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Effectronica posted:That's not what I said. I'm starting to suspect that you're angry and mentally handicapped. Every single post you have made in this thread is calling someone who doesn't agree with you, mentally handicapped. It's almost as if I was 110% correct about you be a literal child.
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Effectronica posted:That's not what I said. I'm starting to suspect that you're angry and mentally handicapped. Stop harassing us! We're going to leave our homes in fear!
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Effectronica posted:That's not what I said. I'm starting to suspect that you're angry and mentally handicapped. Effectronica posted:You're supposed to meet effort with effort in this forum
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I said come in! posted:Every single post you have made in this thread is calling someone who doesn't agree with you, mentally handicapped. It's almost as if I was 110% correct about you be a literal child. Stop signing your posts
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Jun 26, 2015 18:20
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Effectronica posted:Do you think that the Birth of Venus was meant to give someone a boner? Or every time a Madonna and Child shows Mary nursing, you were meant to spank it to her exposed breast? I took 3 Art History classes in college, so I feel I am qualified to say that yes, the Birth of Venus was absolutely intended to give people boners. Madonna and Child probably not officially, since Mary is basically the mascot for "Mother Church," but it would not surprise me if some of the artists intended them that way because, seriously, Renaissance painters were a bunch of perverts.
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natetimm posted:Stop harassing us! We're going to leave our homes in fear! I'm triggered right now.
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I am curious, however, under what circumstances a "sexualized" character would be acceptable if created by a female, uh, creator. Everyone seems to be bouncing back and forth between the fictional/not fictional thing and I don't see any actual criteria getting talked about.
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That is exactly what I am doing. None of those posts had effort put into them. I'm sorry you are unable to recognize that.
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I refuse to play the next street fighter game unless at least one of the new characters in the next version is a wheelchair bound obese woman of color suffering from dwarfism. Anything beyond the sort will be all different kinds of "-ists" that I will have to tweet incessantly about and blog about and... Someone will have to explain to me why there is all this weird "protective" argumentation surround whether or not it is harmful to individuals or groups for Chun Li in SF to have C cups versus B cups or whatever. The outrage is very stupid. The reaction to "video game big boob harm" is stupid but less so because Chun Li having a nice rack is not the reason people play SF. God damnit the last thread was funny and talking about this seriously really saps the fun out of it. loving with Bon and Tezzor and Autist/AK were the highlights. Ah well. Goodbye old friend.
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turnways posted:I don't believe there is a female equivalent character to E. Honda, Rufus, and Hugo. I don't think the Ivy's and Chun Li's should go away, but I would be totally down for playing a lady Rufus. I too would appreciate that. Lack of stylistic options is a poison in the video game industry. Unfortunately it affects almost every aspect of it. Take the "indie" games scene full of walking simulators that all same some sort of student film "deep" message blatantly spelled out for you. It's be nice if occasionally walking simulators had something interesting happen in them.
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Hey, so what's D&D's take on Feminist Frequency being hijacked by her male writer and driving the proverbial car off the cliff in an anti-violence tirade like some sort of Thelma and Louise tribute?
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Terrible Opinions posted:I too would appreciate that. Lack of stylistic options is a poison in the video game industry. Unfortunately it affects almost every aspect of it. Take the "indie" games scene full of walking simulators that all same some sort of student film "deep" message blatantly spelled out for you. It's be nice if occasionally walking simulators had something interesting happen in them. I dump the blame directly on the back of Dear Esther. That game proved that you do not need to do anything interesting, or anything at all, to get the twitter indie tastemaker clique to heap praise on your game.
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poptart_fairy posted:I am curious, however, under what circumstances a "sexualized" character would be acceptable if created by a female, uh, creator. Everyone seems to be bouncing back and forth between the fictional/not fictional thing and I don't see any actual criteria getting talked about. I remember reading somewhere that either the concept artist, or 3d model artist at Platinum Games and working on Bayonetta, were female employees. The character Quiet, in Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, was created by a female employee at Konami, although the idea for her was created by Kojima.
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poptart_fairy posted:I am curious, however, under what circumstances a "sexualized" character would be acceptable if created by a female, uh, creator. Everyone seems to be bouncing back and forth between the fictional/not fictional thing and I don't see any actual criteria getting talked about. This is irrelevant because people are talking about overall contexts. Individual characters are really not particularly important. KongMu posted:I refuse to play the next street fighter game unless at least one of the new characters in the next version is a wheelchair bound obese woman of color suffering from dwarfism. Anything beyond the sort will be all different kinds of "-ists" that I will have to tweet incessantly about and blog about and... Why would having a wheelchair-bound character be bad in a fighting game? That sounds like a fun character to play. Similarly for a character with dwarfism. Seems like you do care that your female characters be sexy, even if you're not hosed-up enough to care about their precise measurements.
