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If they depicted women in outfits that actually represented professional fighters they would be even more naked and sexualized. Minimal spandex is pretty much the norm in fighting sports, adding that much costume is a cover-up if anything, not a blatant sexualization.
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natetimm posted:If they depicted women in outfits that actually represented professional fighters they would be even more naked and sexualized. Minimal spandex is pretty much the norm in fighting sports, adding that much costume is a cover-up if anything, not a blatant sexualization. Im starting to think the people who make these arguments just dont get aroused by womens clothes that much. Pretty much every outfit worn by every fighting game char is incredibly sexy.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:08
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Dapper Dan posted:Just a friendly reminder to not-hellthread, don't take this as an extremely serious issue. This topic is like the Lovecraft tome of the internet. The longer you stare into it and rant at people, you risk going down the path of cardboard box a and spacedad. Down that path lies madness. It was tactical genius to pit the kooks of hellthread against the blood-crazed loonies of D&D. This is the royal rumble Tezzor wanted.
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natetimm posted:If they depicted women in outfits that actually represented professional fighters they would be even more naked and sexualized. Minimal spandex is pretty much the norm in fighting sports, adding that much costume is a cover-up if anything, not a blatant sexualization. I wrestled. Singlets aren't flattering no matter what bits and bobs you have attached, and they are not designed to emphasize sexual characteristics.
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Hello nu-hellthread. Let's have another 2000 pages of funposting 
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natetimm posted:It depends on the region, the time and the setting. Are you aware the game in question hired actual historians (not internet activists) to consult? Okay, so are you willing to outline the exact regions, times, setttings where it would be a crime against history to have a black person in the game, so that I can make them and hopefully give you a fatal heart attack? natetimm posted:If they depicted women in outfits that actually represented professional fighters they would be even more naked and sexualized. Minimal spandex is pretty much the norm in fighting sports, adding that much costume is a cover-up if anything, not a blatant sexualization. If just seeing naked flesh constitutes sexualization to you, you may have a serious sexual dysfunction. Do you get a boner from Botticelli?
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:It was tactical genius to pit the kooks of hellthread against the blood-crazed loonies of D&D. This is the royal rumble Tezzor wanted. lol @ this guy getting the vapors over an effectronica post
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natetimm posted:If they depicted women in outfits that actually represented professional fighters they would be even more naked and sexualized. Minimal spandex is pretty much the norm in fighting sports, adding that much costume is a cover-up if anything, not a blatant sexualization. Yes clothing is never used to emphasize sexuality and lead paint is delicious
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natetimm posted:If they depicted women in outfits that actually represented professional fighters they would be even more naked and sexualized. Minimal spandex is pretty much the norm in fighting sports, adding that much costume is a cover-up if anything, not a blatant sexualization. Really, we should be demanding that EA & the UFC change their video game representation of the overly sexualized female fighters.  The sexual objectification of Ronda Rousey in this game is atrocious.
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Meme Emulator posted:Im starting to think the people who make these arguments just dont get aroused by womens clothes that much. Pretty much every outfit worn by every fighting game char is incredibly sexy. Yeah they seem to be operating under a bee boop "more exposed flesh=more sexy" approach.
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Meme Emulator posted:Im starting to think the people who make these arguments just dont get aroused by womens clothes that much. Pretty much every outfit worn by every fighting game char is incredibly sexy.  I dont know man...
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There's nothing wrong with saying, on the internet, that you want to murder someone in horrible ways, like the fact that I'm saying that I want to crucify you Roman-style, where you're fed and watered and eventually die from exhaustion and exposure after a matter of weeks, well, that's just on the internet, it's not real. Or it wouldn't be real if I was firmly on the right wing.
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Homicidal leftists. I love 'em!
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Effectronica posted:Okay, so are you willing to outline the exact regions, times, setttings where it would be a crime against history to have a black person in the game, so that I can make them and hopefully give you a fatal heart attack? SO now it's not even an issue of sexualization any more, it's an issue of taste. "Dont show me a frilly boob, show me a spandex boob, I have refined tastes!"
