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Powercrazy posted:Agreed. Just like no media is obligated to incorporate any particular characters. So why the complaints about "gamers" or sexism? Pretty much, yeah. None of this is oppressing anyone, and some women actually find these characters powerful. It's gross that people like Effectronica want to tell all women what they can and cannot like.
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whatis posted:there should be no gamer "gate." gaming is something to be enjoyed with friends and strangers. it should be inclusive, there shouldnt be a gate around it But if we just let anyone in, our games will be filled with casuals, and then say goodbye to your ELO ranking
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i thought we were talking about the feminists, not the gamergaters I was fully aware I was describing both sides when I made that statement. That's sort of the hilarious thing about GG - they adopted every single one of the tactics from the side they hate immediately and then when they used them against them, it's "harassment".
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Popular Thug Drink posted:is this the guy who proves that he's not a manchild by lighting a cigarette he never smokes and waving around a highball glass of whiskey he never drinks Yes he's the clearly styling himself after Kain from Command and Conquer. You know the cult leader/dictator character meant to represent pure evil without having to invoke a real world country. Clearly someone to model yourself on.
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Powercrazy posted:So why the complaints about "gamers" or sexism? its because many video games are sexist
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Zeitgueist posted:How many variations of PC POLICE OUT OF CONTROL are you people going to come up with? "You people".
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Zeitgueist posted:How many variations of PC POLICE OUT OF CONTROL are you people going to come up with? everyone has stayed really silent on the fact that one of the major anti-GG boards split from another community over their desire to share child porn.
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Effectronica posted:The logic of saying that non-sexualized characters can exist means that all characters are sexualized. Well, you've got me. The only way to respond to this is with violence, because you have made it clear that you will not use language. Please stand still. That's not what you said at all. I have yet to see an example of these "non-sexualized" characters because every time someone tries to bring up an already existing example it is immediately answered with a list of reasons why they ARE sexualised.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Yes he's the clearly styling himself after Kain from Command and Conquer. You know the cult leader/dictator character meant to represent pure evil without having to invoke a real world country. Clearly someone to model yourself on. I have never wanted to punch someone more.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Yes, that guy is hilarious and creepy looking. yeah this guys basically my favorite person ever
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unlimited shrimp posted:Since SJW is a dirty word now, can we come up with another term for online outrage addicts / call-out culturists. I like neo-puritans because it sounds fun.
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I said come in! posted:Pretty much, yeah. None of this is oppressing anyone, and some women actually find these characters powerful. It's gross that people like Effectronica want to tell all women what they can and cannot like. If someone calls you delusional, it's generally not a good idea to double down on it.
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how do you do, i collect conspicuous signifiers of masculinity
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Bholder posted:That's not what you said at all. i don't think anyone really believes that you'll drop this argument if a non-sexualized character is demonstrated to your satisfaction
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Dreylad posted:everyone has stayed really silent on the fact that one of the major anti-GG boards split from another community over their desire to share child porn. Child porn consumers is like the one unifying thread between both camps.
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I said come in! posted:Pretty much, yeah. None of this is oppressing anyone, and some women actually find these characters powerful. It's gross that people like Effectronica want to tell all women what they can and cannot like. Its amazing how quickly people like that turn on real life women or minorities once they speak out against their nonsense. Silly woman, this white man will tell you what is offensive to you and what is not!
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Effectronica posted:If someone calls you delusional, it's generally not a good idea to double down on it. Nothing I have said is wrong.
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natetimm posted:"You people". Yep, you morons.
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Dreylad posted:everyone has stayed really silent on the fact that one of the major anti-GG boards split from another community over their desire to share child porn. Wait what?
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paranoid randroid posted:how do you do, i collect conspicuous signifiers of masculinity i'm basically john waters, but a very serious and masculine version who cares deeply about right wing politics and video games
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Popular Thug Drink posted:its because many video games are sexist Yep. So?
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Dreylad posted:i do like the new wave of game journalists where they film a three part documentary about a AAA game coming out with sweeping vistas and narration asking us if this will be a great game, all to disguise a loving preview I liked the journalist who examined fallout trailer footage to determine if the dog companion was a boy or not.
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Dreylad posted:everyone has stayed really silent on the fact that one of the major anti-GG boards split from another community over their desire to share child porn. Can I get some details on this
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I said come in! posted:Pretty much, yeah. None of this is oppressing anyone, and some women actually find these characters powerful. It's gross that people like Effectronica want to tell all women what they can and cannot like. This is basically "My girlfriend, who lives in Canada, likes it, so therefore it cannot be sexist." There is nuance to discussion and Bayonetta falls into it, but different men and women may find the game either demeaning or empowering; the issue is when the former group are ridiculed for expressing themselves purely because the latter group exists.
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Dreylad posted:everyone has stayed really silent on the fact that one of the major anti-GG boards split from another community over their desire to share child porn. I never heard about this. Details.
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natetimm posted:Child porn consumers is like the one unifying thread between both camps. but never mind that let's focus on the people who thrive off outrage.
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Bholder posted:That's not what you said at all. Actually, that's exactly what I said on multiple occasions, which I am not going to bother to link, because you are at least physiologically an adult and I shouldn't have to babysit your stupid rear end. Furthermore, there are actually multiple people in this thread, some of whom actually agreed with your idiotic gotcha, not one single person. I realize that it's traumatic to have to get away from recycled antisemitic conspiracy theories and grow up, but I'm sure you stand at least a 10% chance of doing so.
