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Discendo Vox posted:There's a pretty big difference between "this feature seems like it's overemphasized" and "poor design causes some basic unlocks to be permanently missable", or "the game permanently sends me through the floor and saves my file there". Origins was most buggy on the PC version (much like Knight!) and many of the things you complain about don't exist on the console version or have been present in other games. (Including the game saving in an unescapable area.) I know you like Rocksteady but there ain't really any excuse for the design problems in Knight beyond 'the studio made us do it." Even if you don't mind the Batmobile stuff it's pretty clear that it is significantly less well-designed than the rest of the game. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 02:09
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ImpAtom posted:Origins was most buggy on the PC version (much like Knight!) and many of the things you complain about don't exist on the console version or have been present in other games. (Including the game saving in an unescapable area.) My point is you're confusing bugs or fundamental defects with a questionable design choice and something that hasn't been reproduced. I don't know of a My Alibi equivalent in Knight, nor have I seen any indication that any of these things were attributable to the main developer, as was the case with many of the problems in Origins. Knight has a bad port, Origins was badly made from the ground up. The defects of the Batmobile stuff (which appears to amount to "there's too much of it, it's not what I wanted") really doesn't compare with "there are only two-three chances to complete this challenge in a given playthrough, and no indication that this is the case"- or "disarm and destroy is accessible after 80% of the main story is complete". Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 02:17
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Who's officer bouldon again?
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Jun 27, 2015 02:43
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Discendo Vox posted:My point is you're confusing bugs or fundamental defects with a questionable design choice and something that hasn't been reproduced. I don't know of a My Alibi equivalent in Knight, nor have I seen any indication that any of these things were attributable to the main developer, as was the case with many of the problems in Origins. ... What? No I'm not. The fact that you're dividing it into 'fundamental defects' and 'questionable design choices' based off "I like it" and "I don't like it" is pretty goddamn telling I have to say. If someone dislikes the Batmobile it is absolutely a more significant detriment to their enjoyment of the game than a missable challenge in Arkham Origins. I've encountered replicatible bugs in Arkham Knight including one which crashed my PS4 so hard I have to literally unplug the system to get it to turn off. It is absolutely a flawed game. It's still a very good game but you're absolutely not holding the two to the same standards. And in terms of actual bad PC releases, Knight's eclipses Origins to a frankly ridiculous degree and no amount of 'it was ported by an outside developer' will change that or excuse that. It would only matter if you were talking about Rocksteady being at fault for it. Otherwise it only matters if you're trying to fanboy-wank about how you can't hold the game responsible for having a lovely port.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:44
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My favorite thing to do in this game is finish fights with the stun juggle kick because like 50% of the time it ends hilariously and the ragdoll goes crazy.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:50
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bunnyofdoom posted:Who's officer bouldon again? The officer that really really wants to bone Poison Ivy Also I just discovered a glitch where the visual effect doesn't appear on electrified enemies, which really made that fight unfun.
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Jun 27, 2015 02:57
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ImpAtom posted:And in terms of actual bad PC releases, Knight's eclipses Origins to a frankly ridiculous degree and no amount of 'it was ported by an outside developer' will change that or excuse that. It would only matter if you were talking about Rocksteady being at fault for it. Otherwise it only matters if you're trying to fanboy-wank about how you can't hold the game responsible for having a lovely port. That's literally what he was saying, he was responding to someone else saying that Rocksteady's reputation is taking a hit from the PC port. Knuc U Kinte posted:The batmobile is the GTA 4 car handling of this game. Only noobies hate it. Pretend I empty quoted this. Game is great. Bat mobile owns. Sorry PC players, hope your issues get fixed soon. Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 03:03
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Pirate Jet posted:That's literally what he was saying, he was responding to someone else saying that Rocksteady's reputation is taking a hit from the PC port. No he wasn't. Fargin Icehole posted:Jesus, it's like Arkham Origins all over again. This is the post he responded to. It, nor the one it is responding to, say anything about Rocksteady.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:12
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CharlestonJew posted:So the 2 best characters in the game are Officer Boulden and the lonely checkpoint commander That commander has a surprising amount of dialog just grumbling about how he'll show everyone that he can do it all by himself. I left him alone cause I want him to be the one guy to walk away going TOLD YOU GUYS. His checkpoint isn't even in a useful spot to guard.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:16
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I really wish Rocksteady has focused on giving us a populated city rather than the Batmobile. I actually like driving around, but Arkhams four games are exclusively filled with thugs that sound like the same three guys.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:19
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ghostwritingduck posted:I really wish Rocksteady has focused on giving us a populated city rather than the Batmobile. I actually like driving around, but Arkhams four games are exclusively filled with thugs that sound like the same three guys. I'm not really sure how you do that and make it both meaningful and fun, to be honest. I can't really see what civilians would add.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:22
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ImpAtom posted:I'm not really sure how you do that and make it both meaningful and fun, to be honest. I can't really see what civilians would add. Batman could go full on Prototype and "knock out" citizens by grappling up the side of a building with grandma and throwing her off.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:29
