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Popular Thug Drink posted:*legislation to change things about to pass* this is the wrong way to do things! people should work within the free market system instead! Yeah criticism is one thing and fine, legislation to enforce things on art would be. Unless I miss understood what was meant by "legislation to change things." Still, what's so hard about just making art with these "progressive views"? Right now it's the easiest it's ever been to create art and reach a vast number of people and it's cheaper too. Shadoer fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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natetimm posted:It's ham-handed corporate bullshit of the least effort possible to try and cash in. While true, this could also describe about 90 percent of the writing and creation for superhero comics and the media based on them, so as long as it's going to be low effort corporate bullshit, it may as well be inclusive.
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paranoid randroid posted:hey somebody post something about echo chambers so i can get a bingo here You need at least 4 to make a bingo, idiot.
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Bicyclops posted:You actually need someone to use the term "hugbox" to really score (as well as the "Stop triggering me" joke, but we have that covered about ten times over already). I'm not of the mind that everyone who disagrees with me is some sort of puritanical member of the cult of identity politics, but I will bring attention the the few that are.
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I said come in! posted:I'm saying it doesn't matter. The music industry found this out in the late 19th century. For entertainment, targeting demographics is pointless. Okay Negativo McWrongshit I said come in! posted:I watch a lot of game trailers and I can't recall a single one where I felt that it was specifically targeting men. They were entirely gender neutral marketing material. We've already established that you're an idiot, stop beating that horse.
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turnways posted:Natural flat armor makes way more tactical sense; it flattens and hides the body shape and offers nice, thick protection. Boob plate conforms and enhances the human silhouette; it's entirely useless (and even detrimental) as armor but as an aesthetic choice it makes sense to stimulate an emotion, which is something art is intended to do. It depends on what the goal is for each game and there is absolutely room for both.  This is probably the most acceptable form of female chest/upper body armor around.
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I said come in! posted:Anita needs to make that clear then. Both her and McIntosh pretend the FemFreq Twitter account is all Anita's. Well, she lets him post on the account, so we have to assume that she believes the same things. Would have been a hilarious shitstorm if McIntosh posted his 'escapism is right wing' insanity. Shame.
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Powercrazy posted:You need at least 4 to make a bingo, idiot. free space, motherfucker
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Shadoer posted:thought police.  Being critical of something, even loudly, is not "the thought police."
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Tifa is a sterotype too. Yes shes the buxom babe but she also falls into the childhood friend niche. Yuffie Is, idk, a teen with unbuttoned shorts. Sharas a subservient meek wife. Scarlet is an evil dominatrix type. Elena is... actually Elenas not very sexualized at all and her character type doesnt fall into any of those sterotypes.
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Shadoer posted:Gee, it's almost like the best solution is to just create that content as opposed to creating the thought police. The thought police aren't the ones arresting good thoughts, trust me.
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Literally The Worst posted:Okay Negativo McWrongshit You've yet to produce an ounce of evidence that shows i'm wrong. I'm not obligated to do the thinking for you.
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Unfunny Poster posted:
I always thought of sexualized armor as vanity armor, like truck nuts for the empowered amazonian
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paranoid randroid posted:hey somebody post something about echo chambers so i can get a bingo here You already did.
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many johnnys posted:https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/skeleton-to-skeleton/kckodmjikeoncekpplppkkcjolofmacc?hl=en is a good thing to click if you have chrome If you like that you would really get a kick out of the menkampf plugin http://menkampf.com/.
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I said come in! posted:You've yet to produce an ounce of evidence that shows i'm wrong. I'm not obligated to do the thinking for you. The game where oorah manly man shoot a bunch of dudes is not targeted towards any one particular audience, as evidenced by the fact that there are women who play it, this is a thing you're saying and it's wrong
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Bicyclops posted:While true, this could also describe about 90 percent of the writing and creation for superhero comics and the media based on them, so as long as it's going to be low effort corporate bullshit, it may as well be inclusive. Replacing old characters is inherently exclusive though, because it requires someone to be eliminated. There shouldn't be a Spider-Man of a new race, there should be a new character altogether introduced through his book that spins off into its own IP. Cannibalizing your already existing lineup and refusing to actually diversify is a terrible, short-sighted strategy that I'm not at all surprised has wormed its way into nearly every corporate culture out there.
