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If anything, wouldn't these rulings make the conservative base get more riled up and hit the polls in retaliation?
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Jun 26, 2015 21:29
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Useless Shotgun posted:I feel like the Republicans are running on just pure spite now. "now"
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Jun 26, 2015 21:29
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site posted:If anything, wouldn't these rulings make the conservative base get more riled up and hit the polls in retaliation? Sure, since the elections are in (Checks watch) 16 months
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Jun 26, 2015 21:34
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site posted:If anything, wouldn't these rulings make the conservative base get more riled up and hit the polls in retaliation? There is a point of diminishing returns on that though. They might equally feel simply too defeated to be arsed to care. This is especially likely if the Republicans nominate someone who still has some tattered remnant of his sanity (Jeb! or Rubio).
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Jun 26, 2015 21:35
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Mordiceius posted:My roommate and I were talking about it and it just really feels like there is no way for conservative running to salvage their candidacies. Yeap, a lot of people were like "how can there even BE a Republican Party now?" in 2008. Holy poo poo they were wrong. Democrats need to do more than just high-five each other when victories happen.
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Jun 26, 2015 21:37
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TheScott2K posted:Yeap, a lot of people were like "how can there even BE a Republican Party now?" in 2008. Holy poo poo they were wrong. Democrats need to do more than just high-five each other when victories happen. Why would Democrats (as in, the establishment party) do that? They need wedge issues as much as Republicans do, because otherwise it's harder to hide the fact that they both get on their knees for the wealthy. Each of these serves as the other's Goldstein for the farcical two minutes hate we call "election day." That's why it will be a cold day in hell before either party takes meaningful action on their respective social issues at the national level. Tinkering around the edges, rearranging the deck chairs, whatever you want to call it, is fine. But it took a (conservative) SCOTUS to make marriage equality a thing, and only then after the movement had reached enough critical mass in spite of the party apparatus.
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Jun 26, 2015 21:47
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Woah. Bernie just called for a constitutional amendment in response to the Supreme Court decision.
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Jun 26, 2015 22:04
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Jun 26, 2015 22:08
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site posted:If anything, wouldn't these rulings make the conservative base get more riled up and hit the polls in retaliation? Right, because they haven't been at maximum frothy outrage for 7 years already. At some point, the law of diminishing returns takes effect, and you can't gin up any more outrage than already exists. And hell--if the Freep thread is any indication, some of them are just throwing up their hands and going "welp, America died today".
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Jun 26, 2015 22:11
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Hey gays, congrats on your human rights. Buy some poo poo.
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Jun 26, 2015 22:19
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Bernie is doing better in Hew Hampshire than Obama was at the same period in 2007:quote:The poll has Sanders receiving the support of 35% of likely Democratic voters while Clinton is at 43%. Vice-president Joe Biden, who has not indicated that he will mount a presidential bid, is at 8% and the former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley is at 2%. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/25/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-democrats-poll?CMP=fb_us
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Jun 26, 2015 22:21
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Joementum posted:Hey gays, congrats on your human rights. Buy some poo poo. Eh, that's just boilerplate lovely merch. I find this to be a lot stupider:  "Non-working"
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Jun 26, 2015 22:25
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Yay Madison, WI gets to feel the Bern next Wednesday! It will be nice for someone running or thinking of running for president to pay attention to us.
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Jun 26, 2015 22:49
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Anyone see Obama's eulogy for Clementa Pinckney? Incredibly moving.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:20
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MH Knights posted:Yay Madison, WI gets to feel the Bern next Wednesday! It will be nice for someone running or thinking of running for president to pay attention to us. Your governor sure as hell isn't (or what attention he's paying, it isn't good).
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Jun 26, 2015 23:28
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This was added afterwards: quote:Shortly after publication of this item, a Univision spokesperson told the On Media blog that the following directive had been sent to all employees: "As part of this decision, [Univision Communications Inc.] employees should not stay at Trump properties while on company business or hold events/activities there." Trump should start more feuds, imo
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Jun 26, 2015 23:29
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mandatory lesbian posted:im pretty sure lindsey graham said that "we should respect the judges decision" but i might be hallucinating Yeah but it's Lindsey Graham, c'mon.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:32
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Bernie is doing better in Hew Hampshire than Obama was at the same period in 2007: 2008 was a 3-way race at this point in time.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:34
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Skwirl posted:2008 was a 3-way race at this point in time. With Lincoln Chafee, it's a 3.28084 way foot race this year.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:36
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Joementum posted:With Lincoln Chafee, it's a 3.28084 way foot race this year. Who?