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ImpAtom posted:I'm not really sure how you do that and make it both meaningful and fun, to be honest. I can't really see what civilians would add. Well... You're probably right. The empty city just feels artificial in a way Asylum didn't. Batman comes off like a dick when he punches, tortures, and runs over everyone who has the nerve to not flee the city. Rocksteady's gameplay feels like its at direct odds with the story at times.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:30
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Tell you what though, it's the best combat this series has ever seen. Can't wait until it loving WORKS
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Jun 27, 2015 03:30
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Fargin Icehole posted:Tell you what though, it's the best combat this series has ever seen. Can't wait until it loving WORKS It really is. Almost every single change they've made is a huge improvement. If they put out an Infinite Challenge Room/100 Challenge Room DLC like the previous games had I'd buy it.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:43
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With all the LexCorp stuff I wonder if Rocksteady is planning on some kind of Superman game.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:44
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There really needs to be an option to turn down the frequency of criminal chatter. I can't go 10 seconds without hearing the same blathering.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:44
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plape tickler posted:There really needs to be an option to turn down the frequency of criminal chatter. I can't go 10 seconds without hearing the same blathering. I still haven't figured out how to catch up with Man-Bat so half the chatter is coming from him.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:48
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Rirse posted:I still haven't figured out how to catch up with Man-Bat so half the chatter is coming from him. Jump off a tall building he's flying by and land on top of him.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:49
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plape tickler posted:There really needs to be an option to turn down the frequency of criminal chatter. I can't go 10 seconds without hearing the same blathering. Thug chat is like half the charm. "YOU EVER WONDER IF WE'RE JUST PAWNS IN SOME BIG POINTLESS GAME?! No? Me neither." "Better Gotham than Keystone; at least you can see Batman coming..." "I got poisoned by Ivy back in the Asylum, and I still feel guilty whenever I step on grass."
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Jun 27, 2015 03:49
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Funky Valentine posted:With all the LexCorp stuff I wonder if Rocksteady is planning on some kind of Superman game. I know they said this would be the last Batman game, but I sincerely hope there's a kickass easter egg that hints at their next project like in the previous games.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:51
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All the most wanted missions in this game feel too short, although looking back at Arkham City they do seem to be generally more fleshed out. With the Hush mission though, the twist was great but it was disappointing when that was literally all there was to it. Also, Hush and Harley not being locked up in GCPD bothers my OCD and deprives me of driving them to lockup which I always found satisfying. In fact, it would have been cool if there were some supervillains wandering the town without associated side missions that you could track down and lock up.
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Jun 27, 2015 03:59
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drat, the last Riddler race was so freaking hard... Until I tried the first person mode. Then it was super easy. Wtf Batman, why didn't you do that before?
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Jun 27, 2015 03:59
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It's kind of odd how people thought there were no other heroes in the Arkham Universe when there's an explicit reference to Captain Boomerang in Origins. But I know one of the Militia guys mentions Superman and apparently someone else mentions Flash? That's pretty cool. Speaking of which, I'd love to have a Flash game. You'd just need to limit his speed in a believable way, I guess.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:00
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Proposition Joe posted:All the most wanted missions in this game feel too short, although looking back at Arkham City they do seem to be generally more fleshed out. Man-Bat's takes forever because there's a long wait between when you can hunt him down. I think Two-Face's is the only one you can do in one-shot the moment you get it.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:01
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Calaveron posted:I know they said this would be the last Batman game, but I sincerely hope there's a kickass easter egg that hints at their next project like in the previous games. Time to use multiple explosive gels on literally every wall in the game. Messing with the ini files like crazy gave me partially acceptable performance, I can see such a fun game in here. If the performance issues get worked out I could see this being my favorite, I even like the batmobile.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:02
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Did we ever find out what the big secret hint towards their next project was in City? Rocksteady said that the "City of Fear" boat apparently wasn't the only one.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:05
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:It's kind of odd how people thought there were no other heroes in the Arkham Universe when there's an explicit reference to Captain Boomerang in Origins. There weren't any real references to other heroes before Origins, is the thing. Metropolis and Keystone are mentioned in City as part of Hugo's Arkham City chain of prisons, but no mention about how their heroes might react to them. There's a brief reference to the Injustice Gang in Asylum, and by extension that means the Justice League is a thing, but Asylum also talks about Hugo Strange and Hush like Batman's met them many times before.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:05
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Fair enough. On another note, there's a mod to play as all of the characters in Free Roam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXeJNHHv-qY Red Hood's takedown at 6:20. 
