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Jindalquote:"The Supreme Court decision today conveniently and not surprisingly follows public opinion polls, and tramples on states’ rights that were once protected by the 10th Amendment of the Constitution. Marriage between a man and a woman was established by God, and no earthly court can alter that. This decision will pave the way for an all out assault against the religious freedom rights of Christians who disagree with this decision. This ruling must not be used as pretext by Washington to erode our right to religious liberty. The government should not force those who have sincerely held religious beliefs about marriage to participate in these ceremonies. That would be a clear violation of America’s long held commitment to religious liberty as protected in the First Amendment. I will never stop fighting for religious liberty and I hope our leaders in D.C. join me." - Bobby Jindal, via press release.
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Why aren't candidates being more quiet about this? I feel like pushing back against marriage equality will really come back to bite a nominee in the general. 
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Kro-Bar posted:I feel like pushing back against marriage equality will really come back to bite a nominee in the general. That's not going to be a problem for Huckabee.
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Kro-Bar posted:Why aren't candidates being more quiet about this? I feel like pushing back against marriage equality will really come back to bite a nominee in the general. You don't see Bush speaking out, now do you? See? The next president is clean. Edit: guess he has now. Well, then that leaves Pataki. #patakimentum De Nomolos fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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Jun 26, 2015 17:32
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I was reading the Obergfell decision and noticed that Mike Huckabee Policy Solutions filed an amicus curiae brief. They put in the mission statement for the group, and it's nuts, especially with regards to the judiciary: quote:End Judicial Supremacy: The errant doctrine He also called for Boehner to cut the budget of all Article III courts, like what they threatened to do in Kansas. http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/55614-56214-57114-574bsacMikeHuckabeePolicySolutions.pdf Edit: Rubio's statement was pretty weak, I can't see this being used against him in the general - quote:"People who disagree with the traditional definition of marriage have the right to change their state laws. That is the right of our people, not the right of the unelected judges or justices of the Supreme Court. This decision short-circuits the political process that has been underway on the state level for years." The X-man cometh fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jun 26, 2015 |
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Jun 26, 2015 18:00
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Martin O'Malley was actually at the Supreme Court for the decision, but somehow didn't manage to get on TV.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:03
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a moderate as hell response from Jeb"jeb posted:“I also believe that we should love our neighbor and respect others, including those making lifetime commitments,” he said. “In a country as diverse as ours, good people who have opposing views should be able to live side by side. It is now crucial that as a country we protect religious freedom and the right of conscience and also not discriminate.” "marco posted:“I believe that marriage, as the key to strong family life, is the most important institution in our society and should be between one man and one woman. People who disagree with the traditional definition of marriage have the right to change their state laws. That is the right of our people, not the right of the unelected judges or justices of the Supreme Court. This decision short-circuits the political process that has been underway on the state level for years.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:07
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Where does your guys' x-mentum stuff come from anyway? Like, who was this first candidate whose name actually portmanteaued with "momentum"?
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Chwoka posted:Where does your guys' x-mentum stuff come from anyway? Like, who was this first candidate whose name actually portmanteaued with "momentum"? Joe Lieberman, when he got in a three way tie for third place in the 2004 NH Democratic primary declared that his campaign had "Joementum".
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Jun 26, 2015 18:18
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I was going to say Bush Elder but I think he just coined it for electoral races.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:20
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Ahh the Clinton camp back to their old tricks I see. Not true. We have a woman running. Speaking of, have any of the Democrats spoken up yet? Other than O'Malley failing to get on TV.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:35
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The Guardian asked the Trump campaign to release his birth certificate and, so far, the campaign has refused.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:36
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Aliquid posted:a moderate as hell response from Jeb Not as moderate as it seems - the "religious freedom" thing is basically a reference to laws that would allow businesses to discriminate against gay people, like the one they recently attempted to pass in Indiana (and that Jeb enthusiastically supported).
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Jun 26, 2015 18:38
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Joementum posted:The Guardian asked the Trump campaign to release his birth certificate and, so far, the campaign has refused. I love professional trolling.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:50
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spacing in vienna posted:Not true. We have a woman running.  She has a bunch of other tweets about it too.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:50
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Hillary opposed same sex marriage in 2008.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:56
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Miltank posted:Hillary opposed same sex marriage in 2008. Who gives a poo poo? People change their minds and politically untenable positions become viable. The US changed for the better today, don't drag this into another "But why didn't they make it PERFECT, they're horrible cynical shills for only making a GOOD change, the sell-out frauds."