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Meme Emulator posted:Aeris definitely had a type, as in she was a wish fullfillment character. She was the pure flower that you will get to pluck one day. Probably, but thing is that type and arguably others aren't that explored in games. Movies and TV shows more so with the whole "Girl Next Door" trope. Effectronica posted:Aerith is a sexualized character in Final Fantasy 7. She's not thought of as an example because the translation seems to impair people's ability to remember what the characters were actually like, but she's the most sexualized female character in the entire game. ... okay? So are you saying in the original Japanese she was constantly trying to seduce you or something? Cause I'm pretty sure in the FF7 sexualization race Tifa wins.
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KongMu posted:I refuse to play the next street fighter game unless at least one of the new characters in the next version is a wheelchair bound obese woman of color suffering from dwarfism. Anything beyond the sort will be all different kinds of "-ists" that I will have to tweet incessantly about and blog about and... this thread is real loving dumb but it's hilarious to me that of the list of "so ridiculous" things that'd never show up in a fighting game you have dwarfism. like woah so crazy there'd never be a short person in a fight game who is cool as heck bring back kliff
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Literally The Worst posted:The game where oorah manly man shoot a bunch of dudes is not targeted towards any one particular audience, as evidenced by the fact that there are women who play it, this is a thing you're saying and it's wrong No it's not. I don't give a gently caress how much that triggers you, i'm never going to think what I said was wrong. There is zero evidence to support what you are saying.
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natetimm posted:I think gay, black and latino characters should be new IP with their own freshly-written backgrounds instead of reboots of old, already established characters. Also, if they're going to retcon current characters as gay or a different race, I think more effort should be put into it as a passing of a torch to a new character from the old one instead of *poof* "so and so is latino now!" It's ham-handed corporate bullshit of the least effort possible to try and cash in. Diversity means new stuff, not changing old stuff, especially when the old stuff is still liked. I think you're talking past me a bit. So suppose the Kyle Rayner gets a black sidekick. Then months or years down the line when they decide he's going to retire, or change into a different hero, or die like all the green lantern iterations before him the pass the torch to this black sidekick. Would you have problem with that? edit: Well I apparently haven't been keeping up with DC comics enough. Apparently they already something like this but in a way that looks really dumb.
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Literally The Worst posted:The game where oorah manly man shoot a bunch of dudes is not targeted towards any one particular audience, as evidenced by the fact that there are women who play it, this is a thing you're saying and it's wrong You've never played COD with girls before?
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Bicyclops posted:
God help the miserable motherfucker that dares to criticize the analyses of a culture critic, though.
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paranoid randroid posted:free space, motherfucker
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Im gonna speak for Effectronica ebcause im a jerk, and assume that theyre referring to Aeris being a prostitute
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I said come in! posted:No it's not. Why not? Why does the fact that women like CoD mean that it can't have been targeted towards men? Is it because you were dropped on your head as a child?
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InsanityIsCrazy posted:You've never played COD with girls before? That wasn't the part I was saying was wrong, numbnuts
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The Confederate flag is not targeted towards whites because I know some black dudes that wear it too.
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Literally The Worst posted:That wasn't the part I was saying was wrong, numbnuts I'll be the first to admit that the conversations going way faster than the previous thread, normally I'm on my seventh WWE photo by now!
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paranoid randroid posted:free space, motherfucker You don't understand bingo. Why do you defend identity politics?
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Literally The Worst posted:Why not? Why does the fact that women like CoD mean that it can't have been targeted towards men? Is it because you were dropped on your head as a child? Maybe if you spent more time reading the thread instead of acting like a angsty teen on Tumblr, you would have saw that I said CoD is not targeting men, because it isn't. There is nothing in the marketing material to suggest it is. Activision goes way out of its way to create ads that show women in them playing their games.
