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Sharkie posted:
TL:DR feminist games academics talking about using social engineering to try to push their agendas into as many games as possible.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:38
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I'll bet Phil Fish's mom thinks he's a nice guy and who are you to disagree with her?
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Jun 27, 2015 09:39
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circ dick soleil posted:I'll bet Phil Fish's mom thinks he's a nice guy and who are you to disagree with her? I didn't even like Fez, my goodwill was at a resting state before I even saw his twitter
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Jun 27, 2015 09:40
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Here's a summary of a meeting between some feminist games academics and some journalist. Their is a video you can watch for personal confirmation this happened. http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/31fio8/happenings_this_is_the_smoking_gun_8ch_summary/cq19u4q can you please summarize the pile of words on an anti-feminist reddit because you're asking a lot from people who aren't intrinsically going to take you at your word that the anti-feminist reddit is telling the truth
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Jun 27, 2015 09:41
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afeelgoodpoop posted:TL:DR feminist games academics talking about using social engineering to try to push their agendas into as many games as possible. Could you give me a TL:DR on what their agendas are? For all you've said they could be pushing to include gravity guns in every game, which is something everyone can get behind.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:41
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Here's a summary of a meeting between some feminist games academics and some journalist. Their is a video you can watch for personal confirmation this happened. http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/31fio8/happenings_this_is_the_smoking_gun_8ch_summary/cq19u4q I was asking about your thoughts on how feminism is harming games/gamers, not a link to a video on reddit. Also another question, why do you think feminism is bullshit, or is it only bullshit when it treads on videogames ground?
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Jun 27, 2015 09:41
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afeelgoodpoop already used a TL:DR. You can go read it yourself if you'd like to know more.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:42
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Al Cowens posted:afeelgoodpoop already used a TL:DR. You can go read it yourself if you'd like to know more. i wouldn't, really. i can throw some insults and be comfortable in my position without cross-referencing angry tweets all night long. my time is more valuable than this executive summaries exist for a reason, and, while i am not an executive, i do see the value in such a thing it's useful to bring summarized and non-partisan research to the table when you're trying to convince someone to do a thing, rather than just upending a big nasty smelling sack of poo poo on the floor and daring your opponent to dig through it
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Jun 27, 2015 09:44
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The most important thing to take away from it is they talk about using "devious" tactics. like fake controversys, slandering everyone who plays games in an attempt to curb whatever it's slandering it over. Real Soviet style poo poo.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:44
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Al Cowens posted:afeelgoodpoop already used a TL:DR. You can go read it yourself if you'd like to know more. So everyone has the same agenda? It would feel really good to know we're all on the same page.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:44
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it was also the national press who called gamergate a harassment campaing. twenty years from now the legacy of gamergate will be "white male internet nerds told women to kill themselves" 20 years from now the only people who know anything at all about gamergate will also be overly familiar with a man's gaping anus
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Jun 27, 2015 09:45
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afeelgoodpoop posted:The most important thing to take away from it is they talk about using "devious" tactics. like fake controversys, slandering everyone who plays games in an attempt to curb whatever it's slandering it over. Real Soviet style poo poo. All over videogames. Lol.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:45
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The Droid posted:People are dumb? Totalbiscuit ran around for some time trying to make the matter actually about ethics in games journalism, obviously that didn't pan out too well but at least he managed to talk some people out of getting involved in this shitstorm in the process. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s4nmr1/ To give him some real credit, even if it was ultimately to his own benefit in his war with "games journalism," he really believed in trying to "rehabilitate the gate" and called on everyone who would listen to stop harassing and hateful tweeting in general. I'd like to think that made at least a small difference. https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13mv3hw3xnns5d4004ceryhtzv2tfxqyq00k He even pointed out that the (at the time) most retweeted person on the hashtag (that's twitter for you), PressFartToContinue, for being a serial harasser and stalker of his Polaris network friends. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/nh2uij 
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Jun 27, 2015 09:45
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afeelgoodpoop posted:The most important thing to take away from it is they talk about using "devious" tactics. like fake controversys, slandering everyone who plays games in an attempt to curb whatever it's slandering it over. Real Soviet style poo poo. where does it say this Eustachy posted:20 years from now the only people who know anything at all about gamergate will also be overly familiar with a man's gaping anus i'm already familiar with that anus, right now. i regard it as an old friend, a comfortable pair of sneakers well past their prime that hug my feet like a comforting mother
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Jun 27, 2015 09:46
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i wouldn't, really. i can throw some insults and be comfortable in my position without cross-referencing angry tweets all night long. my time is more valuable than this not readin but guessin: a bunch of people under 30 got high on their own farts and suggested they "transform society" through video gaming like a nerdy drum circle, gamergate shits pants
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Jun 27, 2015 09:46
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When the people associated with the "indie gaming clique" tweet things like this when their art game that is boring and pretentious by art game standards fails and drives them out of business, is it hard to see why people might not like them? 
