The Gamergate: Girls have cooties and they are infecting Mega Man!

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Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Exclamation Marx posted:

but it's pretty indicative of the immature, 2edgy4u nature of people who think video games is the greatest civil rights issue of our time.

Wow, somebody needs to set this incredibly insightful realization in stone so it may never be lost

# ? Jun 27, 2015 04:53

LostRook: Jun 7, 2013

Unfunny Poster posted:

Yeah, she won the prize for the thing he headed. I don't know if it was before, during, or after their supposed affair though.

I'm pretty sure Arnott just chose the game for inclusion, I don't think it actually won.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 04:54

Scrub-Niggurath: Nov 27, 2007

LostRook posted:

I'm pretty sure Arnott just chose the game for inclusion, I don't think it actually won.

Yeah I don't really know the intricacies but http://www.indiecade.com/2013/festival_nightgames/ is the thing that's in question.

Edit - According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiecade#IndieCade_2013_finalists it didn't end up getting any awards.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 04:57

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Dapper_Swindler posted:

no. I am not some /pol/ tard who drinks the right wing kool aid and believes the jews and leftists control everything or some poo poo. I just dont like oversensitive neo puritans shiting on things i like because they are too lovely to fight for actual things like the fact that pro choice rights are slowly being eroded or that cops can get away with shooting black kids in the back.

what gives you the right to determine what people should and should not care about

e: this seems like a common accusation, "I don't like these people pointing out problems in things i enjoy when they could be out, like ending world hunger"

seems like a way of deflecting criticism by accusing the critic of not really caring, of being a fundamentally immoral person who should be ignored. it seems like a good way to avoid actually thinking about the uncomfortable criticism

boner confessor fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jun 27, 2015

# ? Jun 27, 2015 04:59

Motto: Aug 3, 2013

Al Cowens posted:

I will say this, though, at least they have the honesty to call me a degenerate friend of the family to my face than the condescending rainbow hair with asinine euphemisms like "people of color"

Have you considered that perhaps both groups are very bad?

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:00

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Al Cowens posted:

There are no /pol/ roots. There are some people who just happen to be /pol/acks that tried to work there way in and are fairly routinely shouted down and all sorts of internal schisms. Not a monolith. I will say this, though, at least they have the honesty to call me a degenerate friend of the family to my face than the condescending rainbow hair with asinine euphemisms like "people of color"

what if the people with rainbow hair aren't actually being snide at you? what if that's personal insecurity coupled with the fact that nuanced communication is super hard to do over text?

personally, i respect people more when they can restrain their bigotry and be polite towards others. i think that's an indicator of maturity and empathy

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:00

Dapper Dan: Dec 16, 2004; Can't post for 3 years!

Motto posted:

Have you considered that perhaps both groups are very bad?

This would be the second time I have had to refer to one of my own posts in this thread, and I have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Al Cowens posted:

This cuts both ways. Also third party internet trolls.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:03

achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

Dapper Dan posted:

Part of the problem is that 'gamergate' itself is so diverse with issues that people care about, its hard to define. Some are hardcore MRA libtards (see Budget Kane and Fat Jon Romero), some are conservatives willing to exploit the anger against dirty liberals for cash and political capital (Milo Yanniopolis and that stupid Fox News Piece of poo poo who got beat up by a union man), others just care about the game journalism, others care about censorship and others care about the sjws/secular moralists/neo puritans/etc. And then some interests overlap. Others don't care at all and want just pieces from each. Some are liberals, some are conservative and some are I don't know what.

So its a big mish-mash of poo poo, you could probably define it as whatever you want, since the bar of entry is posting the hashtag on twitter. Which is not a very high bar at all.

And some are mad about jokes that Tim Schafer makes at an award show. How could anyone hate Tim Schafer, he seems like such a cool dude :smith:

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:05

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Dapper Dan posted:

Part of the problem is that 'gamergate' itself is so diverse with issues that people care about, its hard to define. Some are hardcore MRA libtards (see Budget Kane and Fat Jon Romero), some are conservatives willing to exploit the anger against dirty liberals for cash and political capital (Milo Yanniopolis and that stupid Fox News Piece of poo poo who got beat up by a union man), others just care about the game journalism, others care about censorship and others care about the sjws/secular moralists/neo puritans/etc. And then some interests overlap. Others don't care at all and want just pieces from each. Some are liberals, some are conservative and some are I don't know what.