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Effectronica posted:Okay, the argument here, Disinterested, is over whether having black people in Medieval Europe would be contrary to history and make a game anti-historical. What is your opinion on this question? Before the 1500's style era, I think it's not inconsistent historically to have a very limited racial presence in terms of characters, although there is scope for inclusion in the context of city life and port/naval life. But this depends on setting - if you're depicting medieval villages in buttfuck nowhere is different to a medieval royal court, and is different again from, say, Italy or Spain or the Eastern Empire where awareness was much greater. It also doesn't preclude dealing with the Other in non-character contexts: of course, everyone in Europe knows who Moors are vaguely, and that other religions exist, and has quite possibly been told something about them in a church setting. I'm generally for the inclusion of more rather than fewer POC in games, though, I just think the best way would be to do it by exploring the differences in the way different people see Others in different times and situations. So with the Witcher example, I think Nilfgaard is an enormous wasted opportunity. I think you miss the chance to see how when a big multi-ethnic empire invades a small provincial kingdom, the big empire can be cosmopolitanising as well as oppressive, particularly when you take in to account the fact that the Nilfgaardian empire is not a direct emulation of Germany, but actually includes Roman references. The Empire will use the harnessed economic and military power of its subject peoples to kick your poo poo in, and it will possibly have a more expansive and inclusive idea of Others than your small kingdom, albeit one geared towards conquest.
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Archer666 posted:
King is a babe.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Really, we should be demanding that EA & the UFC change their video game representation of the overly sexualized female fighters. Hmmm yes you're right an actual woman choosing to dress a certain way so as to better participate in a combat sport is the same as a dude drawing a fight lady in a short skirt
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Meme Emulator posted:GG has largely dissolved aside from a large contingent of diehards on 8chan, and the antis are just shadowboxing with twitter trolls at the moment. Since teh antis have increasingly had fewer and fewer people to fight with theyve just started yelling loudly to anyone who will listen. It hasn't dissolved so much as everyone involved with it has gotten kind of bored and they aren't posting about it as much, mainly because there just isn't much left to talk about. Also, a few GGers actually got jobs as a result of this (most notably Lizzyf620 and Jennie Bharaj) so they have something else to occupy their time now. Meme Emulator posted:Just because the genre is popular doesnt mean the games themselves are worthy of praise. If a hidden object game were ever rolled out with the charm, or the humor, or the production values of something liek Phoenix Wright then it might be a different story. Modern AAA FPS games are also almost 100% shovelware, but those get plenty of promotion.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:13
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The onyl King worth talking about wears a tiger mask and does wrestling moves.
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Effectronica posted:
People in Europe knew there are some black people there somewhere from biblical stories, the early depictions in paintings and sculptures from 12th century or so are very interesting though, because a lot of artists apparently have never seen an African in person until late 1400s. Pyromancer fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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Effectronica posted:Okay, so are you willing to outline the exact regions, times, setttings where it would be a crime against history to have a black person in the game, so that I can make them and hopefully give you a fatal heart attack? Alright, but can you name a time in Europe before the 18th century where a black person could go to Europe and not be hassled with the following questions "Did a gypsy put a curse on you to make you black?" "Are you a witch?" "You must be a worshiper of the moon god Muhammad! Please accept Christianity!" "Are you a savage from the south?" "Are you a Turk?"
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Effectronica posted:There's nothing wrong with saying, on the internet, that you want to murder someone in horrible ways, like the fact that I'm saying that I want to crucify you Roman-style, where you're fed and watered and eventually die from exhaustion and exposure after a matter of weeks, well, that's just on the internet, it's not real. Or it wouldn't be real if I was firmly on the right wing. Ave, true to Caesar!
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Literally The Worst posted:Hmmm yes you're right an actual woman choosing to dress a certain way so as to better participate in a combat sport is the same as a dude drawing a fight lady in a short skirt Those filthy men drawing and oppressing imaginary women!
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I mean sure there are a lot of sexualized streetfighter characters, but apparently one of the ones that isn't, actually is? 