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Jun 27, 2015 09:47
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But pushing that agenda is 100% good. It doesn't matter if gamers want to see those messages or not, they should be forced to see them, because they are barbarians and need wise, civilizing women academics to restructure their minds to comply with feminism. Everyone should comply with the expectations of feminism.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:47
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The Droid posted:When the people associated with the "indie gaming clique" tweet things like this when their art game that is boring and pretentious by art game standards fails and drives them out of business, is it hard to see why people might not like them?
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Jun 27, 2015 09:48
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Popular Thug Drink posted:where does it say this A lot of people have been saying it so I'm hesitant to believe that they're all making it up. That can't be right.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:48
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The Droid posted:When the people associated with the "indie gaming clique" tweet things like this when their art game that is boring and pretentious by art game standards fails and drives them out of business, is it hard to see why people might not like them? i find it difficult to articulate in a non-offensive way why i should ever give a poo poo about this person or this person's opinion let alone the people who venemously oppose this person and this person's opinion circ dick soleil posted:A lot of people have been saying it so I'm hesitant to believe that they're all making it up. That can't be right. lots of people believe we never landed on the moon. by default, people are stupid, and mass appeals to people's beliefs are also stupid
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Jun 27, 2015 09:49
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afeelgoodpoop posted:The most important thing to take away from it is they talk about using "devious" tactics. like fake controversys, slandering everyone who plays games in an attempt to curb whatever it's slandering it over. Real Soviet style poo poo. They'll be erasing men from photos next!
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Jun 27, 2015 09:50
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Here's a summary of a meeting between some feminist games academics and some journalist. Their is a video you can watch for personal confirmation this happened. http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/31fio8/happenings_this_is_the_smoking_gun_8ch_summary/cq19u4q Why is this link asking me to help 8chan and why are they tracking who Zoe Quinn is seen at weddings with?
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Jun 27, 2015 09:51
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SedanChair posted:But pushing that agenda is 100% good. It doesn't matter if gamers want to see those messages or not, they should be forced to see them, because they are barbarians and need wise, civilizing women academics to restructure their minds to comply with feminism. Everyone should comply with the expectations of feminism. If you push it in an inept, awkward, borderline insulting way that makes the end user realize that they spent $20 to press E to fold clothes and walk around a minimalist apartment whiling listening to a dull monologue then it doesn't matter what you're trying to push.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:51
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i find it difficult to articulate in a non-offensive way why i should ever give a poo poo about this person or this person's opinion let alone the people who venemously oppose this person and this person's opinion It's a lovely 3rd-tier indie game studio that never once succeeded in turning a profit. They were a major threat to videogames and free speech and stuff apparently.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:51
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The Droid posted:When the people associated with the "indie gaming clique" tweet things like this when their art game that is boring and pretentious by art game standards fails and drives them out of business, is it hard to see why people might not like them? Why would you form an opinion of anyone other than that specific person based on their tweet? What other characteristics of the people in that photo would you like to judge groups by?
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Jun 27, 2015 09:51
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i find it difficult to articulate in a non-offensive way why i should ever give a poo poo about this person or this person's opinion let alone the people who venemously oppose this person and this person's opinion
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Jun 27, 2015 09:52
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i find it difficult to articulate in a non-offensive way why i should ever give a poo poo about this person or this person's opinion let alone the people who venemously oppose this person and this person's opinion Oh come off it, we're here discussing these issues now and any time you're presented with something concrete regarding them you resort to the care-card or worse the "yeah no, my eyes glaze over, I can't even" copout.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:52
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The Droid posted:If you push it in an inept, awkward, borderline insulting way that makes the end user realize that they spent $20 to press E to fold clothes and walk around a minimalist apartment whiling listening to a dull monologue then it doesn't matter what you're trying to push. But I thought people in this thread have been arguing that its the agenda itself that is the problem, no? In fact I haven't really heard anyone complain about how lovely the games are, just complaints about how the games don't align with their politics. I'd really like it if these Gamergate people kept from trying to railroad their politics into games, but sadly that's not how they operate. circ dick soleil fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 09:53
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Al Cowens posted:tl;dr they made one of those really bad debateably not-actually-a-game games and it was not well received and nobody liked it and nobody bought it so they ragequit from the marketplace Why are you invested?
