte hire by the queynte, and this is old english: quote:stop feorran to hror haegstealdmon, hof his agen hreagl hondum up, hrand under gyrdels hyre stondendre, stiþes nathwaet, worhte his willan: wagedan buta. The punchline is "churning butter". (Don't wanna ruin the thousand-year-old joke for anybody who hasn't read the Exeter Codex )
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Delivery McGee posted:Yeah, that. Also Shakespeare was pretty much the Seth MacFarlane of his day -- writing lovely plays for trash people. Just because the people talk what we moderns consider fancy doesn't mean Shakespeare was fancy -- his theatre was in the bad part of town and tickets were cheap. C'mon, the dude was performing in person for the Queen and premièring plays at the Inns of Court. And Southwark is hardly a complete shithole as far as Elizabethan London goes.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:C'mon, the dude was performing in person for the Queen and premièring plays at the Inns of Court. And Southwark is hardly a complete shithole as far as Elizabethan London goes. Yeah. I've noticed a lot of people tend to overcorrect for the notion that Shakespeare is super-fancy by insisting that he was super low class and vulgar. But the thing about him was that he wrote for both groups at the same time, so his work would have appeal for people who wanted fancy artistic theatre, but also people who wanted dick jokes. (Edit: people do the same with Joseph Conrad and his racism) GIANT OUIJA BOARD has a new favorite as of 00:38 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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The point is that Shakespeare wasn't an unadulterated pure Artistic Artist For Arty People and translating him into more accessible "lower-class" modes ISN'T some kind of barbarism for stupid people who don't deserve Shakespeare. He was ALWAYS writing for the lower classes even if he wasn't writing JUST for them. edit: and Southwark was not a really nice part of town either - it was where they had prisons and whorehouses and theaters and other unfancy places tbh
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Billy Bard had tons of great lowbrow dirty jokes in his plays, which redeems several of the ones with stupid plots. Love his poems though! But even in those he talks about his girlfriend's breath reeking. 
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The discrepancy is partly because Shakespeare was something of a transitional figure. The theatre before his time was really, really trashy, with acting troupes basically being about on par with buskers. Shakespeare and his contemporaries managed to elevate it into an art form that the upper class could patronize freely without being ashamed.
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So you're saying theatre used to be like most anime, and Shakespeare is Miyazaki? And that the comparison I just made, right now, was really really good? Ok cool
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FutonForensic posted:So you're saying theatre used to be like most anime, and Shakespeare is Miyazaki? And that the comparison I just made, right now, was really really good? Ok cool unironically yeah
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Karma Monkey posted:Love his poems though! But even in those he talks about his girlfriend's breath reeking. Nah, those were the ones about his boyfriend.
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Delivery McGee posted:Nah, those were the ones about his boyfriend. or his son! could go either way
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Delivery McGee posted:Nah, those were the ones about his boyfriend. I think you mean their boyfriends. We all saw "Shakespeare" and know that he was a them.
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Wanamingo posted:So it's $20 for three new items, three new emoticons, and three new color schemes for your character? Hey bro they're just giving the people what they want you nerds are never happy.
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Quick curiosity, does any game other than Arkham Knight and Dead or Alive offer pre-order/exclusive DLC to the public some time later? Or are you just boned if you didn't pre-order/buy on the right system?
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Kuroyama posted:Quick curiosity, does any game other than Arkham Knight and Dead or Alive offer pre-order/exclusive DLC to the public some time later? Or are you just boned if you didn't pre-order/buy on the right system? Some companies are just giving it away a year later. Bioware may have dicked consumers around but they've released all the pre-order freebies for their games down the road.
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XCOM did it but since the preorder bonus was the Guile hair not selling it for everyone would be unthinkable
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