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natetimm posted:SO now it's not even an issue of sexualization any more, it's an issue of taste. "Dont show me a frilly boob, show me a spandex boob, I have refined tastes!" Do you think that the Birth of Venus was meant to give someone a boner? Or every time a Madonna and Child shows Mary nursing, you were meant to spank it to her exposed breast? Disinterested posted:Before the 1500's style era, I think it's not inconsistent historically to have a very limited racial presence in terms of characters, although there is scope for inclusion in the context of city life and port/naval life. But this depends on setting - if you're depicting medieval villages in buttfuck nowhere is different to a medieval royal court, and is different again from, say, Italy or Spain or the Eastern Empire where awareness was much greater. Okay, well I agree that there's nothing wrong with having a game where there aren't any black people that's set in Medieval Europe. 
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Pyromancer posted:People in Europe knew there are some black people there somewhere from biblical stories, the depictions in paintings and sculptures are very interesting though, because a lot of artists apparently have never seen an African in person until late 1400s or so. Similar thing in art happened with China. You basically had a bunch of artists attempting to depict what China was like with never having seen it and only going off the stories travelers whom claimed to have visited it told. They came up with some pretty funky stuff.
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natetimm posted:Those filthy men drawing and oppressing imaginary women! Noted retard natetimm responding to arguments nobody made, at 11
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Effectronica posted:Do you think that the Birth of Venus was meant to give someone a boner? Or every time a Madonna and Child shows Mary nursing, you were meant to spank it to her exposed breast? Why do you think camp and video games were designed specifically for masturbation? Is there a hobby you have you would like to share?
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Literally The Worst posted:Hmmm yes you're right an actual woman choosing to dress a certain way so as to better participate in a combat sport is the same as a dude drawing a fight lady in a short skirt That image is of a video game character designed specifically in that way by a mostly male video game design team, not someone in real life. Please tell me you can tell the difference, or have video games gotten so realistic you can't? 
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INH5 posted:Modern AAA FPS games are also almost 100% shovelware, but those get plenty of promotion. Yes but the genre was given legitimacy by previous good titles. Something like that doesnt exist for hidden object games
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I don't believe there is a female equivalent character to E. Honda, Rufus, and Hugo. I don't think the Ivy's and Chun Li's should go away, but I would be totally down for playing a lady Rufus.
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Shadoer posted:Similar thing in art happened with China. I especially like how they drew animals they never saw. 
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Unfunny Poster posted:That image is of a video game character designed specifically in that way by a mostly male video game design team, not someone in real life. That SVU episode was a documentary. Tell Your Children!
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Unfunny Poster posted:That image is of a video game character designed specifically in that way by a mostly male video game design team, not someone in real life. A video game character that is literally just not real person Ronda Rousey, totally the same as a bunch of dudes going yeah and then this lady should have big tits and a short skirt
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natetimm posted:Why do you think camp and video games were designed specifically for masturbation? Is there a hobby you have you would like to share? That's not what I said. I'm starting to suspect that you're angry and mentally handicapped. Unfunny Poster posted:That image is of a video game character designed specifically in that way by a mostly male video game design team, not someone in real life.  Weird. It looks like you're saying something really stupid and condescending. Can you give five reasons why someone shouldn't dome your worthless rear end right now?
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Shadoer posted:Alright, but can you name a time in Europe before the 18th century where a black person could go to Europe and not be hassled with the following questions Various Spanish kingdoms, because they had a huge Moorish population. Then by extension France because they were Spain's next-door neighbor. I'm willing to give you most of the German states though.
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Hadaka Apron posted:I especially like how they drew animals they never saw. There are very accurate drawings that are done of animals not seen by the artist, too.
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Effectronica posted:There's nothing wrong with saying, on the internet, that you want to murder someone in horrible ways, like the fact that I'm saying that I want to crucify you Roman-style, where you're fed and watered and eventually die from exhaustion and exposure after a matter of weeks, well, that's just on the internet, it's not real. Or it wouldn't be real if I was firmly on the right wing. You are going to get fat with having all this cake and eating it too, you know. who am I kidding, you are most likely fat already
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