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Jun 26, 2015 23:37
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Joementum posted:With Lincoln Chafee, it's a 3.28084 way foot race this year. I love you joementum, never change.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:43
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According to John Stewart, now Bobby Jindal, Gov. of Louisiana, has thrown his hat into the ring. Certainly a candidate that will get far, no doubt about it.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:53
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Bernie is doing better in Hew Hampshire than Obama was at the same period in 2007: Bernie's actually doing very well, f.ex way better than almost all of the GOP candidates it's just that Hillary's doing unbelievably, stratospherically, outrageously well
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Jun 26, 2015 23:54
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UberJew posted:Bernie's actually doing very well, f.ex way better than almost all of the GOP candidates it is pretty easy to beat a GOP candidate since there are so many of them to split how well they are doing.
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Jun 26, 2015 23:59
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Trump's website has a surprisingly scant level of concrete information. Would anyone know if he'll be doing any speeches or events on the 4th of July in New York? I'd like to maybe go people watching and bask in the atmosphere of screaming out whichever illogical, angry stance one can muster up in the moment. And the $50 would help defray my streetfood expenses on the day.
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Jun 27, 2015 00:00
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shadow puppet of a posted:Trump's website has a surprisingly scant level of concrete information. Would anyone know if he'll be doing any speeches or events on the 4th of July in New York? I'd like to maybe go people watching and bask in the atmosphere of screaming out whichever illogical, angry stance one can muster up in the moment. And the $50 would help defray my streetfood expenses on the day. He doesnt have a platform. He will just go up to the podium and vomit up whatever the gop base wants to hear. He is egotical petty assclown, The only reasons he is running is so he can remane relevent.
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Jun 27, 2015 00:09
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Third World Reggin posted:it is pretty easy to beat a GOP candidate since there are so many of them to split how well they are doing. Let us also remember that when the time comes the Republican Party really will grimace and eat their vegetables with whatever inedible candidate they actually end up with. It probably isn't enough for them to win but we can only bask in this glorious party infighting until they crown their king.
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Jun 27, 2015 00:15
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Feather posted:Why would Democrats (as in, the establishment party) do that? They need wedge issues as much as Republicans do, because otherwise it's harder to hide the fact that they both get on their knees for the wealthy. Each of these serves as the other's Goldstein for the farcical two minutes hate we call "election day." For real people in the real world, it really matters that the two supreme court justices appointed by Obama were Sotomayor and Kagan, and not another Aliota and another Roberts. That you'd use the Supreme Court as an example of their being no difference between the parties is kinda baffling. Calling fundamental rights that are absolutely important to millions of people rearranging the chairs is also odd. Do you think your hyperfocus on a single issue might be blinding you to what's important to others?
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Jun 27, 2015 00:25
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Somebody on my twitter feed keeps pointing out that until Bobby Jindal breaks 1.9%, he has to refer to his poll "number".
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Jun 27, 2015 00:29
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Every recent poll shows that a large, and still growing, majority of Americans are in favor of same-sex marriage. What exactly is the GOP's endgame for bravely standing against this ruling? Do they think that going against the will of the general public will somehow help in the general election, or are they just saying this poo poo now to hopefully get through the primaries and then whoever is chosen as the candidate is gonna drop the issue entirely or what?
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Jun 27, 2015 00:36
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Cubey posted:are they just saying this poo poo now to hopefully get through the primaries and then whoever is chosen as the candidate is gonna drop the issue entirely? Considering only the candidates that have a chance of winning the nomination: yes
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Jun 27, 2015 00:42
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Cubey posted:Every recent poll shows that a large, and still growing, majority of Americans are in favor of same-sex marriage. What exactly is the GOP's endgame for bravely standing against this ruling? Do they think that going against the will of the general public will somehow help in the general election, or are they just saying this poo poo now to hopefully get through the primaries and then whoever is chosen as the candidate is gonna drop the issue entirely or what? Their electoral strategy is to feed the white-hot ball of incoherent rage that is their base enough hate to get their butts into the polls in an outsized percentage than their demographics would suggest. It worked amazingly well for them over the last 6 years; the only place they've not made huge gains-is the Presidency. Everywhere else--from state legislatures and governors to the US House and Senate--has been a big pickup bonanza for them. Now, how sustainable is this? Who can say. But it's worked so far.
