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Dapper Dan posted:As was stated many times in Hellthread, GG is Luigi in Mario Party standing still, doing absolutely nothing while the opponents win the game for him. And also, I have no loving idea how anyone trusts Polygon in the least after that Rock Band debacle where the guy basically admitted to not doing his job and basically telling his editor to go gently caress himself (polygon editors lol). Hey if you count Brienne Wu as anti you need to still count Saggon and the Kain cosplayer guy as GG. Luigi jumps off the stage on his own plenty of times. It's more like two children closing their eyes and punching at eachother but coming nowhere close to hitting. Then they both end up hurting their arms.
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I said come in! posted:All female characters need to be fully clothed and can't show any skin what so ever or it's sexist as gently caress and oppressive to women all over the world. It is when every single female character is pretty explicitly designed to be j/o material.
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theres a wide variety of highly empowering fetishes you can chose from, in your titty-lady fighter games
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Spinning Robo posted:Could any game character in any game actually be empowering, if any choice of design or personality can be waved away with "well it's not the character deciding that"? Yes, but not in the ways people usually present them as empowering. Or you can make characters that the player has a lot of role in designing and giving personality, which can be empowering in that way. I said come in! posted:Except by your own argument earlier, this isn't valid because it's a fictional character. So according to you it only applies to male characters? Don't use words like "argument" when you're plainly too stupid to know what they mean. Also, that's not what I argued. In fact, these are facets of the same argument, but it is as beyond you as geometry is beyond a gecko. Shadoer posted:Yes because it's way better to just make up poo poo about history to make us feel better? Actually, there were black people in Europe in the Middle Ages, so saying that there absolutely were none in Bohemia at any point is an example of racism or ignorance. But beyond the factual level, the emphasis on historical accuracy when it comes to making all-white environments, sexist environments, etc. is plainly a consequence of bigotry. Also, calling the Turkish-made video game "Mount and Blade" "making poo poo up about history to make us feel better" because it has black NPCs in its thinly-veiled fantasy medieval Europe is grotesque.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Hey if you count Brienne Wu as anti you need to still count Saggon and the Kain cosplayer guy as GG. Luigi jumps off the stage on his own plenty of times. It's more like two children closing their eyes and punching at eachother but coming nowhere close to hitting. Then they both end up hurting their arms. Yeah, I'd have to agree that both sides have more own goals than regular goals.
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Meme Emulator posted:Thank goodness they are, and that Capcom sells character packs, because I enjoy dressing up women with no agency into whatever outfits I desire as if they were my own personal dollies. They're not real women. They're only polygons.
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Remember kids, sex is bad and only men enjoy the female form.Archer666 posted:They're not real women. They're only polygons. neither are the men, neither are anything. Yet people still claim how this and that is about what agenda.
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Sinnlos posted:Yeah Ryu, Ken, M Bison, Sub Zero, Solid Snake, Poison, ect. aren't sexualized at all you're right. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 26, 2015 17:13
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Body sliders are the way of the future for gaming diversity.
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Sinnlos posted:It is when every single female character is pretty explicitly designed to be j/o material. Except it's not every single female character, actually it's none at all. Clothing choices doesn't equal jack off material. If you're drawing that conclusion that is entirely on you.
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Bholder posted:Remember kids, sex is bad and only men enjoy the female form. Nobody is going to come to your house and delete your spank bank of Mai Shiranui hentee, and nobody would take "Chun-Li has enormous boobs and gigantic thighs to appeal to lesbians" seriously if it weren't a way to justify the male gaze.
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Jun 26, 2015 17:14
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I said come in! posted:Except it's not every single female character, actually it's none at all. Clothing choices doesn't equal jack off material. If you're drawing that conclusion that is entirely on you. I think we're traipsing back into "character deaths making sex sounds" territory...
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Bholder posted:Remember kids, sex is bad and only men enjoy the female form. Oh, street fighter's character designs were done by a woman rather than a dude projecting his fetishes and power fantasies?
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Nice. gently caress you.
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Sinnlos posted:Oh, street fighter's character designs were done by a woman rather than a dude projecting his fetishes and power fantasies? Everything humans have ever done was motivated by desire for sex or fear of death.
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Sinnlos posted:Oh, street fighter's character designs were done by a woman rather than a dude projecting his fetishes and power fantasies? There are female artists that have worked on the Street Fighter games, same for Bayonetta.
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Mostly I just hate moviebob. Also the moment you realize to can build a viking rape harem in crusader kings 2 and nobody gave a poo poo, social commentary on games becomes a farce. EDIT-also pretty much all the death threats are fake and give the Trolls what they want.
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Effectronica posted:Yes, but not in the ways people usually present them as empowering. Or you can make characters that the player has a lot of role in designing and giving personality, which can be empowering in that way. If I make a woman character in saints row 4 who does nothing but run down the street naked, is that empowering? How is it different from Bayonetta other than that I, personally, said it's empowering?
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Effectronica posted:Don't use words like "argument" when you're plainly too stupid to know what they mean. Also, that's not what I argued. In fact, these are facets of the same argument, but it is as beyond you as geometry is beyond a gecko. You said no fictional characters have agency, you said no diversity can exist among fictional characters because they are made by the artist. You can't say your argument applies to male characters and then decide to have it not apply to female characters as well.
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Sinnlos posted:Oh, street fighter's character designs were done by a woman rather than a dude projecting his fetishes and power fantasies? Does it matter?
