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Popular Thug Drink posted:"both sides do it" is not nearly the same argument as "no, we do not do it" who is "we" in this argument. I'm not a part of gamergate I just enjoy watching them piss off tumblr.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:this also seems like psychological projection - generally i don't think the side that opposed wholescale harassment of women is the one with the hangups re: sex   This. Cuts. Both. Ways.
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Jun 27, 2015 19:28
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Literally The Worst posted:I refer you to many more people shrieking about keeping feminism/politics out of games and game reviews because it's ruining everything They have as much right to do that as you have to moan about objectification every time you see a butt.
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Jun 27, 2015 19:29
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Al Cowens posted:The goony fedora neckbeard that can't get laid and has issues with women demographic you poo poo upon have long since moved on to white first-world upper middle class twitter feminism in order to get all up inside that rainbow pussy. are they trying to have sex with the same first world white feminists who are plotting to murder you?
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Al Cowens posted:The goony fedora neckbeard that can't get laid and has issues with women demographic you poo poo upon have long since moved on to white first-world upper middle class twitter feminism in order to get all up inside that rainbow pussy. wow is that josh in trilby, jesus. also it really does cut both ways.
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al cowens, please notify the police if you think anyone out there is actually trying to end your life
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Jun 27, 2015 19:30
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Totalizator posted:They have as much right to do that as you have to moan about objectification every time you see a butt. You miss the point entirely, which is that you're gnashing your teeth about how tumblr does thing when in fact GG also does thing just as loudly
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The thing is, the actual goals of GG, as acknowledged by GG, are wholly without redeeming value. It amounts to wanting feminists out of game advertising. That is it. The thing is, the actual goals of AGG, as acknowledged by AGG, are wholly without redeeming value. It amounts to wanting anyone who disagrees with them out. That is it. e: It is not a case of No True Scotsman. Instead of extreme hatred, AGG endorses "reasonable" hatred. http://popehat.com/2012/03/12/the-difference-between-us-and-them/ as linked before. Morkies posted:i love the implication that having some left wing opinions make you inherently blameless I was thinking the chart rather implies the exact opposite. What's really comical is that it would very likely be almost the exact same spread for AGG- E: if not a bit more to the right actually, far more white people there still. While many on both sides are rather miserable in nature, it's things like the SPJ Airplay that really enlighten. There are people who are willing to put their ideals under scrutiny on one side, even when they are mouthbreathing goony twits who have no debating skills whatsoever and would likely be thrashed again (SargonofAkkad). Whereas the opposing side more or less refuses to take part, electing to scream about how their narrative is the one true and perfect narrative- there can be no questions. The ultimate truth there is that precious few people fear Gamergaters, they fear being turned on by their own for endangering the narrative. The narrative is all, the narrative must not be questioned. We are the good guys, they are the worst monsters ever to be on the wrong side of history. Do not think the unthinkable thoughts. The Snark fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jun 27, 2015 |
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Jun 27, 2015 19:31
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Literally The Worst posted:You miss the point entirely, which is that you're gnashing your teeth about how tumblr does thing when in fact GG also does thing just as loudly One side wants to censor existing things, other side wants them to gently caress off and do their own things. Not equivalent.