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natetimm posted:Hey, so what's D&D's take on Feminist Frequency being hijacked by her male writer and driving the proverbial car off the cliff in an anti-violence tirade like some sort of Thelma and Louise tribute? You cannot hijack something you own from the beginning.
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I believe it's entirely possible to make a successful, compelling game that features women and minorities portrayed in a non-sexist, non-racist way, with a rich and diverse story, that would make the game industry progress in a meaningful way while garnering the sympathy of gamers and being a commercial success. It is unfortunate that instead of pushing for such a game to be made, well-intentioned people instead decided to pour their money and support to antagonistic talentless hacks, whose main skill was berating and smearing their would-be audience on twitter with baseless insults and stirring drama.
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Effectronica posted:This is irrelevant because people are talking about overall contexts. Individual characters are really not particularly important. So what context would be acceptable then? I see so many people insisting "that doesn't count because they're fictional" but I've yet to see anyone tackle what does count.
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Meme Emulator posted:I dump the blame directly on the back of Dear Esther. That game proved that you do not need to do anything interesting, or anything at all, to get the twitter indie tastemaker clique to heap praise on your game. See all the people upset that Tale of Tales is closing down, despite making nothing but garbage games. Effectronica posted:This is irrelevant because people are talking about overall contexts. Individual characters are really not particularly important. Wasn't their a cripple doctor in Tekken 2? He was a cool dude to play as, same thin for the midget dinosaur.
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natetimm posted:Hey, so what's D&D's take on Feminist Frequency being hijacked by her male writer and driving the proverbial car off the cliff in an anti-violence tirade like some sort of Thelma and Louise tribute? Clearly this deranged man can't represent Anita's views. Is she possibly working with him under duress?
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Effectronica posted:This is irrelevant because people are talking about overall contexts. Individual characters are really not particularly important. Play as Modok in MVC2. It's pretty close to what you're looking for and funny to boot.
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poptart_fairy posted:So what context would be acceptable then? I see so many people insisting "that doesn't count because they're fictional" but I've yet to see anyone tackle what does count. Id say its ok in a game designed for men intended to be a power fantasy. The problem is thats also 99% of the other games out there.
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Prav posted:Clearly this deranged man can't represent Anita's views. Is she possibly working with him under duress? His viewpoints have popped up under her name, identical in everything down to the grammar - stuff that then quickly disappears from his own twitter, etc. It seems way too nose to just be a case of two people sharing similar opinions.
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poptart_fairy posted:I am curious, however, under what circumstances a "sexualized" character would be acceptable if created by a female, uh, creator. Everyone seems to be bouncing back and forth between the fictional/not fictional thing and I don't see any actual criteria getting talked about. Is the game dealing with sexuality? Go for it. Hell, even in a fighting game you can have someone with a bit more cleavage showing, just don't exaggerate and emphasize sexual characteristics for the sake of titillation on every single character, or even most characters. To me, at least, the gender of the creator and creations doesn't really matter.
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I don't think you're going to find much pushback from hellthreaders on the idea of more variety in video games, but I do think you're going to find pushback from them if your way of going about it is nitpicking the gently caress out of things that already exist and demanding they be changed.
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poptart_fairy posted:So what context would be acceptable then? I see so many people insisting "that doesn't count because they're fictional" but I've yet to see anyone tackle what does count. The context that people want, for fighting games, generally, is one in which there are sexualized and non-sexualized female characters, and female characters with a variety of body types. That is, something that exists for male characters already.
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hooman, this is gonna suck way more than hellthread, isn't it. 
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Totalizator posted:I believe it's entirely possible to make a successful, compelling game that features women and minorities portrayed in a non-sexist, non-racist way, with a rich and diverse story, that would make the game industry progress in a meaningful way while garnering the sympathy of gamers and being a commercial success. It is unfortunate that instead of pushing for such a game to be made, well-intentioned people instead decided to pour their money and support to antagonistic talentless hacks, whose main skill was berating and smearing their would-be audience on twitter with baseless insults and stirring drama. Pretty much. Fact is no one is stopping people from doing this and there definitely is an indie base for people to do this if they want. Trying to be the morality police and pressure companies to have the correct amount of minorities and presentation of genders is simply counter-productive. And of course, giving money to talentless hacks that claim to fight for these issues and then end up creating games like Revolution 60 with their thin, well endowed women wearing skin tight body suits isn't helping either.