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Zombiejack posted:Mostly I just hate moviebob. why is that?
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Bholder posted:Does it matter? It doesn't. Posters like Effectronica trying to argue artist intent have no idea what they are talking about.
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somehow this thread is moving faster than anything concerning SCOTUS that's the power of Gamergate
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I said come in! posted:Clothing choices doesn't equal jack off material. If you're drawing that conclusion that is entirely on you. its not a sex thing that this fighters outfit has her boobs hanging out all over the place. its a conscious choice she, as a pixel person who i invented, made.
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I said come in! posted:There are female artists that have worked on the Street Fighter games, same for Bayonetta. Amazing, this ability to consistently hire only lesbian and bisexual women (and women who appreciate women's butts "artistically") to design these characters, and this apparent universal love for fighting games among QUILTBAG women. Spinning Robo posted:If I make a woman character in saints row 4 who does nothing but run down the street naked, is that empowering? How is it different from Bayonetta other than that I, personally, said it's empowering? It's empowering if you find it empowering, so it's not empowering at all because you made it up to make a dumbass remark. Because the sorts of things people claim Bayonetta supports are things that are a matter of people's choices and decisions, which SR4 supports in a way that Bayonetta does not. I said come in! posted:You said no fictional characters have agency, you said no diversity can exist among fictional characters because they are made by the artist. You can't say your argument applies to male characters and then decide to have it not apply to female characters as well. I didn't say any of those things, and if this is the level of delusion hellthreaders operate under, it may be the case that only kicking the bucket will prove an effective treatment for their insanity.
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So why do these critics want to alter the design and creative choices other people make that they don't like, rather then promoting or funding games that are being made they do like? This entire thing is trying to shame people for enjoying things a small subset of left wing puritans don't approve of and trying to coerce developers to bend to the sensibilities of a loud minority, over the heads of people who like things as they are.
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Totalizator posted:So why do these critics want to alter the design and creative choices other people make that they don't like, rather then promoting or funding games that are being made they do like? This entire thing is trying to shame people for enjoying things a small subset of left wing puritans don't approve of and trying to coerce developers to bend to the sensibilities of a loud minority, over the heads of people who like things as they are. Probably because sexism exists because we create it continuously, and eliminating it will mean stopping the creation of it, and because you have a huge persecution complex that only a little lead pill or fifty will cure. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Effectronica posted:I didn't say any of those things, and if this is the level of delusion hellthreaders operate under, it may be the case that only kicking the bucket will prove an effective treatment for their insanity. "I'm a literal child that can't accept different views of the world." How does it feel to be an adult that hasn't progressed beyond the age of 16?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:why is that? Everything he says is poo poo and he's loving annoying Because Batman punching crimminals in the face is no where near as bad as building a rape harem. Trolls love attention.
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I said come in! posted:"I'm a literal child that can't accept different views of the world." And now you're arguing that treating mental disorders is childish! Will you stop yourself before you start talking about how the Jew is a pestilence on humanity?
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Effectronica posted:Probably because sexism exists because we create it continuously, and eliminating it will mean stopping the creation of it, and because you have a huge persecution complex that only a little lead pill or fifty will cure. I assure you those critics are very sexist, in the traditional sense of the word.
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Effectronica posted:Probably because sexism exists because we create it continuously, and eliminating it will mean stopping the creation of it, and because you have a huge persecution complex that only a little lead pill or fifty will cure. No, it doesn't loving work that way, but thanks for trying.
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Effectronica posted:And now you're arguing that treating mental disorders is childish! Will you stop yourself before you start talking about how the Jew is a pestilence on humanity? At least we got it out of the way that you have a mental disorder.
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I said come in! posted:At least we got it out of the way that you have a mental disorder. says the dude with up-to-the-minute feeds on the activities of marginal gamergate people of note
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Totalizator posted:So why do these critics want to alter the design and creative choices other people make that they don't like, rather then promoting or funding games that are being made they do like? This entire thing is trying to shame people for enjoying things a small subset of left wing puritans don't approve of and trying to coerce developers to bend to the sensibilities of a loud minority, over the heads of people who like things as they are. Promoting and funding games is too much effort. Surprisingly, the games they claim to support end up selling terribly and the studios often go extinct. Then the studio devs gleefully take to social media to spit on the audience they were supposed to be catering, for reasons that escape most people.
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Totalizator posted:I assure you those critics are very sexist, in the traditional sense of the word. I assure you that your conservatism will be swallowed up by the fundamental power of chaos and repurposed into something new. I assure you that nobody said the thing that you talked about in this thread, and probably not ever anywhere. I assure you that the LORD your God is descending with the lightning of his terrible swift sword. Bholder posted:No, it doesn't loving work that way, but thanks for trying. You're supposed to meet effort with effort in this forum. Just saying words to the vague effect of "sexism exists independently of any person, because it's magic" is not enough.
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Zombiejack posted:Everything he says is poo poo and he's loving annoying I ment the bob part and i agree. Bob Is lonely sad man who wrote long meadering book about how the reveal of one of super Mario games was his generational defining moment. He hates all fps games even games that are just first person and not shooters because its for dudebros and jocks. https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/329260668542939136 here is josh esrb rant. i goes on for several posts.
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paranoid randroid posted:says the dude with up-to-the-minute feeds on the activities of marginal gamergate people of note I missed this kind of back-and-forth. Even Tezzor gets boring after the wrestling jokes subside.
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