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Jun 27, 2015 00:46
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Obdicut posted:For real people in the real world, it really matters that the two supreme court justices appointed by Obama were Sotomayor and Kagan, and not another Aliota and another Roberts. quote:Do you think your hyperfocus on a single issue might be blinding you to what's important to others? Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Feather fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 00:49
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Cubey posted:Every recent poll shows that a large, and still growing, majority of Americans are in favor of same-sex marriage. What exactly is the GOP's endgame for bravely standing against this ruling? Do they think that going against the will of the general public will somehow help in the general election, or are they just saying this poo poo now to hopefully get through the primaries and then whoever is chosen as the candidate is gonna drop the issue entirely or what?
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Jun 27, 2015 00:51
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mandatory lesbian posted:im pretty sure lindsey graham said that "we should respect the judges decision" but i might be hallucinating Yeah, Graham's reaction had few tears. Which is probably one of the many reasons he'll never get the nomination. Cubey posted:Every recent poll shows that a large, and still growing, majority of Americans are in favor of same-sex marriage. What exactly is the GOP's endgame for bravely standing against this ruling? Do they think that going against the will of the general public will somehow help in the general election, or are they just saying this poo poo now to hopefully get through the primaries and then whoever is chosen as the candidate is gonna drop the issue entirely or what? Well, you know, when you get the nomination you get to kind of erase what came before. Like an Etch-A-Sketch.
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Jun 27, 2015 00:58
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Feather posted:SCOTUS today is a conservative court. Whatever you mean by this, it appears to have no point in assertion. quote:They ruled correctly. It is independent of whether the two parties are otherwise engaged in a perpetual wedge-issue "fight." Edit: and further, I wasn't using the decision as an example of rearranging deck chairs, but as a means to highlight the fact that this wedge issue was resolved by a movement of people circumventing both parties. Your interpretation is either accidentally wildly off target or laughably intellectually dishonest. But the people aren't circumventing both parties. If another Roberts and another Alioto were on there, the decision would have gone against gay marriage. The reason that they are not on there, and Kagan and Sotomayor are instead, is because Obama, a Democrat, was elected and not McCain, a Republican. Therefore, electing Obama vs. McCain was not rearranging deck chairs. Is there anything about this that's not clear? Feather posted:Have you stopped beating your wife yet? I've never beaten my wife. You, however, appear to only post from a single-issue perspective, that of class divide and wealth inequality. Again, I am completely and absolutely in agreement that wealth inequality and the problems of capitalism are hugely deleterious to our society and our democracy. However, I think that other issues are very important too. Obdicut fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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http://www.theonion.com/graphic/candidate-profile-bobby-jindal-50756quote:Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal declared Wednesday his candidacy for the 2016 presidential nomination, although the Rhodes Scholar and one-time Republican rising star faces difficult odds in a jam-packed primary field. Here’s what you need to know about Jindal: Read at the link, formatting is better there. quote:Will Most Likely Be Remembered For: Endorsing Jeb Bush after Iowa caucus But that one deserves special attention. 
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Jun 27, 2015 01:08
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Hillary is speaking at the Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Virginia tonight and is referring to "a Republican candidate" when quoting Donald Trump.
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Jun 27, 2015 01:47
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Joementum posted:Hillary is speaking at the Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Virginia tonight and is referring to "a Republican candidate" when quoting Donald Trump. Jefferson-Jackson? As in Thomas "I raped my slaves and only freed my slave children after my death" Jefferson and Andrew "Trail of Tears" Jackson?  I feel like John Oliver needs to have a "Why is this still a thing?" segment about this.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Jefferson-Jackson? As in Thomas "I raped my slaves and only freed my slave children after my death" Jefferson and Andrew "Trail of Tears" Jackson? Yeah, the founders of the Democratic party would probably not vote for its current candidates.
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