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Jun 27, 2015 19:31
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Totalizator posted:One side wants to censor existing things, other side wants them to gently caress off and do their own things. Not equivalent. how does criticism equate to censorship? people saying unkind things about video games is not nearly the same as trying to ban video games. this lack of distinction in your arguments seems overly dramatic and incorrect
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Jun 27, 2015 19:32
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Totalizator posted:One side wants to censor existing things, other side wants them to gently caress off and do their own things. Not equivalent. Actually attempting to silence opposing viewpoints could be defined as censorship if we're using the internet definition of it
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Jun 27, 2015 19:33
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Totalizator posted:I refer you to the first pages of this thread where people had an argument whether a sports bra showing from under a kimono in a character from a fighting game should be considered problematic or not. It's much easyier to draw parallels to puritans against a group who basically screams COVER UP THESE HARLOTS every time a video game has titties in it. If you think that's what they're about, you're wrong. First of all, the argument on the first few pages was not about "COVER UP THESE HARLOTS" Makoto is a fictional character, designed by men, created by men, marketed to men. That some women can find an appeal in it is largely irrelevant as they are not the target demographic. The FICTIONAL aspect is also important. The argument does not stem from the idea that "Women can not be sexualized, at all" it's "Women are always sexualized, men are not" When you compare the rosters of fighting games, on the male side you have a whole host: You have giant turkish wrestlers who oil themselves up before a fight, you have huge fat sumo wrestlers, you have backflipping acrobatic ninjas, green electric men, boxers, marines, crippled doctors, animal-human hybrids, even literal gods. On the female side you have women largely defined by their hairstyles and clothes. The only other aspect of these characters that differs wildly is the size of their boobs and legs, largely depending on the tastes of the guy who created them. The main point isn't that "These should be destroyed" it's "There is more to the human female than this, can we perhaps see it?"
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Totalizator posted:One side wants to censor existing things, other side wants them to gently caress off and do their own things. Not equivalent. What were the core tennents you were referring to earlier?
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This kind of cheerleading of anti-liberal reactionaries always reveals its own hollowness, because they're the same as the people they hate. Affluent liberal humanists. They hate it, but they don't want to confront the corruption behind liberalism (capitalism) and can't offer an alternative. Of course you should mock affluent liberals - the next step is to embrace socialism. But people like Totalizator are liberals and thus part of The Problem.
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Jun 27, 2015 19:35
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Popular Thug Drink posted:how does criticism equate to censorship? people saying unkind things about video games is not nearly the same as trying to ban video games. this lack of distinction in your arguments seems overly dramatic and incorrect Things have been changed because of neopuritan complaints before. People have been fired. Maybe there is a line but I don't see it. If GG demanded feminist themes removed from existing games, and people with progressive beliefs fired, I would oppose them all the same. For example I have a beef with the crowd who doesn't like female Thor. as it's not their prerogative to say what Marvel or Marvel authors can and can't do with Thor for once, and the reasoning behind the complaints was basically 100% retarded sexism.
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Jun 27, 2015 19:36
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Totalizator posted:Things have been changed because of neopuritan complaints before. People have been fired. Maybe there is a line but I don't see it. If GG demanded feminist themes removed from existing games, and people with progressive beliefs fired, I would oppose them all the same. For example I have a beef with the crowd who doesn't like female Thor. as it's not their prerogative to say what Marvel or Marvel authors can and can't do with Thor for once, and the reasoning behind the complaints was basically 100% retarded sexism. That's actually a thing GG wants though.
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Jun 27, 2015 19:37
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Totalizator posted:Things have been changed because of neopuritan complaints before. People have been fired. Maybe there is a line but I don't see it. If GG demanded feminist themes removed from existing games, and people with progressive beliefs fired, I would oppose them all the same. There is no conspiracy to make you unhappy.
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Literally The Worst posted:Actually attempting to silence opposing viewpoints could be defined as censorship if we're using the internet definition of it 
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Sharkie posted:What were the core tennents you were referring to earlier? Identity politics for the most part, coupled with an authoritarian bent and demented babbling about cis scum. Basically they're the intellectual sewage pit of leftist thought but they do technically base on it.
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Hmmm yes I'm sure there's nothing else to this exchange
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Totalizator posted:Things have been changed because of neopuritan complaints before. People have been fired. Maybe there is a line but I don't see it. If GG demanded feminist themes removed from existing games, and people with progressive beliefs fired, I would oppose them all the same. For example I have a beef with the crowd who doesn't like female Thor. as it's not their prerogative to say what Marvel or Marvel authors can and can't do with Thor for once, and the reasoning behind the complaints was basically 100% retarded sexism. Are all of your engagements with the world soundly within the realm of pop culture children's entertainment? It may be no wonder that you ended up with weird ideas about "leftists" if your understanding is limited to how they inform current expressions of such valuable institutions as spider-man and final fantasy.