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Jun 27, 2015 04:07
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Pirate Jet posted:Did we ever find out what the big secret hint towards their next project was in City? Rocksteady said that the "City of Fear" boat apparently wasn't the only one. What? Really?
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Jun 27, 2015 04:12
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You can get 100% even after you have Azrael spare Batman. The last one is the corrupt cop who goes in a holding cell, not the big lock-up. If Rocksteady made a Flash game, I feel like it would be a lot of the non-tank Batmobile sections.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:12
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SonicRulez posted:You can get 100% even after you have Azrael spare Batman. The last one is the corrupt cop who goes in a holding cell, not the big lock-up. If Rocksteady made a Flash game, I feel like it would be a lot of the non-tank Batmobile sections. Clunky and not actually fast at all? EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I liked the Batmobile; that final fight against the giant thing in the tunnels was loving fantastic, but the Batmobile really does feel too clunky at times. Calaveron fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 04:16
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Yeah, I think you have to kind of ignore most of what Arkham Asylum implies about the world for it to make sense. It's clearly prior to them trying to worldbuild.
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Jun 27, 2015 04:17
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ImpAtom posted:No he wasn't. Right, the one who made it about Rocksteady was you. You're arguing both sides of the developer and launch issues. And yeah, I'll go ahead and say "permanently missable objects with no indicators" is worse than "there's too much batmobile, which I personally don't enjoy". edit: Am I the only one who thinks having Red Hood constantly hold both his pistols in his hands makes him look ridiculous in combat? Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 04:39
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Fair enough. Aw, they don't actually let you do that? That's bullshit. It seemed like the game was leading up to that. Edit: Btw, that is a Batman takedown. I've seen him do it. Those characters don't have unique interrogation animations. futureproof fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 04:43
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Harlock posted:Feels like Conroy is losing the voice a little bit. Or just getting old. He sounds the same to me.
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Jun 27, 2015 05:08
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Discendo Vox posted:Right, the one who made it about Rocksteady was you. You're arguing both sides of the developer and launch issues. And yeah, I'll go ahead and say "permanently missable objects with no indicators" is worse than "there's too much batmobile, which I personally don't enjoy". No, I'm really not. Origins was a flawed game. Knight is a flawed game. They are flawed in different ways (and I think Knight is a better game) but that doesn't excuse Knight's flaws. The comparisons to Origins, especially with regards to the poor quality of the PC port, are completely valid. As for the other thing:. the Batmobile makes up a very large chunk of gameplay. If you dislike the Batmobile, even if you like the rest of the games or liked the previous games, it has an extremely negative impact on your enjoyment. Missing the challenge in Origins is annoying but is otherwise represents a very minor impact on the game. Of the two, the one that is mandatory, dominates huge chunks of the game, and is a large departure from the core gameplay of the last 2 (or 3 if you count Origins) games in the series is a much more significant Bad Design Decision that having to get a challenge on a New Game +. That isn't defending the fact that is a problem but of the two one can be ignored and the other can't.
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Jun 27, 2015 05:19
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futureproof posted:Btw, that is a Batman takedown. I've seen him do it. Those characters don't have unique interrogation animations. Batman doesn't kill, but he slams people head first into concrete. I don't think someone on the dev team thought that all the way through.
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Jun 27, 2015 05:26
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Batman doesn't kill, but he slams people head first into concrete. Batman doesn't kill, he rams people's cars off the road and into walls at 70mph! It's okay. They were... rubber... walls?
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