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InsanityIsCrazy posted:The 'nothing' in this case being people losing their jobs over being stupid on the internet. oh dip literal tens of people losing their jobs for being unprofessional on social media. it's freaking twitter war in the streets
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Helsing posted:Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible. the mistake was going in assuming anything but that
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:Isn't that more because sexuality is different for everyone? Not really. Even if someone rejects the hourglass figure that's the current ideal in the US, most of Europe, and Japan, they still understand that to be sexy. And that's what virtually every female character in fighting games, barring literal children, has, along with a revealing costume that highlights sexuality. Even a character like Sakura that's on the low end of this scale still gets bigger boobs and a wider midriff when translated to merchandise.
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Hadaka Apron posted:Doing a web series on misogyny in video games and ignoring Other M is like doing a series on racism in film and ignoring Birth of a Nation, if Birth of a Nation had come out only a decade ago and ruined one of cinema's most iconic characters. Indeed. It is a perfect jumping off point because it can introduce people to basic concepts they haven't been exposed to, like agency and how it affects characters and perceptions of those characters. You could use Other M as your primer and jump off from there.
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paranoid randroid posted:i cant beleive youd completely gently caress up the Beautiful Little Strawman meme like this Yea my bad, I forgot what the leading word was.
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Helsing posted:Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible. It's glorious isn't it 
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Effectronica posted:Not really. Even if someone rejects the hourglass figure that's the current ideal in the US, most of Europe, and Japan, they still understand that to be sexy. And that's what virtually every female character in fighting games, barring literal children, has, along with a revealing costume that highlights sexuality. Even a character like Sakura that's on the low end of this scale still gets bigger boobs and a wider midriff when translated to merchandise.
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paranoid randroid posted:oh dip literal tens of people losing their jobs for being unprofessional on social media. it's freaking twitter war in the streets http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/m6x28o/jon-ronson
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Helsing posted:Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible.  Twitter is the absolute worst way to have a discussion and people keep doing it. 140 characters isn't enough to discuss anything more complicated than cake vs. pie (its pie btw), but people keep doing it. And all you can do is basically curse at the other person, or block them. It is why I don't have a twitter account at all.
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Effectronica posted:That is exactly what you said. That it is necessary to disclose personal relationships because they are a corrupting influence on "objectivity". This in turn suggests that human relationships are inherently corrupt, conflates human contact with the buying of reviews that goes on overtly and covertly, and which everyone knew was going on before they decided to come down on the evil left-wingers, and concludes that trust is impossible. In short, you've never, ever thought about what slips from your lips unceasingly. Nope. It is important for "neutral" parties, i.e. reviewers to disclose conflicts of interests. It's not a big deal and is extremely common in all media. I don't even get what is so controversial about it. "Hey I'm reviewing my friends game, and I think it's great and you should buy it" vs "Hey this game is great and you should buy it." Do you really not see the difference?
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Helsing posted:Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible.
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Helsing posted:Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible. David Auerbach wrote a great article on how Twitter ruins everything: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2014/10/twitter_is_broken_gamergate_proves_it.html He's one of the only authors who I feel has covered Gamergate well. I'm not sure whether he considers himself neutral or moderately anti-GG (he's definitely not a supporter) but most of the antis that I know despise him.
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Helsing posted:Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible. Hahaha, that's the sort of attitude most people here have had and should have towards it. When you see someone sincerely trying to argue one side it gets ridiculous. So many goons have fully jumped onto the twitter war thing and, eh.
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I started following it later, but Hellthread never seemed especially pro- or anti-GG. It seemed more like everyone was just enjoying watching the slow motion train wreck.