So its a big mish-mash of poo poo, you could probably define it as whatever you want, since the bar of entry is posting the hashtag on twitter. Which is not a very high bar at all.

so like the confederate flag, why wave around a symbol inexorably tainted with hatred if you're doing so for some benign purpose such as honoring your totally not racist grandpappy? why would someone who is sincerely concerned with ethics in journalism make common cause with literal white supremacists? doesn't that look confusing and guilty-by-association to outsiders, which is the other 99.9% of society?

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:05

Bholder: Feb 26, 2013

Gamergate is nice and all but most importantly:

I am still smarter than you.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:09

Fabricated: Apr 9, 2007; Living the Dream

achillesforever6 posted:

And some are mad about jokes that Tim Schafer makes at an award show. How could anyone hate Tim Schafer, he seems like such a cool dude

dude is way past his prime and kinda just shits out half completed games after setting record after record on kickstarter

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:09

Al Cowens: Aug 11, 2004; by WE B Bourgeois

Fabricated posted:

dude is way past his prime and kinda just shits out half completed games after setting record after record on kickstarter

didnt he waste like 3 million dollars or some poo poo.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:10

Motto: Aug 3, 2013

achillesforever6 posted:

And some are mad about jokes that Tim Schafer makes at an award show. How could anyone hate Tim Schafer, he seems like such a cool dude

The explosion of hate against Schafer over the course of Broken Age's development was ridiculous, but I thought the bit his company put out for the Video Game Awards was pretty lovely. Even without being invested in it, it just felt really overly snarky, especially for a small intermission during an awards show. I also think that despite the charm of his games, he's proven that publishers were right about him being bad at getting a game out on time and budget.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:11

LostRook: Jun 7, 2013

Al Cowens posted:

What if bats flew out my rear end? What then? Have you ever considered such a scenario?

that's a far more unlikely scenario than an individual goon having communication and insecurity issues

Al Cowens posted:

Do those Wolfenstein games explicitly endorse national socialism? They sure do have a lot of swastikas in them, after all.

i think a game where you play an all american shooting hundreds of nazis in the face does not endorse any of the views of national socialism, and even then they have a big disclaimer to clarify. that's just something i picked up from context though, because i've actually played those games and know a thing or two about history

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:12

turnways: Jun 22, 2004

LostRook posted:

One rear end in a top hat on twitter is waving it around? What about all the anti-GG people repeatedly defending a pedophile? Are you guilty by association?

so there's only one person on twitter who is actually into gamergate for ethical journalism, is what you are saying?

if anti-gg people were known popularly for defending pedophiles, maybe. but the larger narrative about this whole idiocy is that the gamergaters harass women over video games, and the anti gamer gaters don't like that. you'll have to actually make a case when you dredge up details about who tweeted what to who when in order to make anyone care, and even then i'd admit that i wouldn't read that post because this isn't a court of law and i don't care at all about quantifying which side said what about who's mother

boner confessor fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 27, 2015

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:13

Bholder: Feb 26, 2013

achillesforever6 posted:

And some are mad about jokes that Tim Schafer makes at an award show. How could anyone hate Tim Schafer, he seems like such a cool dude

The joke was lame as hell.

HURR HURR ETHICS, AM I RIGHT GUYS SO FUNNY. Also sockpuppets because that means something

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:14

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Bholder posted:

The joke was lame as hell.

HURR HURR ETHICS, AM I RIGHT GUYS SO FUNNY. Also sockpuppets because that means something

there was also this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huWfrqHvUII

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:16

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Dreylad posted:

I asked the same thing earlier in this thread with GG's close association with 8chan, the forum that's composed of people who want a place to post child porn but got no answer. I guess it's an uncomfortable alliance?

it's probably just difficult to ask people who are so invested in the details of the great twitter war what they think said war looks like from the perspective of people who have absolutely no idea this has been going on for a year

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:17

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=81&v=n1tFbZ5kaY8

this is pretty much how i see anti's

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:18

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Dreylad posted:

I asked the same thing earlier in this thread with GG's close association with 8chan, the forum that's composed of people who want a place to post child porn but got no answer. I guess it's an uncomfortable alliance?