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Jun 26, 2015 18:57
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Miltank posted:Hillary opposed same sex marriage in 2008. Don't make me post Chelsea's Mom goddamnit.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:57
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Miltank posted:Hillary opposed same sex marriage in 2008. So did Obama? Even Biden did too.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:57
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http://www.conventionofstates.com/ It begins!
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Miltank posted:Hillary opposed same sex marriage in 2008. Anywhere from one-third to half of people who support same-sex marriage today opposed it in 2008.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:58
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Golden Bee posted:Don't make me post Chelsea's Mom goddamnit. Why are you threatening to torture some folks ? 
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Jun 26, 2015 18:59
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Miltank posted:Hillary opposed same sex marriage in 2008. As did Obama. Between 2004 and 2008 most states enacted constitutional amendments to prohibit it. This has really been a seismic shift, practically unprecedented in speed. Whether or not they truly believe in SSM, they're both canny enough to know where history's headed and have adjusted accordingly. Or, they actually took a close look at it and changed with the nation. Either way, it's clear where they stand now.
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Jun 26, 2015 18:59
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Trabisnikof posted:So did Obama? Actually, I bet all three of them were in favor of it, but couldn't say so for political reasons. Especially Obama since he'd actually came out in favor of gay marriage when he was a state legislator in Illinois. It's just a sad case of the perfect being the enemy of the good.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:01
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more realistically they didnt care all that much and were possibly in favor of it, but just went with whatever polled well
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Jun 26, 2015 19:02
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:more realistically they didnt care all that much and were possibly in favor of it, but just went with whatever polled well I don't even think most of the Republicans hate gay marriage as much as they say. Santorum, Huckabee, Romney, the real religious ones, probably yes. But I doubt Bush or Rubio really care.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:04
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Where is Ted Cruz
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Jun 26, 2015 19:09
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What was fun was Dubya campaigning in 2004 that he would ban same-sex marriage whike Cheney would try to avoid the question because his daughter is a lesbian.
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Skwirl posted:Actually, I bet all three of them were in favor of it, but couldn't say so for political reasons. Especially Obama since he'd actually came out in favor of gay marriage when he was a state legislator in Illinois. It's just a sad case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. We know for a fact that Obama has been for it at least since 1996, Axelrod admitted that his opposition was purely a political thing and not actually his personal position.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:15
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Would JEB! have been able to marry his Mexican girlfriend in 1974 if not for Loving v Virginia (only 7 years earlier!)? Might help explain his less-than-firely rhetoric regarding the evolution of "traditional marriage."
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Jun 26, 2015 19:17
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Star Man posted:What was fun was Dubya campaigning in 2004 that he would ban same-sex marriage whike Cheney would try to avoid the question because his daughter is a lesbian. It's really fun to think that Dubya won in 2004 partially because of that, and just 12 years later it will likely be a pretty big handicap for the Republican nominee. That's why Bush and Rubio are trying to thread the needle of "respect everyone, but support states rights." Just to double check, before today gay marriage was banned in Florida, right?
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Jun 26, 2015 19:17
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Skwirl posted:Just to double check, before today gay marriage was banned in Florida, right? No, that ban was overturned in January.
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Grey Fox posted:Would JEB! have been able to marry his Mexican girlfriend in 1974 if not for Loving v Virginia (only 7 years earlier!)? Might help explain his less-than-firely rhetoric regarding the evolution of "traditional marriage." According to Wikipedia he would not, unless Texas had got rid of it's anti-miscegenation on it's own, which doesn't seem likely.
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Skwirl posted:According to Wikipedia he would not, unless Texas had got rid of it's anti-miscegenation on it's own, which doesn't seem likely. I think Texas's law applied only to Blacks marrying non-Blacks. But I'm too lazy to look up the exact wording.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:28
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Can you imagine the complete and total clusterfuck that a constitutional convention would cause?
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Trabisnikof posted:I think Texas's law applied only to Blacks marrying non-Blacks. But I'm too lazy to look up the exact wording. Wow, southern whites had a nice little fascist police state going there. No wonder they're pissed since the 60s.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:30
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bpower posted:Wow, southern whites had a nice little fascist police state going there. No wonder they're pissed since the 60s. Well, they're the only state I know of that fought 2 wars of independence over the right to own slaves.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:32
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Skwirl posted:According to Wikipedia he would not, unless Texas had got rid of it's anti-miscegenation on it's own, which doesn't seem likely.
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In that time period, and considering how she looks, Jeb's wife would probably be "white enough" for a Texas marriage license.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Also Bernie Goetz. Rock and roll and cola wars!
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