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Totalizator posted:Its amazing how quickly people like that turn on real life women or minorities once they speak out against their nonsense. Silly woman, this white man will tell you what is offensive to you and what is not! i also like to imagine that people who vocally stand up for women and minorities secretly hate women and minorities. i do this because it makes me believe they are actually the bad person, and not myself
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"You guys love being outraged" has been used by bigots to try and change the subject for literal decades and it never gets any less stupid a claim
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i'm basically john waters, but a very serious and masculine version who cares deeply about right wing politics and video games nega john waters
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I followed a guy on twitter because he retweeted GamerGate stuff and I was laughing at how inept, blind and foolish the gamergaters were. I thought it was an elegant meta takedown of the whole stupid 'movement.' Weeks later, I realized Oh. You were serious. 
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i don't think anyone really believes that you'll drop this argument if a non-sexualized character is demonstrated to your satisfaction Of course not, they don't exist!
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Dreylad posted:i do like the new wave of game journalists where they film a three part documentary about a AAA game coming out with sweeping vistas and narration asking us if this will be a great game, all to disguise a loving preview I don't I think Ben Kuchera should swallow his own tongue and then choke to death on it.
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poptart_fairy posted:I don't think Peter Coffiin was really on any side. Almost everyone seems to dislike him, much like Anthony Burch. Anthony Burch lost his mind. What always bugged me was after Borderlands 2 came out, he was paraded around like he wrote something SO PROGRESSIVE and that must have gone to his head. Say what you will about Borderlands 2's writing, I mean, its pretty "LOL Random" and I thought it was "okay". The only thing progressive was how gay characters were portrayed in that it wasn't in your face, it just sort of came up in conversation and I was like "huh, I guess that character is gay? Okay". Then he went off the deep end in The Pre-sequel where every character I met was telling me their sexuality and pronouns the moment I met them. It was all very heavy handed and after I met the umteenth character that was all "HI, IM GAY" the moment I met them, all I could think was "jesus...I GET IT ALREADY". I think more people need to stay off Twitter, cause the moment they fall into the "NUH UH, IM MORE PROGRESSIVE" arguments all hope is lost. 160 characters is not a place to hold an debate of any sort. See Also: Aaron Diaz.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i also like to imagine that people who vocally stand up for women and minorities secretly hate women and minorities. i do this because it makes me believe they are actually the bad person, and not myself Yeah, those imaginary tweets and internet posts that exist only in my brain and it doesn't take roughly five seconds of googling to find dozens of them. e: While you do that also check out what happens to people in the left wing puritan movement who doesn't agree on some minute issue and the group turns on him, it's some amazing piranha poo poo.
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Meme Emulator posted:My mom and sister both love them and thier devices are littered with different hidden object games and they really are all identical. Amazingly theyre almost all missing any sort of narrative outside of a text splash or two, introducing actual characters into these games seems like the logical next step. Thats not to say there arent characters or dialouge but theyre mostly window dressing, much like game mechanics are for the artgame crew or RPG levelup mechanics are for the multiplayer FPS scene. So if I'm following your argument right, FPS games are considered "legitimate" because of earlier good FPS games. And HOPA games have not had good enough games to give them legitimacy. Your evidence for this is that the HOPA games that you've encountered don't have very compelling stories or characters. Because early FPS games like Doom, Wolfenstein 3D, and Quake are primarily appreciated for their deep stories and well-written characters. Literally The Worst posted:"CoD is primarily targeted towards, designed, and marketed with men in mind" CoD is primarily targeted towards, designed, and marketed with men in mind because more men than women play FPS games and this does not seem to change if you market them differently, as seen as how games like Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect have even less female players (proportionally speaking) than CoD. I have a hard time faulting them for this, anymore than I can fault movie studios for marketing all of their romantic comedies with women in mind. turnways posted:As a guy I definitely feel the pressure to do those things, but I don't think there's as much pressure as is on women. I mean, it's not a huge difference in pressure, but the edge definitely still goes towards women on being pressured slightly more to do greater things to attract a mate. Eating disorder statistics, I believe, are skewed slightly more towards women than men. That is definitely a concern, but like I said, those unobtainable fantasies seem to be coming much more from female targeted media like fashion magazines (where models are thin not to appeal to straight men, but because female and gay male fashion designers want the focus to be on the clothes they design instead of the people wearing them) than from male targeted media, but the latter seems to take way more heat for this than the former. Terrible Opinions posted:Yes he's the clearly styling himself after Kain from Command and Conquer. You know the cult leader/dictator character meant to represent pure evil without having to invoke a real world country. Clearly someone to model yourself on. I cannot stop laughing at David Aurini. He is a perfect mirror image of the craziest Tumblr feminist imaginable.
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Bicyclops posted:This is basically "My girlfriend, who lives in Canada, likes it, so therefore it cannot be sexist." There is nuance to discussion and Bayonetta falls into it, but different men and women may find the game either demeaning or empowering; the issue is when the former group are ridiculed for expressing themselves purely because the latter group exists. If you feel demeaned by a video game, that is a statement on your personal mental health, not the quality of the game.
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Dreylad posted:but never mind that let's focus on the people who thrive off outrage. No wait let me here about this thing
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Dreylad posted:everyone has stayed really silent on the fact that one of the major anti-GG boards split from another community over their desire to share child porn. I think you mean pro-GG right? That was 420chan which split form 4chan out of a desire to share childporn. 8chan was later created by users of 420chan who wanted additional features on their image boards for some reason, but still wanted the child porn.
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