I don't know about why 8chan was made, but it's where a bunch of gamergaters went when they were driven out of 4chan for being too annoying, if you can believe that.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:19

LostRook: Jun 7, 2013

Dreylad posted:

the forum that's composed of people who want a place to post child porn but got no answer. I guess it's an uncomfortable alliance?

That's a hell of a question to ask on SA.

You might as well say that everyone that posts on reddit is a pedophile cause of r/jailbait.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:19

Dapper Dan: Dec 16, 2004; Can't post for 3 years!

achillesforever6 posted:

And some are mad about jokes that Tim Schafer makes at an award show. How could anyone hate Tim Schafer, he seems like such a cool dude

It is the offensive taken to the other side. GG'ers can be just as sensitive to bad jokes about them than the other side. Also Tim Schafer did lose a lot of fans with Space Base and closing it up when it was still in Alpha, leaving people in the cold. But that really doesn't have much to do with GG.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:19

Al Cowens: Aug 11, 2004; by WE B Bourgeois

Dapper Dan posted:

It is the offensive taken to the other side. GG'ers can be just as sensitive to bad jokes about them than the other side. Also Tim Schafer did lose a lot of fans with Space Base and closing it up when it was still in Alpha, leaving people in the cold. But that really doesn't have much to do with GG.

It's not making fun of GG that offended people, it's making fun of #notyourshield. If you can't get why people would be upset with a white man making fun of and erasing minorities, I don't know what to say.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:21

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Motto posted:

I don't know about why 8chan was made, but it's where a bunch of gamergaters went when they were driven out of 4chan for being too annoying, if you can believe that.

Wasn't the claim that Moot was "corrupted by SJWs"?

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:22

Dapper Dan: Dec 16, 2004; Can't post for 3 years!

LostRook posted:

It's not making fun of GG that offended people, it's making fun of #notyourshield. If you can't get why people would be upset with a white man making fun of and erasing minorities, I don't know what to say.

Ah poo poo, I totally forgot that part about it.

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:22

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

LostRook posted:

That's a hell of a question to ask on SA.

You might as well say that everyone that posts on reddit is a pedophile cause of r/jailbait.

i know people keep throwing this accusation around, but as soon as aatrek was confirmed as a sexual abuser, he was permabanned. many other users have been permad for actual or cartoon child porn over the years. it is not permitted here

reddit still hems and haws about banning jailbait and other morally questionable things

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:23

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

yeah. they would love to see.. you as an ...antebellum...what?

the gently caress?

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:24

LostRook: Jun 7, 2013

Dapper Dan posted:

I can't speak for everyone, but I think most of it just didn't want it taken out of historical war games or simulations. And others didn't want to defend their heritage or whatever (there might have been, I have no idea) but didn't want it being censored because of free speech issues. For me, it is a bit more complicated because I loathe the loving thing, but at the same time I support freedom of speech.

i agree with you here, but what does this have to do with SJWs or gamergate

Dapper Dan posted:

Part of it is the theory of the chain of free speech, which states that free speech is only as strong as its weakest link, which is really ugly, hateful poo poo. That's why you get the ACLU defending the KKK and Neo-Nazis. It isn't accepting of the flag itself or the ideas behind it, its accepting that people have a right to say what they want without it being censored, even if it is the most repugnant poo poo imaginable. I do have a hard time stomaching that, as chattle slavery was one of the loving most awful things in our history and that flag should never fly anywhere.

i see free speech as a garden. if you let anything grow wherever it wants, you're going ot end up with an ugly mess where the biggest and most obnoxious plants take most of the space. you have to trim and moderate things to allow all plants to grow

like i don't see chan type boards as a bastion of free speech, i see it as an obnoxious shrieking mass where the people with the most time to waste and most tolerance for horrid things dominate the conversation through sheer persistence, by driving all other opinions away

in my office job i don't steer meetings the way i want them to go, if i want something to happen i speak the right words to the right people at the right time and things happen the way i want them to. blurting about how much my opinion matters and how much power i have isn't going to get me what i want, i have to work within the rules that everyone collectively decides on and not the rules as i Will them to be

# ? Jun 27, 2015 05:26

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