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Bicyclops posted:
You're just critical, sure. The tumblr freaks who make people lose their jobs because someone said something 'problematic' on twitter and they got his real name? Not so much. This is the thought police being talked about here.
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Shadoer posted:Probably, but thing is that type and arguably others aren't that explored in games. Movies and TV shows more so with the whole "Girl Next Door" trope. aeris hits on cloud relentlessly for the first third of the game idk if thats what youre looking for when it comes to """sexualized""" but w/e
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I said come in! posted:Maybe if you spent more time reading the thread instead of acting like a angsty teen on Tumblr, you would have saw that I said CoD is not targeting men I did see that, and you're still a loving idiot
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Totalizator posted:Criticism is fine, when it goes to attacking people who like something you don't is where I draw the line. I'm cool with twitter people tweeting all day how X is sexist and Y is problematic and Z is totally gross. It's when they start demanding content be censored, changed or removed because it offends them and aggressively dogpiling anyone who dares defend it. so you're upset about twitter slapfights
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I think banning historical games with the Confederate flag in them is profoundly stupid, unless it's something like "The War of Northern Aggression 2: Lee's Revenge".
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computer parts posted:The Confederate flag is not targeted towards whites because I know some black dudes that wear it too. I have yet to see a Confederate flag commercial, unless you're talking about a Dukes of Hazzard merchandise thing.
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Bicyclops posted:
Yeah criticism is one thing and fine, legislation to enforce things on art would be. Unless I miss understood what was meant by "legislation to change things." Still, what's so hard about just making art with these "progressive views"? Right now it's the easiest it's ever been to create art and reach a vast number of people and it's cheaper too.
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"Maybe if you read my posts you'd see that I said the thing that you're saying is wrong!!!!"
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Meme Emulator posted:Yes but the genre was given legitimacy by previous good titles. Something like that doesnt exist for hidden object games Do you know this from experience, or are you just assuming that no good HOPA games have ever been made because girl stuff has cooties? I mean, I've never played any of those games either. I just think it would be an astonishing coincidence if the only genres that have ever had good games made for them just happened to be the genres that more men than women like. turnways posted:Though, women create their own fantasies, just culturally it isn't as enforced on men as men's fantasies on women. Yeah, because no guy ever lifted weights in an attempt to become more attractive to women, or bought expensive gifts for his girlfriend because that's just what guys are supposed to do. Also, the fashion industry, which is dominated by gay men and also some women, is far more responsible for unrealistic female beauty and weight standards than anything produced by and for straight men. So focusing on cheesecake video game/comic book art and men's magazines seems kind of off target. You could say similar things about the male standards that I mentioned, as those stereotypes seem to be propagated much more by predominately male cultures whereas female targeted romantic comedies and the like often feature lower class bohemian-esque men as the romantic interest. A not inconsiderable amount of female targeted romantic fantasy works make the guy outright effeminate; see for instance how many times Twilight's Edward, who is adored by millions of women worldwide, has been called "gay." Meme Emulator posted:Im talking about games where it would make sense and be acceptable to have a busty bimbo or w/e. I wasnt speaking directly about Street Fighter. However, If you think people do not tailor thier game and marketing of the game to the demographics they are persuing then youre an insane person. I shouldn't even have to say that they do. Of course they do, theres a million assholes in marketing divisions around the world crunching these numbers. People get fired for not meeting demographics, Spike TV notoriously fired one of the people they had in charge of scheduling when CSI reruns pulled in a huge female audience which the advertisers were not paying for. You're absolutely right that some games are made to appeal to certain demographics (for example, HOPA designers have said that they make their games really colorful because that's a style that a lot of women like), but all the evidence is that they generally tend to try to pull in more of the demographic that the genre already appeals to. Again, Mass Effect made a big deal out of giving the player the option to play as a fully voiced female character but it still ended up with a player base that was more male-dominated than GTA V.
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