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Effectronica posted:Not really. Even if someone rejects the hourglass figure that's the current ideal in the US, most of Europe, and Japan, they still understand that to be sexy. And that's what virtually every female character in fighting games, barring literal children, has, along with a revealing costume that highlights sexuality. Even a character like Sakura that's on the low end of this scale still gets bigger boobs and a wider midriff when translated to merchandise. With the current microscope focused on character sexuality, it's almost impossible for game developers to make a female character that someone, somewhere on social media will not boycott for either appearance, personality, or their role in the story. There is a laser focus on problematic design but nobody has really offered constructive criticism other than "it's sexist." I don't see why devs bother if their artistic decisions do nothing but cause backlash. And yes, merchandise does focus on what sells the most. Then again, that's basically the same market as body pillows, so while creepy it's not entirely new.
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Helsing posted:Kinda funny to see people complaining about "identity politics" when that is exactly what Gamergate seems to amount to; it's identity politics for people who somehow identify with "gaming culture". Gamer Culture is poo poo, and no one should give a gently caress about it and thankfully that isn't what gamergate is though it is convenient for cultural critics to boil everything down to identity politics and then condemn something based on their flawed conclusions.
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I said come in! posted:Geralt in Witcher 3 was another really great character that Anita and McIntosh should have been praising but were too retarded to read the character. They kept (really just McIntosh) claiming that Geralt had no emotions and was angry all the time. The day I read those series of Tweets, I also played Witcher 3, not more then 30 minutes after reading those Tweets in fact. And then within minutes of that was a cut scene where Geralt shows concern for a female character that he views very highly of, and then another cutscene where he displays humor and tries to talk another character out of fighting him.
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unlimited shrimp posted:I started following it later, but Hellthread never seemed especially pro- or anti-GG. It seemed more like everyone was just enjoying watching the slow motion train wreck. I felt that the general consensus was that both sides are terrible, but the antis were funnier because they were hypocrites while the pros were terrible and more honest about it.
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unlimited shrimp posted:I started following it later, but Hellthread never seemed especially pro- or anti-GG. It seemed more like everyone was just enjoying watching the slow motion train wreck. I really wish there had been more gamers.txt in there so I'm hopeful for this new thread.
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Helsing posted:Well, after perusing this thread and googling a few of the names and terms used I've concluded that this is the stupidest thing ever. Jesus loving Christ twitter is terrible. Wait until you hear about the rabbit hole that is Peter Coffin lol.
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Palpek posted:But on the other hand that reviewer didn't review her game so the disclosure wasn't necessary. The whole thing stands on a giant strawman of 'what if' which was only needed so that a couple of toxic gaming communities could release their personal feelings of frustration onto something. These feelings happened to be mostly the fear of women which is a plague among lonely gamer nerds and Zoe was the perfect "vapid, evil, cheating ex" target. The rest is history. Who?
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identity politics and, hell, cultural marxism even
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poptart_fairy posted:Hahaha, that's the sort of attitude most people here have had and should have towards it. When you see someone sincerely trying to argue one side it gets ridiculous. So many goons have fully jumped onto the twitter war thing and, eh. To be honest, I don't give two shits about ethics in game journalism. Its like trying to take the NRA out of Guns and Ammo. It is not going to happen. Besides, if it doesn't stay terrible, how will I laugh at 'games journalists'? Also, it was recently revealed that less than 3% of people use game reviews to make a purchase. It is all YouTube and word of mouth nowadays. Gaming sites are the walking dead at this point. There's no real point to reforming 'gaming journalism' when it is at the end of its run. I honestly take recommendations for buying stuff in the Games `forum over any reviewer. I can't ever recall buying something based off a game review except to see if it would melt my computer or not. unlimited shrimp posted:I started following it later, but Hellthread never seemed especially pro- or anti-GG. It seemed more like everyone was just enjoying watching the slow motion train wreck. Yup, pretty much this.
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Can someone clear something up for me? Were there PoCs in medieval Bohemia or not?
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Dapper Dan posted:Twitter is the absolute worst way to have a discussion and people keep doing it. 140 characters isn't enough to discuss anything more complicated than cake vs. pie (its pie btw), but people keep doing it. And all you can do is basically curse at the other person, or block them. It is why I don't have a twitter account at all.