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Jun 27, 2015 09:54
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The Droid posted:If you push it in an inept, awkward, borderline insulting way that makes the end user realize that they spent $20 to press E to fold clothes and walk around a minimalist apartment whiling listening to a dull monologue then it doesn't matter what you're trying to push. If they're inept, you shouldn't fear their agenda. I have a feeling you switch positions on this as convenience dictates; either they are menacing feminist valkyries out to confiscate my e-waifu, or they are pathetic and ineffectual. You'll choose the argument that you find most soothing at the time.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:54
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it was also the national press who called gamergate a harassment campaing. twenty years from now the legacy of gamergate will be "white male internet nerds told women to kill themselves" One of Gamergate's goals is to "level up" and go after the national press as well for their ethical breaches as well. We'll see how well they fair at the the SPJ panel. They still haven't won the wikipedia battle. Popular Thug Drink posted:this is a really weird claim. feminism isn't a label, it's a school of thought that you can support. people are feminists when they say feminist things and support feminist causes, it's not an attribute of a person that they just are. nor is it a feminist thing to shame people, that is a thing that some people who identify as feminists may do but there are many equally valid feminists who would disagree with using feminism as an ideolodgical cudgel Feminism isn't a label? I don't think I said it was, but okay whatever. I'm not claiming that all feminists support call out culture though. Some do, some don't. There is a contingent, however, that does support the "calling out" of abusers so that others don't become the victims of said abusers. There are good reasons for this, I suppose, but it can get out of hand, as evidenced by the zoepost. IMO Calling people out / shaming people on the internet is probably the worst kind of harassment because it does actually lead to people losing their jobs, or getting doxxed / harrassed by third parties. It's worse than death threats and abusive language that usually doesn't lead to anything serious, save for maybe swatting, but even that rarely leads to anything serious. Therefore, I think what Eron Gjoni did by publishing that post is worse than anything Zoe Quinn did to him ... until she put a gag order on him and started calling him an abuser. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 09:54
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Cardboard Box A posted:Correct, when he wasn't appearing on Google Hangout livestreams with head gamergaters or tweeting about how this Quinnspiracy thing could actually be true guys he was actively trying to steer the manifest distrust in "games journalism" towards his own benefit as a big name Youtuber popular enough to rival and eventually supplant the gaming press - with none of the responsibility that would come with that visibility because he's not a journalist you see, much like how Fox News is simultaneously the most popular cable news channel and yet not part of the mainstream corporate media. I don't think his initial involvement was anything nefarious, but more so "hey remember the Jeff Gertsman thing? You should probably avoid that sort of poo poo happening again." I do agree with his initial "if Zoe issued a DMCA on a video, it's kind of an abuse of the YouTube DMCA system as the video had no copyright infringement." He did an hour long discussion with Stephen Totilo (Editor in Chief of Kotaku) on the whole thing, and with Rhianna Pratchett (video game story writer who did the recent Tomb Raider games and some other stuff) on representation in games. They're nothing groundbreaking but his overall goal was "let's actually have a discussion like civil adults and not call each other names on Twitter", which seems to have worked in some capacity. Links: Totillo discussion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmIrWqEUUU Prathcett discussion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJUHm9v6uOQ Mekchu fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 09:55
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SedanChair posted:Why would you form an opinion of anyone other than that specific person based on their tweet? Because gaming journalism outlets and games journos came out in droves to lament how these people went out of business and were so great and important? 
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Jun 27, 2015 09:55
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SedanChair posted:But pushing that agenda is 100% good. It doesn't matter if gamers want to see those messages or not, they should be forced to see them, because they are barbarians and need wise, civilizing women academics to restructure their minds to comply with feminism. Everyone should comply with the expectations of feminism. Well that's one way to ensure human extinction.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:55
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Mr. Wookums posted:That doesn't answer the loving why. e: OOPS
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Jun 27, 2015 09:56
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Gianthogweed posted:One of Gamergate's goals is to "level up" and go after the national press as well for their ethical breaches as well. We'll see how well they fair at the the SPJ panel. They still haven't won the wikipedia battle. I have a goal to turn into liquid metal like T-1000.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:56
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afeelgoodpoop posted:Well that's one way to ensure human extinction. Like most barbarians in need of being taught compliance, you believe that only brutalizing women can sustain humanity. This is a poisonous ideology, and you and it should be controlled aggressively.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:58
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The art games deal is a "thing" largely because the gaming press can be overly solicitous towards it in a way that outsizes its actual interest among the consumers, which is a pretty big disconnect from the consumers of the products they're covering. I think a lot of the gaming journos covered in this shitstorm are generally just writing about games to get a byline, and would rather be doing some political blogging somewhere. When you got a disconnect (I'd even go as far as to say contempt) that hard between the audience and writers there's going to be some natural tension going both ways. If Ebert were covering some fresh film grad's 10 minute short, people would think it'd be out of place. Then again, Ebert actually wanted to be writing about movies.
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Jun 27, 2015 09:58
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The Droid posted:Because gaming journalism outlets and games journos came out in droves to lament how these people went out of business and were so great and important? Some guy named Chris is a drove? Also so what? Why should I be concerned about this?
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Gianthogweed posted:One of Gamergate's goals is to "level up" and go after the national press as well for their ethical breaches as well. We'll see how well they fair at the the SPJ panel. They still haven't won the wikipedia battle. My prediction is that they're going to confuse SPJ with SJW (one of their trigger words) and it's going to screw the whole thing up, with gamergaters yelling hysterically at the journalists and calling them hamplanets.
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