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KongMu posted:Someone will have to explain to me why there is all this weird "protective" argumentation surround whether or not it is harmful to individuals or groups for Chun Li in SF to have C cups versus B cups or whatever. The outrage is very stupid. The reaction to "video game big boob harm" is stupid but less so because Chun Li having a nice rack is not the reason people play SF. I think it goes: Men create and see fantasy based on their desires = men demand that fantasy play out in real life = women culturally forced to conform = bad. I think the first part is healthy. Fantasies are healthy. They're natural, you can't help it. People want what they want. Don't try to police what people are privately attracted to (unless it's kids or animals); that's terrible and you sound like those anti-gay preachers or a fedora neckbearded rear end in a top hat trying to convince his lesbian friend to give dick a try. It's the second part that's dangerous. I believe culture is pushing towards trying to force those fantasies on people. And I don't think that should be the case. Though, women create their own fantasies, just culturally it isn't as enforced on men as men's fantasies on women.
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natetimm posted:I don't think you're going to find much pushback from hellthreaders on the idea of more variety in video games, but I do think you're going to find pushback from them if your way of going about it is nitpicking the gently caress out of things that already exist and demanding they be changed. so you agree that things are bad and need to change, just so long as nobody talks about it and nobody criticizes anything and the status quo goes on as usual
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poptart_fairy posted:His viewpoints have popped up under her name, identical in everything down to the grammar - stuff that then quickly disappears from his own twitter, etc. It seems way too nose to just be a case of two people sharing similar opinions. Well it's no doubt that it's McIntosh writing it, but I don't see any particular reason to think that Anita particularly disagrees since she keeps letting him use FF to do so.
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Shadoer posted:Pretty much. Fact is no one is stopping people from doing this and there definitely is an indie base for people to do this if they want. Trying to be the morality police and pressure companies to have the correct amount of minorities and presentation of genders is simply counter-productive. *legislation to change things about to pass* this is the wrong way to do things! people should work within the free market system instead! *people pressure companies to meet political goals* this is the wrong way to do things! people should work within the free market system instead by creating their own content!
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Can we still derail this thread to talk about the Elder Scrolls Franchise?
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VJeff posted:hooman, this is gonna suck way more than hellthread, isn't it. This is just like the original gamergate thread.
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Any actual game developers around here willing to vouch for the problem of sexuality in video games?
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Anita Sarkeesian has some pretty drat gentle and well-expressed criticism but it got people into such a frothing rage that they latched onto the bad ex-boyrfriend letter and the Firefly celebrity Tweet and are still, like a year later, talking about the Gamergate. It just goes on and on, even though the relatively simple idea that video games, as an industry, have some problems with women and could stand to adjust, both for moral reasons and to incorporate new audiences, should be the easiest thing in the world to agree about. The pissing and moaning about "social justice warriors" and the endless, effortless "I'm triggered" jokes (which, no matter where you stand, have become so tired and old that only the most boring people make them anymore) would be the most pathetic thing if the word "pathetic" did not imply pity, which I can no longer have for these ghouls. Here is a video game character who was the earliest participant in Gamergate: 
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Effectronica posted:Why would having a wheelchair-bound character be bad in a fighting game? That sounds like a fun character to play. Similarly for a character with dwarfism. Seems like you do care that your female characters be sexy, even if you're not hosed-up enough to care about their precise measurements. It wouldn't. You can have whatever character you want in a fighting game. But not all fighting games need to have all possible characters. Nor should there be any obligation to include black characters or whatever in any given game.
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VJeff posted:hooman, this is gonna suck way more than hellthread, isn't it. Hellthread was only good when it was twitter.jpg
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Prav posted:Well it's no doubt that it's McIntosh writing it, but I don't see any particular reason to think that Anita particularly disagrees since she keeps letting him use FF to do so. Well she seems to be burning alot of bridges of late.
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Bedlamdan posted:Can we still derail this thread to talk about the Elder Scrolls Franchise? Gotta phrase it right. "Lydia's follower AI was purposefully programmed to be dumb because she's a woman, and that's sexist"
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Bedlamdan posted:Can we still derail this thread to talk about the Elder Scrolls Franchise? Boob plate is dumb as gently caress but TES is cool and alright
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