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The Quinn situation was entirely the Streisand Effect. IIRC some idiots on reddit were discussing it and suddenly some 10,000 comments were mass deleted, supposedly because Quinn had a guy on the inside. I think it happened on other forums too? Iunno but it was a dumb thing to do. Kinda like Warner Bros. ceasing production of the Dukes' General Lee merchandise because of a certain flag 
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Dapper Dan posted:To be honest, I don't give two shits about ethics in game journalism. Its like trying to take the NRA out of Guns and Ammo. It is not going to happen. If it doesn't stay terrible, how will I laugh at 'games journalists'? You tubers get advanced looks at games I return for positive reviews. Clearly, this is all the fault of women who don't think getting cheevos for virtual sex is an awesome idea.
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Meme Emulator posted:Can someone clear something up for me? Were there PoCs in medieval Bohemia or not? everyones the same color when youre all always covered in poo poo and misery until you die
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I said come in! posted:The thing I don't like is that her Women vs. Tropes video series, the entire thesis is that sexism in video games will cause more sexism in society. There is no research to support this and it's worrying that she refuses to cite the research she is getting this from. She has no authority or credibility to make the claims she does. People should understand that the extent of her research is cherry picking examples from games. If people aren't influenced by media then where the hell did anyone get the notion that cumming on somebody's face is a remotely normal thing to do
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Meme Emulator posted:Can someone clear something up for me? Were there PoCs in medieval Bohemia or not? There weren't. The argument that Witcher 3 has to have PoC in the game is really stupid either way. Not having them isn't racist. It doesn't mean anything.
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I said come in! posted:There weren't. The argument that Witcher 3 has to have PoC in the game is really stupid either way. Not having them isn't racist. It doesn't mean anything. Wrong controversy!!! This is a different RPG made by eastern europeans that I forget the name of
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Meme Emulator posted:Can someone clear something up for me? Were there PoCs in medieval Bohemia or not? Probably. I mean, you likely had some folks of Turkish, Mongol, and Jewish descent in the area
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Dapper Dan posted:To be honest, I don't give two shits about ethics in game journalism. Its like trying to take the NRA out of Guns and Ammo. It is not going to happen. Besides, if it doesn't stay terrible, how will I laugh at 'games journalists'? Many Youtubers will disclose too. Something like "so and so company sent me this game so I'm going to review it for you." That's it. TB will even overtly refuse to review some games because of his politics, which is also a form of journalistic ethics. It's a minor thing but important to avoid the appearance of impropriety.
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Meme Emulator posted:Wrong controversy!!! This is a different RPG made by eastern europeans that I forget the name of That would be Kingdom Come: Deliverance, I think.
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rudatron posted:He's a gruff dude in the same vein of McClane or JC Denton. It's a valid character type, you can't really point fo anything he does and say 'yeah that's super sexist' (not that I know of anyone (no spoilers)). He's a lot more expressive than most gruff protagonists. His entire character arc in the story revolves around his adopted daughter and how his, his partner's, and other adults' decisions do or do not inculcate a sense of responsibility and agency in her. It was one of the best displays of parenthood in a game alongside The Last of Us and far more nuanced than that game.
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gently caress, people take poo poo seriously in this thread. Bring back hellthread please!
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Sinnlos posted:Probably. I mean, you likely had some folks of Turkish, Mongol, and Jewish descent in the area Sorry im specifically referring to African princes and Sihks
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Sinnlos posted:Probably. I mean, you likely had some folks of Turkish, Mongol, and Jewish descent in the area if were talking early middle ages, the radhanites passed through there on their trade routes
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Meme Emulator posted:Can someone clear something up for me? Were there PoCs in medieval Bohemia or not? Well according to a twitter nerd there were, and according to a Bohemian man and the history people he hired they weren't. So I guess the truth is in the middle or something..
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