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Literally The Worst posted:LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
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Totalizator posted:Things have been changed because of neopuritan complaints before. People have been fired. Maybe there is a line but I don't see it. If GG demanded feminist themes removed from existing games, and people with progressive beliefs fired, I would oppose them all the same. For example I have a beef with the crowd who doesn't like female Thor. as it's not their prerogative to say what Marvel or Marvel authors can and can't do with Thor for once, and the reasoning behind the complaints was basically 100% retarded sexism. You shouldn't like female Thor because it's cheap exploitation, turning gender into a marketing gimmick and wholly anti-feminist.
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Totalizator posted:Identity politics for the most part, coupled with an authoritarian bent and demented babbling about cis scum. Basically they're the intellectual sewage pit of leftist thought but they do technically base on it. what is the identity? feminism? posting on a website? between this, neo puritanism, your perspectives on what constitutes censorship, etc. i'm starting to think that you might use terms incorrectly, because they fluff up your argument and make it appear more well considered than it really is
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Pleasant Friend posted:You shouldn't like female Thor because it's cheap exploitation, turning gender into a marketing gimmick and wholly anti-feminist.
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Al Cowens posted:Tokenism is the worst. Literally the worst. i think believing that feminists want to send you to hell and your refusal to do anything to defend yourself is worse.
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Literally The Worst posted:That's actually a thing GG wants though. GG mostly wants to be able to disagree with these critics without being dragged back and forth through mud and pig poo poo how disagreement = harassment. If they stopped doing that gamergate would die within a month but they can't seem to stop.
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Dogg you presented two tweets about harassment from a presumably much longer string of them in an attempt to disprove my assertion that GG is guilty of the same "censorship" they accuse the evil feminists of Excuse me for not falling all over myself to beg forgiveness for my wildly incorrect thoughts
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Totalizator posted:GG mostly wants to be able to disagree with these critics without being dragged back and forth through mud and pig poo poo how disagreement = harassment. If they stopped doing that gamergate would die within a month but they can't seem to stop. so gamergaters are in favor of free speech, and they also want people to not use their free speech against games or gamer opinions? and it's the SJWs fault for being harrassable? or for harrassing the harrassers? i'm really not sure what it is you're saying here except that somehow SJWs and tumblr are to blame for everything
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Jack Gladney posted:Are all of your engagements with the world soundly within the realm of pop culture children's entertainment? We have estabilished I care about things you find unworthy of caring about, you can gently caress off now. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Totalizator posted:GG mostly wants to be able to disagree with these critics without being dragged back and forth through mud and pig poo poo how disagreement = harassment. If they stopped doing that gamergate would die within a month but they can't seem to stop. No they actually want feminism out of games. That was a thing from fairly early on, along with the whole "objective reviews don't bring your politics into it" bullshit
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Totalizator posted:GG mostly wants to be able to disagree with these critics without being dragged back and forth through mud and pig poo poo how disagreement = harassment. If they stopped doing that gamergate would die within a month but they can't seem to stop. Your fault lies in not recognising why GGers would be dragged back and forth through mud.
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Totalizator posted:Identity politics for the most part, coupled with an authoritarian bent and demented babbling about cis scum. Basically they're the intellectual sewage pit of leftist thought but they do technically base on it. What does "demented babbling about cis scum" have to do with puritanism? Although I agree that taking political positions because of your identity as a gamer is dumb.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i think believing that feminists want to send you to hell and your refusal to do anything to defend yourself is worse.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:so gamergaters are in favor of free speech, and they also want people to not use their free speech against games or gamer opinions? The word you're missing here is "slander"
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Al Cowens posted:Ha ha a black person defending themself from a well-to-do white person this will certainly not be a recipe for disaster. so the feminists want to murder you because they are racists
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i'd like to remind u that there is still such a thing as actual government censorship
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Totalizator posted:The word you're missing here is "slander" i'm not sure how you can slander video games
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Totalizator posted:The word you're missing here is "slander" How is criticizing what people say or do slander
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